Wondering why so many "Female Protagonist" games are being made

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As someone who is developing a female protagonist game at the moment (wasn't going to be a female lead to start with) I've found there is a bit more verity with female leads, not saying all but most male leads is a case of well I have a dick and ain't afraid to use it, and through some kind of manipulation he scores with everything, but when I played a few female lead games I found there is always let's corrupt her coz she's only a girl and she wants the dick let's break her so she give in... My point is if you look hard enough you'll find similar themselves in most of the games in here, but to say there's too much of one, and not the other.... I have to disagree, and as I'm fairly new to this I think the best advice I can give you ,is that do what I did... If you feel a niche isn't being represented make it yourself as unfortunately as in life this conversation will probably be forgotten about come the end of the month....
 

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It's because a lot of players are very selfish. All they want to do is 'take, take, take', while the rest of us, the minority, are in fact very generous and wish only to give...

Coincidentally, the same can be said about NTR lovers.
 

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I just wondering why so many guys whining and crying female protagonist games? Are you hating women so much? What is wrong with you guys? I even read somewhere that some guys can't play Horizon Zero Dawn or Tomb Raider just because Female character. That just so sad.
It is because they are fucking roleplayers. They can't jerk off unless they imagine themselves some sort of hero
 

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It is because they are fucking roleplayers. They can't jerk off unless they imagine themselves some sort of hero
Wait... when did women become incapable of being heroes? Damn did none of you watch Mulan as a kid? Legend of Korra? Alien franchise? Teminator 2? Underworld? Resident Evil? (I'm aware the quality of film went down, that's not the point).

Growing up I was just as big a fan of Sarah Michelle Geller's Buffy and Jessica Alba's Dark Angel as I was of characters like David Borneas' Angel. I really think there's a problem in a person who absolutely can't empathise with a female character. And moreover, while I recognize the issue many of you have in porn, of not wnating to "get fucked" it really isn't a valid argument as 99% of female protag games show all the sex in 3rd person. I don't imagine myself as Tabitha getting railed by the demon Caleb in Coceter Chronicles I imagine myself as Caleb. That's all it takes. Seriously a lot of you need to grow up. Girls don't have cooties, and they're just as capable of being badass as you and I.
 
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... And moreover, while I recognize the issue many of you have in porn, of not wnating to "get fucked" it really isn't a valid argument as 99% of female protag games show all the sex in 3rd person. I don't imagine myself as Tabitha getting railed by the demon Caleb in Coceter Chronicles I imagine myself as Caleb...
Thats is sadly too true. Can you Sir be so kind as to point me to the 1% of female protagonist games that show the sex in her pov? I only got "California Bound" game, and that got some angry comments. In Coceter, theres camera angles that say POV, i clicked it and only got the male person pov and not Tabitha! Broke immersion. As you can see im in the minority here that actually wants to be inside that girl from her pov. But most female protagonist games (if not all) are made by men for men. Hence they avoid first person female and show the sex as 3rd person. So the player doesnt feel he is gay or something creepy. Of course, my point isnt valid for text games, as the point of view cant be broken by images.
 
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Thats is sadly too true. Can you Sir be so kind as to point me to the 1% of female protagonist games that show the sex in her pov? I only got "California Bound" game, and that got some angry comments. In Coceter, theres camera angles that say POV, i clicked it and only got the male person pov and not Tabitha! Broke immersion. As you can see im in the minority here that actually wants to be inside that girl from her pov. But most female protagonist games (if not all) are made by men for men. Hence they avoid first person female and show the sex as 3rd person. So the player doesnt feel he is gay or something creepy. Of course, my point isnt valid for text games, as the point of view cant be broken by images.
Honestly, I didn't even remember it in California Bound. And you're right, unless it's coceter I can't think of another one. I made room for 1% so that someone could come along and point out the games like them that do, but I doubt it's actually that big a number. There may also be some in the hentai games, but as so many of them are lazy with their art, allowing one static image to remain on the screen as I read wall after wall of text, I find that most japanese games don't work for me. (if anyone has some suggestions, games that have amazing art in that respect feel free to share, I'm not opposed to anime art, in fact I am probably classified as a weeb, I'm just picky)

In conclusion, aside from futa sex, which I'm fairly certain is the way to get pov scenes in Coceter, btw, or really good dramatic stories like California Bound, I don't know that anyone really treats the female protagonist with POV perspective. I wouldn't be completely opposed to it if they did, however, I do have to admit, I'm opposed to first person in Male MC as well. I think POV actually limits the frames an artist can get away with, and hate, more than anything, when I am dealing with a faceless, silent protagonist. I get that the idea is to immerse me in the character, but do that the right way, Mass Effect (in fact, Bioware from Kotor on up to ME:A even if Andromeda has issues), Fallout, Elder Scrolls, Games like Life Is Strange, Coceter Chronicles (if you need an adult example) all have what are known as Player Avatars. The character responds to your input, your decisions shape them and the world around you. It is far more immersive to imagine myself as a Cool Hero reacting to the world around me as I would react and seeing that world shape as it would around those decisions than it will ever be to put me in a POV game on rails system where I have no effect on the story, but don't worry its totally me.
 

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It's all trends, I remember when the Ren'Py engine was created and the fad went from RAGS to QSP. then Incest came along because Patreon didn't want it because humans are rebellious.
 

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That is true, but then, where are the games that pander to them? Or female game creators preferably. Saying that, i recall that "Good Girl Gone Bad" is my favorite game, and its creator Eva Kiss might be a woman but i have no way of corroborating that.
Hentami, voice actress and developer. Currently has a game out called Casting Couch... I wanna say... not sure. Also working on a fantasy game with a really compelling opening. I can't say much, because I don't know what she's planning, but I really enjoyed the part she showed me after asking for some advice. That said, I think both have a male MC.
 

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Wait... when did women become incapable of being heroes? Damn did none of you watch Mulan as a kid? Legend of Korra? Alien franchise? Teminator 2? Underworld? Resident Evil? (I'm aware the quality of film went down, that's not the point).

Growing up I was just as big a fan of Sarah Michelle Geller's Buffy and Jessica Alba's Dark Angel as I was of characters like David Borneas' Angel. I really think there's a problem in a person who absolutely can't empathise with a female character. And moreover, while I recognize the issue many of you have in porn, of not wnating to "get fucked" it really isn't a valid argument as 99% of female protag games show all the sex in 3rd person. I don't imagine myself as Tabitha getting railed by the demon Caleb in Coceter Chronicles I imagine myself as Caleb. That's all it takes. Seriously a lot of you need to grow up. Girls don't have cooties, and they're just as capable of being badass as you and I.
When I quote someone it means I am talking to him in particular. I am answering a person asking why there are people complaining about female perspective game. I am telling him that these complainers are lesser people who for some absurd reason need to live out none porn related fantasies through the main character. When I wrote it I was well aware the word hero was not the necessarily the right word to get my meaning across, but my vocabulary is somewhat limited, and my thought process not entirely perfect.

I was trying to say that for some it is not enough to watch sexual encounters, they also need to be able to identify with a particular character in the shot, that particular character being the main one, because they have some sort of hero fetish or something

When you and I watch demon girl get rammed in that classic sidescroller, we see demon girl get rammed. But when these people watch demon girl get rammed, they imagine themselves being rammed, and are uncomfortable.

Buffy is the greatest show ever made. Dark Angel is one of the worst. Korra is okay but no last airbender. I have never seen Mulan. Alien is great, except the fourth. Terminator is terrible, why did they not give salvation a chance? Underworld is terrible.
 

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When I quote someone it means I am talking to him in particular. I am answering a person asking why there are people complaining about female perspective game. I am telling him that these complainers are lesser people who for some absurd reason need to live out none porn related fantasies through the main character. When I wrote it I was well aware the word hero was not the necessarily the right word to get my meaning across, but my vocabulary is somewhat limited, and my thought process not entirely perfect.

I was trying to say that for some it is not enough to watch sexual encounters, they also need to be able to identify with a particular character in the shot, that particular character being the main one, because they have some sort of hero fetish or something

When you and I watch demon girl get rammed in that classic sidescroller, we see demon girl get rammed. But when these people watch demon girl get rammed, they imagine themselves being rammed, and are uncomfortable.

Buffy is the greatest show ever made. Dark Angel is one of the worst. Korra is okay but no last airbender. I have never seen Mulan. Alien is great, except the fourth. Terminator is terrible, why did they not give salvation a chance? Underworld is terrible.
Yeah, I see what you meant, and when I asked the question, though I quoted you, I more meant it as an open question to the thread in general. That's why I went on to talk about people who can't empathise with a female character. You simply brought up a problem that I know does exist in our culture. There aren't many good empathetic female role models, and even some of the ones I mentioned, Ripley, Alice, Sarah Connor, don't get the opportunity to show empathy in their stories, with their enemies being truly monsters, incapable of being saved. Many of the other characters are given the chance to offer redemption to certain characters, Buffy, even, to Spike, one character who had been a villain from the start and had tried to kill her too many times to count. It's a tragedy you haven't seen Mulan, though the movie isn't about her showing empathy to her enemy, it does a great job of showing her personal devotion to love and family, and it's possibly my favorite Disney movie, though with Moana being more recent and Shiny I do have a possible need to re-watch both to decide which one ends up on top.
 

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Buffy is the greatest show ever made. Dark Angel is one of the worst. Korra is okay but no last airbender. I have never seen Mulan. Alien is great, except the fourth. Terminator is terrible, why did they not give salvation a chance? Underworld is terrible.
The greatest show ever made is Westworld. Which incidentally happens to have the females as the heroes, villains and anti-heroes. Terminator Sarah Connors Chronicles was the best rendition of Terminator in my opinion. Respect for Buffy for being fun show, but doesnt go deep to make it past a one time view. I prefer stories that make me think a long time afterwards and even influence my way of looking at life after.

And dont forget Wonder Woman is the best DC Universe movie so far. Unfortunately that movie was ruined at the end with a predictable and cheesy boring Boss fight. On Marvel, Jessica Jones on Netflix is the best of the Marvel heroes in their lineup. Daredevil is ok, but he didnt get to be good until they got him Elektra.

Go Women!
 
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The greatest show ever made is Westworld. Which incidentally happens to have the females as the heroes, villains and anti-heroes. Terminator Sarah Connors Chronicles was the best rendition of Terminator in my opinion. Respect for Buffy for being fun show, but doesnt go deep to make it past a one time view. I prefer stories that make me think a long time afterwards and even influence my way of looking at life after.

And dont forget Wonder Woman is the best DC Universe movie so far. Unfortunately that movie was ruined at the end with a predictable and cheesy boring Boss fight.
Ever hear of Nando V Movies? He did two shows on his channel about WW's ending and I really prefer his idea.
 
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Ever hear of Nando V Movies? He did two shows on his channel about WW's ending and I really prefer his idea.
Just went and watched it, and yea, that be more satisfying. And not just because Ares could be played by Jaime Lannister, my favorite Game of Thrones character.

I guess movies, tv and porn games share one thing: superficial stories to make the money and not risk doing something deeper. In movies and tv is the mindless action sequences for the boys, and the cheesy romance for the girls. While most porn games are just a mindless sexfest.
 
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On the POV thing...

Guys who play these games want to look at boobies and ass. Gals probably want the same thing...

So if you are doing POV shots from a female MC's point of view, the only way you'll get a good view of her assets is if she can see herself in a mirror or something. Doing that constantly seems contrived, so at that point you might as well not bother with POV...

Guys aren't as interested in constantly seeing what the male MC looks like. Hence, POV view for Male characters works better. They can see themselves in a mirror once or twice, mainly you just want to see the MC's hands on her boobies and ass, and your penis in her mouth or pussy anyways. And, if the game designer consciously chooses to not ever show the MC's face, and keeps the 'full body shots' to a minimum, then this allows the male player to imagine himself as the character in the game, as opposed to the character that is already there.

Personally, I play these games to look at the girl parts, not the boy parts...
 
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On the POV thing...

Guys who play these games want to look at boobies and ass. Gals probably want the same thing...

So if you are doing POV shots from a female MC's point of view, the only way you'll get a good view of her assets is if she can see herself in a mirror or something. Doing that constantly seems contrived, so at that point you might as well not bother with POV...

Guys aren't as interested in constantly seeing what the male MC looks like. Hence, POV view for Male characters works better. They can see themselves in a mirror once or twice, mainly you just want to see the MC's hands on her boobies and ass, and your penis in her mouth or pussy anyways. And, if the game designer consciously chooses to not ever show the MC's face, and keeps the 'full body shots' to a minimum, then this allows the male player to imagine himself as the character in the game, as opposed to the character that is already there.

Personally, I play these games to look at the girl parts, not the boy parts...
Thats is true for most the player base and a third person view is a fine neutral compromise. Its the standard in porn industry too. However, if the game really wants to immerse yourself in the female point of view, a few pov shots here and there from her eyes be good for it. Theres now some VR female pov videos where you can look from the female eyes and yet see most of her assets. Some other movies employ mirrors and selfies recording while at it too.

But im betting im on a very rare minority here that will actually like to see the female pov. It adds to the immersion if you want to be inside the female as you play her. I find it weird that if you are playing as a female, the pov shots are from the male eyes. Thats why i mentioned before that i suspect these female games are really meant for men that want to look and control a female instead of actually role playing as her.
 
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Honestly why does this matter, we're gonna just jerk off anyway. If you have a preference for male protag good for you, but the reason why I like female protag is that it's usually deals in corruption, better hardcore sex and lesbian sex. Even then it's much more of a preference of art and the artist rather than the sex. Not to mention the market chooses the type of games that are made unless the dev goes on a different route.

Face it, if female protags are as popular as you say they're, it's because they either drive more interest in the public or is a lot more marketable than male protags. In the end of the day it's a choice of artistic expression vs montary gain and this is porn/hentai whatever you want to call it, porn's artistic expression isn't that expressive or imaginative. This situation is basically why feminist don't understand drawing power and public interest, there isn't some hierarchy dictating you/the devs choices, just the market.
 

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You can even bring my point into different sexual preference as well, gay, trap or shemale porn games/hentai games even combined are vastly out numbered by the "straight" genre because the market is dominated by straight people. If you're getting bored by not getting a diversity of male protag porn think about those who fap to those sexual preferences i just mentioned.
 

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Here's what i find strange just with myself...

Playing AAA games such as Mass Effect, Fallout 4 etc.. i play with a female protagonist, it just feels right to me.
When playing a erotic VN game i want to play with a male protagonist.
 

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Because people are getting bored of the same games being released with the same 0.1 versions that follow the same premises and use the same models.

Female protag games (Warrior Astrid/Wife and Mother) are a breath of fresh air.