Windows 10
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Performance wise w10 beats w7 any day of the week thowindows 10 is shit... better to stay at win7 or buy an win7 disk and install it
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If you have new and decent or above hardware you are right simply because it uses technology that isn't available for W7 or older, but the problem is not the performance but the stability, compatibility and all the useless services collecting information that you don't need ...Performance wise w10 beats w7 any day of the week tho
In the end if M$ haven't decided to kill W8 and older on purpose and force W10 down our throats very few people would have been using W10 right now, and currently very few people who know what they are talking about would recomend W10 for anything other than a hi-powered gaming station for people aiming at the latest games and having the means to afford it simply because the old OS's have limitations that MS placed in them in order to force people to move allay from them ...
Windows 10 is a bitch, Microshaft tried to make me upgrade without me accepting, they were trying to download Windows 10 into my computer without my knowledge at one point with the updates, not to mention they kept bugging me to upgrade before the release with that annoying pop-up that also came with updates.
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Not true. Completely not true. Overall w10 will provide better performance using the same hardware compared to w7. Older or newer.
Stability? Are we talking about the same windows 7? Windows 7 was the epedemy of stability with it's updates. I remember one that knocked all the computer back where I was studying down because one of windows processes would take up the whole ram.
Comptibility is still a problem I must admit but not a huge one. More and more support comes from companies to make their hardware compatible.
The services you mentioned can be disabled...
W8 was a huge mistake. Plain and simple.
Needs a huge reference for this one. Why wouldnt they recommend 10?
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Give me you're definition of old hardware. BTW have you actually tried running W10 on a single core CPU with 2GB RAM or older? How about on before the i3 era?
That was the Windows Update service after MS have "tweaked" it in order to "encourage" legacy users to update to W8/10 ...
Most hardware company's are simply retiring the older than 3-5 years hardware (unless it's high end or business class) instead of updating the drivers, but the real problem is actually the software vendors that are not willing to update there software or even worst - decide to write a "new & better" version that have about half the functionality and is full of problems instead. And don't get me started on the ones that just update to the modern UI themes...
Actually they did all they can to prevent you from disabling them - even started using some of the same techniques used by trojans and ransom-ware authors in order to make it virtually impossible to stop them... Also they are now re-enabling them with every major OS update.
No question about it but that is not the point I was trying to make. They decided the wee need to start using W10 and did everything they could to force us to update from W8 and older to it.
Because of the reasons I mentioned above, the privacy/security concerns, the problems with the video and other drivers where if you have the auto updating of drivers enabled you get years old incompatible drivers installed over the latest certified drivers from the vendor you just installed...
If you know what you are doing and have to deal with 1-50 PC's it isn't a problem to reinstall one of them every few months if needed but if you have thousands or a hundred and some of them are located thousands or even hundreds of kilometers away (regional or multinational offices) the situation is totally different, now add legacy software that is 5 or more years old (how about 20y old software with no support available that is barely working on W7 with XP compatibility mode), then add different hardware and peripheral devices and what not. Then just imagine what happens when one update without an option to be easily removed from all the W10 systems breaks something critical and the boss is asking every 5 min when will it be fixed...
P.S. Don't understand me wrong - I'm not saying that W10 is worst than W8, I'm saying that it is still too immature to be used in large scale environments (somewhere around the level of W7 when it was first released but with big design problems MS still have to address) and that it still have too much problems that need to be fixed before people who have to deal with that will start recommending it, now imagine what will a normal user who don't understand a thing do about it once it breaks a few times? Exclude the ones that only use the PC as a typewriter, messenger, media or social interaction platform - they can do that even on an decent phone or tablet nowadays.
P.P.S. We are going way off topic here - if you want to continue the discussion I suggest we move to a New Conversation or a new topic.
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Yes and no. Nothing less than 2gb of ram but way older than the i3 era.
Windows 8 wasnt even a thing when that update came out.
This is true and it's also extremely smart. Business wise to keep updating such old hardware is a waste. Just like updating windows xp
Be more specific because everything I have disabled never got enabled again. Was it hard? Some were some were quite easy.
Older by 1 version...
Privacy wise you have 0 concerns if you know what you're doing. Security wise you're better than w7. Driver problem is a problem but that can be fixed by you.
Windows 10 provided to companies doesnt have the automatic updates. As a matter of fact the one I'm using doesnt have it either.
A normal user will not have this kinds of problems. If they do they can revert to w7 in the first few weeks. That's the simle answer they get. Am I saying it's perfect? No. Am I saying it's better performance wise? Yes. Am I saying you should update to it? No.
Someone that actually uses P.P.S
That's a rarity these days. Most idiots write ps2 or just ps again... Did this by moving our comments that weren't any good to the thread
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You're definition of old hardware please.
Can you remember the update KB number or anything else about it? I don't remember such an update pre-W8 but it's not impossible.
So according to you for hardware 3 years is to old and you are comparing it to WinXP with its ~15 years (since 24 August 2001) life cycle so far and with extended support for the last of it's versions expected to end on 9 April 2019 as announced by MS...
For example most of the Privacy settings after updating from version 1511 to version 1607 are reset to default values.
As in anything in the range from WinXP to Win8.1. (a.k.a. anything older than Win10 and still supported by MS)
So you don't mind MS having a copy of every word you typed on you're W10 PC for example (including all you're usernames and passwords) or it sharing you're WIFI pass? Here is a quote from Mr. Korst's (General Manager of Windows and Devices) interview: "Installed with Express Settings, Windows 10 can track and share the websites you visit, the searches you make, your purchases, calendar details, location, contacts and the voice commands you use with virtual assistant, Cortana." Note he doesn't mention the keyboard or camera data collection, but later on he mentions "while information collected that Cortana may use, or that an auto-complete may use"
If MS can't fix the driver issue for more than 1 year (I believe it was present in W8 but not sure) how do you suggest we fix it? Other than disabling the feature or constantly using the tool for blacklisting different driver updates.
Wrong even the Enterprise version have it, they can only delay some of the updates but can't prevent the silent updates that are installed on all versions. Here is a quote from Windows 10 licensing agreement: "The software periodically checks for system and app updates, and downloads and installs them for you. You may obtain updates only from Microsoft or authorized sources, and Microsoft may need to update your system to provide you with those updates. By accepting this agreement, you agree to receive these types of automatic updates without any additional notice."
They can only if they know it's an option and how to do it. Also as previously mentioned it is better performance wise only because MS won't make certain technologies available for older OS versions. USB3 is one very good example when comparing W7 to W8.1+
Well guess my age is starting to show - I still remember the time when MS openly claimed we will never need more than 640KB of memory ...Someone that actually uses P.P.S
P.S. Anyone else here know what this is:
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You're going to get pissed but: depends on the subject
No clue. I just remember being a nub at computers and being scared shitless thinking I lost my porn.
Hardware gets updated way faster than windows does so it's safe to assume that it will the support faster than windows. And no not 3 years. I'm using this computer I bought in 2011 >.>.
I cant honestly remember changing my privacy settings since the first time I chose them and messed around with some stuff (not going into detail as It would go on and on and on basicly like this text I'm writting but worse), but I'll take your word that it did reset.
Meh, dont have a response.
For some features to work you need some parts to be used. I dont use such features as they arent the ones that make the OS faster. Easily disabled all of these.
I also must agree that I wont have any pirated items on my computer doesnt mean it's happening.
They bloody teach you where to go on how to revert.
I still consider myself quite young and I know pps. Also to the second question: *raises hand slowly*
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Well that's so but in my opinion retiring a product on the fifth year since it's appearance on the market just to replace it with a "newer" model that's crap when you sell it with 5Y warranty is ******* ...You're going to get pissed but: depends on the subject
True but it's life should also be determined by class and user-base. What is the point in retiring a widely used product if you don't have to - other than commercial gain?
The problem here is that when you disable them W10 usually is just not sending the info but is still collecting it for the time when they'll have a chance to send it home ...
Yes but with this they make you agree to let them install updates without even telling you they are doing it let alone check if you'll let them to do it ...
Where? I haven't seen it mentioned by MS - other than the KB article that's hard to find unless you know it's there.
The important part is that you use it, not that you know about it.
But have you seen one IRL?
P.S. Mine is still operational ")
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I'm late to the conversation.
Running Win10 on a Q8300, E5500 and a shitty Atom netbook with 1GB of ram. They all run better with win10 than it did with previous OS. The Q8300 haven't been formated since I bought with Vista years ago and did the entire upgrade path(vista->7->8->10) without a single reformat and is faster now(SSD upgrade) that it was when I bought it.
Running Win10 on a Q8300, E5500 and a shitty Atom netbook with 1GB of ram. They all run better with win10 than it did with previous OS. The Q8300 haven't been formated since I bought with Vista years ago and did the entire upgrade path(vista->7->8->10) without a single reformat and is faster now(SSD upgrade) that it was when I bought it.
Survey show that quite a lot large scale environments are upgrading:
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