Why the world hates us?

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Centrism, as explained by people who don't understand centrism. Partisans usually never wrestle with the fact that the platform they offer has absolutely nothing of benefit to the general public and mostly stands to make things worse and then points the finger at everyone who didn't pick their side despite it being all stick, and no carrot. And self-styled revolutionaries usually have no idea they're actually carrying water for brutal authoritarian dicks. If you're not a fascist you're acting in support of one.

Centrism is not the easy side to pick, and it's not the one that will earn you any points. You don't do it because you stand to personally benefit, and it rarely earns you friends. But it's also the least complicated position: You do not get to control other people and dictate how they live their lives. Negotiations are painful but they tend to carry the best net gains for society. The progress you crave typically works best to the scale of generations. There is no quicker way to throw away the gains of the past two centuries than to burn it in the fires of a 'revolution' that will inevitably eat itself alive once it runs out of fuel.
You're speaking from an ideal version of centrism that rarely matches how it works in reality. You present it as a noble, thankless path walked only by principled thinkers who rise above tribalism. But that picture falls apart when you look at how centrism functions in practice and history. First, the idea that centrism is the "hard" or "unpopular" position sounds good, but it isn't true. It's easy in a different way. It's comfortable because it lets people avoid the risk of being wrong. It creates the illusion of neutrality without having to confront hard ethical choices. Saying "both sides are bad" sounds balanced, but it often masks either fear of conflict or a lack of conviction. As Nathan J. Robinson once put it, “Centrism is appealing because it requires no principles. All it requires is a willingness to position oneself exactly halfway between whatever the two loudest voices in the room are saying.” You said centrists believe you don't get to control how others live their lives. That sounds like a libertarian catchphrase, not a political principle. Politics is always about shaping society. Whether it's through taxes, laws, education, or healthcare, every policy choice affects how people live. Refusing to take a position is still a choice. And if you're not shaping the system, you're letting others shape it for you.

Historically, centrism has been more of an anchor than a compass. It’s not what pushes society forward. The civil rights movement, women/man’s suffrage, labor rights, and decolonization all came from people who were considered extreme in their time. Centrists usually joined the conversation late, once the moral cost of staying out became too obvious to ignore. They don’t lead progress. They follow it reluctantly. Martin Luther King Jr. saw this clearly. In his Letter from a Birmingham Jail, he wrote: “The white moderate, who is more devoted to 'order' than to justice, prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice.” He wasn’t warning about radicals. He was warning about centrists who delayed justice in the name of balance. You mentioned negotiation. Sure, compromise can be useful, but only when both sides are arguing in good faith and share a baseline of truth and human decency. When one side wants to strip rights or spread disinformation, meeting in the middle just means giving half of what should never be given at all. At that point, centrism turns into appeasement. Not wisdom, not balance, just delay at best, complicity at worst.

Umair Haque also once said, “Centrists never seem to grasp that by refusing to take sides in moral battles, they’re effectively taking the side of whoever holds the most power.” Neutrality becomes a shield for status quo violence. And about revolutions. You're right, they can go wrong. But revolutions don’t come out of nowhere. They're the result of prolonged injustice, often sustained by centrist inaction. You can't act shocked by the fire if you've spent years ignoring the smoke. Centrism may feel like the mature stance, but in many cases, it just serves to maintain the comfort of those who already benefit from the system. It avoids hard moral commitments, delays necessary change, and shelters itself in the false safety of being above the fray. But being above the fray doesn’t mean you're not involved. It just means you're letting others decide what comes next.
 

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Everyone tends to dramaticize their own pain, especially in an age of rampant narcissism, and use that to suggest that their struggles are either exceptional (no one has ever faced the sort of pain that me and my people now face) or must be overwhelmingly systemic (everyone comes together to create this series of circumstances that I must endure) while very few are willing to do any investigation beyond some basic observations to reinforce how they feel.

Men could gain some perspective on how they've dominated society and culture, bending any and every notion of how things work to support their domination as natural and essential, that might allow them to recognize how much of what they feel in losing even a fraction of that grip is rooted in indignancy - the notion that they shouldn't have to feel the way they've made other groups feel. By and large they don't want to, though, because they're still committed to the idea that their needs and visions for how things should work -should- be prioritized.

As a simple example on an issue that our porn site would recognize: men dressing up has historically been for the sake of impressing other men. They want to look cool in the eyes of their peers. The notion that they should even need to be attractive to women, that women should even get a say in what makes a man look good, was always muted and they took the forced silence for agreement. Needing to be attractive to the opposite sex was framed a feminine concern, a survival mechanism that entailed women catering to men's tastes with zero reciprocity. Since men are unused to the idea that they need to be fuckable, they get frustrated when women show themselves to have tastes that they find either incomprehensible or reprehensible:

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Rather than come to the obvious-but-uncomfortable conclusion that womens' tastes are not naturally aligned with what makes them feel good about themselves, men by and large act indignant. This indignancy leads them to think “this isn’t working; let’s just go back to owning women so we don’t have to take their opinions into account”.

Basically it's not so much that men have it exceptionally hard now; it's that they're struggling with any challenge to entrenched ideas about how things do or should work and dramaticize this to the point where they now believe society is against them without bothering to examine this notion to see if it holds up.

Simone de Beauvoir's The Other Sex is still one of the best works on deconstructing "that's just how it is" notions that men hold because, unlike the bulk of later feminist literature, she is exhaustive about taking it from every angle (biological, sociological, mythological, philosophical, psychological) to show how men have been self-justifying a mythology of domination that conceives of women only in terms of their practical value to men. It addresses all of the commonly cited excuses and exposes the contradictions (like shackling women to their female biology yet insisting that only a particular type of woman, the unchallenging rose with all her thorns clipped who's just so modest and kind and nurturing &c, is a 'real woman') to the point where a reader is forced to confront just how many myths they've unquestioningly swallowed on this subject.

Issues that stem from men not wanting to adjust to changing methods and ideas which don't necessarily elevate their voices or cater exclusively to their needs across the board shouldn't be conflated with issues that society as a whole is having, but that's what ends up happening.

Another practical example: on this site we've had many threads about how a number of our tags are really designed for straight men to avoid something they don't like rather than allow those who like that kink to find a game that caters to their tastes. People will conjure up rational-sounding arguments for doing things this way, present it as simply being thorough with labeling, but this is just one among many examples of constructing a worldview that centers the needs of one particular group while presenting the case to others that catering to your concerns over mine is objectively irrational.
Your comment tries to sound thoughtful, but it’s just dressed-up condescension. You’re dismissing everything as entitlement without actually engaging with the reasons behind it. Let’s start with your premise. Yes, men have historically held power in institutions. But you’re talking about the top 1%. The majority of men weren’t kings or lawmakers. They were coal miners, factory workers, soldiers sent to die in wars they didn’t start. This idea that "men dominated everything" flattens class, history, and reality into one lazy narrative. Used up, discarded, and invisible. That’s sacrifice, not domination. And it wasn’t done for the benefit of women either. It was done to sustain the same elite structures that oppressed everyone.

Misandry today is not a made-up reaction. It’s visible in data and culture. Men account for three to four times more suicide rates than women. Homelessness are heavily male. Courtroom bias in custody battles are overwhelmingly in favor of mothers, even when fathers are equally capable. Media portrayal of male vulnerability is mocked. That’s NOT equality! That’s selective empathy FFS. You brought up Simone de Beauvoir. Her work is valuable. But she was writing in 1949, in a time and place where women were legally and socially restricted. You’re using her framework in a completely different world. Try applying that same critique to the current state of boys in education. They are falling behind across the globe. Boys are more likely to drop out, be diagnosed with learning disorders, and less likely to attend college. Where’s your philosophical deconstruction of that? You also claim that men are just “indignant” about having to change. NO! What men are doing is finally speaking about things that were never allowed before. Like being alienated from their children after divorce, being laughed at when they cry, realizing no one will show up for them if they kill themselves. Is that indignance? Or is that finally telling the truth? You reference things like porn tags or men not being attractive to women. That’s your strongest example? Go talk to the growing number of young men who are depressed, socially isolated, and completely lost because no one ever taught them that their worth was more than their paycheck or their performance. Women were told "you are enough" for decades. Men were told "earn it or die trying." You said men are upset that they’re no longer prioritized. NO! They’re upset that they were never prioritized at all, and now that they’re expressing pain, they’re being told to shut up because “you had your turn.” That is not justice, but revenge. You talk like feminists dismantled a system and are now guarding the ruins. But what you’re really doing is justifying a new system of silence. One that erases male suffering because it doesn’t fit the old script. You don’t fight oppression by picking a new group to step on.

Warren Farrell, who once sat on the board of the National Organization for Women, warned about this in the 70s. He said feminism would become blind if it stopped listening to male voices. He was right. Look around now. Boys are falling behind. Men are dying in silence. And when they speak up, they get hit with essays telling them it’s all their fault. This isn’t about wanting to control women again. That’s a strawman. The real question is why empathy is treated like it only belongs to one side. You either believe in equality for everyone, or you believe in power games. And you’ve clearly picked the latter.
 
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What men are doing is finally speaking about things that were never allowed before. Like being alienated from their children after divorce, being laughed at when they cry, realizing no one will show up for them if they kill themselves.
I can finally come out of the closet and express my true self! Glory hallelujah!
 

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I can finally come out of the closet and express my true self! Glory hallelujah!
Exactly this kind of reaction is the reason men kept their pain hidden for so long. Any time they express something raw or real, it’s turned into a punchline. Mocking emotional honesty with campy sarcasm doesn't make you clever. It just proves the culture still sees male suffering as entertainment. It’s easy to pretend you're above it all until someone you know breaks down, or worse, disappears quietly. Then suddenly it's not funny anymore.
 

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Exactly this kind of reaction is the reason men kept their pain hidden for so long. Any time they express something raw or real, it’s turned into a punchline. Mocking emotional honesty with campy sarcasm doesn't make you clever. It just proves the culture still sees male suffering as entertainment. It’s easy to pretend you're above it all until someone you know breaks down, or worse, disappears quietly. Then suddenly it's not funny anymore.
Or you could just express emotion without caring what others think. Novel idea?
 

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You said centrists believe you don't get to control how others live their lives. That sounds like a libertarian catchphrase, not a political principle.
It's actually an incredibly old political principal put forth by Emanual Kant. Humans are not ends, nor means to something else. Failing this elementary philosophical threshold puts you squarely in the realm of 'authoritarian.' If you can't respect human autonomy, you are some degree of authoritarian.

As Nathan J. Robinson once put it, “Centrism is appealing because it requires no principles. All it requires is a willingness to position oneself exactly halfway between whatever the two loudest voices in the room are saying.
Go ahead and try to get two partisan groups at the table and get them to agree on anything.

Then come back and tell me how 'easy' that was.

They follow it reluctantly. Martin Luther King Jr. saw this clearly. In his Letter from a Birmingham Jail, he wrote: “The white moderate, who is more devoted to 'order' than to justice, prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice.
MLK was actually the reasonable centrist relative to two radical sides, but OK. His positions were completely reasonable, and down the middle. He emphasized peaceful resistance. Absolutely wild to frame him as a radical in an environment where actual radicals were shacking up with the USSR and becoming terrorist organizations.

And self indulgent liberals who supported him up to the point it might cost themselves something were decidedly not 'centrists.' Once again, centrism as explained by someone who doesn't understand centrism. MLK's position didn't earn him friends. He wasn't radical enough for his own side of the fence, and he was too radical for the conservatives who want nothing to change.

It avoids hard moral commitments, delays necessary change, and shelters itself in the false safety of being above the fray. But being above the fray doesn’t mean you're not involved. It just means you're letting others decide what comes next.
Centrism understands that when either side of two radical factions get what they want, it's usually a net drag on society. It's either cultural stagnation or complete chaos. You are not obligated to carry water for one group of radicals just because the other side is repugnant. They can both be repugnant. Societal change performed from the barrel of a gun is usually not effective and it's usually guaranteeing that the problem will not go away for generations.

Which is why most radicals fail. They can't accept that what they fight for wont be realized in their life time and instead of playing the long game- which historically usually works- they demand immediate satisfaction. Which understandably makes people treat them with suspicion; you don't know if these people care about their cause or are just out to enrich themselves. Because radicals tend to treat loyalty as their chief capital and competence gets treated with suspicion.
 

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Oh fuck it! God is God! I put no stock in organized religion, when one awakens to the sunrise and sees the morning dew there is God! when one hears the joyous laughter of a child too young to know how to fake it, there is God! when one looks up to the vastness of the stary night's sky, there is God!
God is inside us, and all around us, pretty freaking simple way at looking at it isn't it

thats basically spirituality, which unfortunately is too new age/hippie for the organized religious zealots
 

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Observantly both gender for males and females are unique however they differ from each other. human etiquette and personality are based on how a person acts or feels towards the people around them. but you have to look at the comparisons of both genders and think for moment how the genders have their own difficulties. males can not give birth whereas females have the ability to give birth. thus so, women have it tough because they have to deal with pregnancy whereas men do not need to worry about that aspect though. both males and females are capable of having hardships and capable of getting jobs but to have a stable job for male or female can be difficult for both of the genders. males and females can face depression this would be another difficult that relates to both genders. even though there are differences amongst both genders there are some situations where there are similarities amongst them. people have the ability to change but that depends on situation and how they feel, change can be hard for some people to accept but the result can be promising
 
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Observantly both gender for males and females are unique however they differ from each other. human etiquette and personality are based on how a person acts or feels towards the people around them. but you have to look at the comparisons of both genders and think for moment how the genders have their own difficulties. males can not give birth whereas females have the ability to give birth. thus so, women have it tough because they have to deal with pregnancy whereas men do not need to worry about that aspect though. both males and females are capable of having hardships and capable of getting jobs but to have a stable job for male or female can be difficult for both of the genders. males and females can face depression this would be another difficult that relates to both genders. even though there are differences amongst both genders there are some situations where there are similarities amongst them. people have the ability to change but that depends on situation and how they feel, change can be hard for some people to accept but the result can be promising
I can honestly say that I do not even want to imagine what it is like to push out an object the size of a watermelon from an orifice the size of a lemon
 

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I can honestly say that I do not even want to imagine what it is like to push out an object the size of a watermelon from an orifice the size of a lemon
yes and that can be difficult to go through especially for women, men however do not need to worry about that