Would you find it guilty to corrupt an innocent girl or rather find it a challenge?

[JasNom]

I don't understand the whole consensual thing when talking about a fantasy and that's what these games are. Having a rape fantasy in one of those games or with your girl friend where both parties in the worst case probably feel a bit bad or dirty afterwards probably deciding that the kick wasn't worth the depression they felt is nothing compared to what rape really is. You can pity a rape victim but if you haven't experienced it yourself for real, then you don't know what you're sharing. To me this feels cheap and disrespectful.

To me most of these discussion feel so stupid, especially with people that obviously have to play any content that are famous for it's content and than complain about the fetishes inside, no matter if it's rape, incest, ntr, scat, you name it. I wonder why those people don't try one of the majority of Patreon conform games instead of asking if they can play something like Milfy City (a revenge game... without having a revenge????).

And for me Princess trainer is one of the best corruption games there is, because when you finish it you will get a very sad ending where the Djinn is realizing what he did (and so did I) before he sadly leaves the city.

 

[Sheik100]

Corruption doesnt mean rape. If this is a fantasy rape discussion thread I must have missed that part.

It really sounds like you guys are feeling guilty because of x/y/z and not the corruption. Isnt the corruption a genre that just means she had no sexual experience and now she does? Like taking a girl thats only comfortable holding hands and you naturally bring her to kissing and then 2nd or 3rd base then congrats you corrupted her.

Its starting to sound like corruption has a bad reputation or what? I guess I probably havent seen the worst games so maybe my viewpoint is still a little innocent in comparison.

Editted to be less verbose, Four Elements Trainer love routes and Together again are two that have consensual corruption. Consensual as in helpful for the females, love/ romance or they enjoy the process of being corrupted.

 

[Malcolm75k]

I'm not sure where to begin on this topic, so I'm just going to start.

I think there are 3 main factors to any game like this that determine whether or not its enjoyable.

1) Why its done.

Take for example your basic cheating/NTR situation. Stable if boring married couple and some other man out to enjoy the wife. Now it can be looked at as "This guy is here to enjoy himself with the wife at the expense of their marriage and will eventually step back and watch said marriage implode, taking a FWB out of it maybe."
It can also be looked at as "This guy has found a good looking woman in a soul-crushing, boring marriage and wants to have some fun while giving her an outlet to explore and experience things she never would have had she not strayed.

The first has either disinterest in or malicious intentions for the target of their desires.
The second, while not moral, actually has something in mind that is more than just taking and abusing.

Witch Trainer has an MC that is somewhat amoral and detached from the world. He has no interest in Hermione beyond getting to do naughty things with her and scrambles her mind, reputation and eggs in the process.

There was another trainer out there, forget the name, where the MC takes in an abused ex-slave. He works on her, like training, to open up both emotionally and sexually and not be afraid of intimacy. Granted, she wasn't innocent, but I think it is a decent example of "corrupting" someone for their benefit.

I would think that the more predatory the story it is, the more it would engender those guilty feelings.


2) How its done.

I think one of the things that this genre depends on is that aspect of corruption that entails getting the target to do something outside of their comfort zone and eventually enjoying it.

The heroine could have lost a bet to the MC, and is obligated to have sex with him repeatedly. While her doing so in a perfunctory manner allows the MC to have fun, that is not where the thrill comes in. The thrill is that moment where, when he is kissing her during it, she gets excited enough to kiss back.

That moment when the target is either forced or drawn out beyond what they would usually do and willingly does it and enjoys it is the moment of interest.

Aesthetically, having the process done realistically and slowly "boiling the frog" is preferable to some unrealistic hack of a hypno-app or having such a wonderful penis that she goes full slut after the first interaction, but that isn't the core of the issue really.

Looked at from the perspective of the author, any innocent girl, married woman, or anyone with intimacy issues all have the same problem: How do you start them on this path?

The one extreme is the tactic of forcing them repeatedly until they get used to and and resign themselves to their fate, which in and of itself is somewhat unrealistic (see Illusion games for example).

The other extreme would be where the MC leverages an existing relationship and emotional bond to talk his partner into slowly getting more and more experimental and extreme.

In between is a whole spectrum of bets, lying, cajoling, imaginary aphrodisiacs, hypnosis (techniques and applications) and blackmail.

I would think the more the storyline is to the forcible side of the spectrum, the more it would raise those guilty feeling.


3) To what degree its taken.

What is left behind after the action is done? What is the end result for the heroine?

Cute, innocent girl with a super-slut secret identity?

Openly sexually predatory person?

Wife addicted to cheating, but had adapted to concealing it well?

Ex-wife addicted to cheating who has developed a sadistic streak and posts videos of her adventures to her broken ex?

Sex-addled nymphomaniac whose mind broke ages ago and is now posting adds for transvestite Great Danes to have adventures with?

The more stable and sane a character that is left behind, the less debased the heroine is, the better she has been served by the experience, the less the guilty feelings.


There is almost always some form of wickedness involved in these types of stores and games, but it has a broad spectrum and people will feel "off" at different points, according to their tastes.

Its like lying. There are degrees.

There are white lies: "Your skirt is fine. No one can see you're not wearing panties."
Lies: "Its just a kiss."
and damn lies: "I've had a vasectomy."

 

[desmosome]

Maybe I'm the odd one out, but I don't consider wholesome shit to be corruption. I guess different opinions can arise if you take a very broad stance with it, basically considering all forms of sexual exploration to be "corruption."

There are two forms of corruption to me. One is the moral/ethical corruption. Moral degeneration. This means the character, through whatever means, becomes evil. The other form of corruption is more sexual in nature, but it is framed in a dark way. Generally, you find this type in a game with a character asserting his influence on females to turn them into sluts for his own benefit.

To be honest, that is how the tag is used in most places, including this one I think. Corruption should be a dark tag, like NTR, blackmail, humiliation, etc. Maybe I just have tunnel vision though. Please let me know if there are a lot of games with the corruption tag that is about wholesome sexual awakening or something.

 

[Sheik100]

You might be right thats how its used on western released games. I play more Japanese games and they usually use it as an event check option and a stat that grows through sexual growth. I dont think Ive played many of the games tagged corruption sorry if I misunderstood the topic.

 

[desmosome]

You might be right thats how its used on western released games. I play more Japanese games and they usually use it as an event check option and a stat that grows through sexual growth. I dont think Ive played many of the games tagged corruption sorry if I misunderstood the topic.

No need to be sorry for participating in a discussion. There might be some differences in the corruption tag and a corruption stat used in the game. I don't think it's too different though. I've played many japanese female protagonist corruption games too. In most of them, the corruption stat goes up because she got... groped, raped, etc. After being molested so many times, she is willing to prostitute herself in a brothel or something. I don't think that is very wholesome lol.

My point is that if a woman is choosing to explore increasingly depraved situations entirely for her own sexual liberation, and she isn't turned into some evil demon along the way, is that really corruption?

 

[JasNom]

My point is that if a woman is choosing to explore increasingly depraved situations entirely for her own sexual liberation, and she isn't turned into some evil demon along the way, is that really corruption?

I am not 100% sure what corruption in RL really means (aside from the definition), in a criminal sense people get offered money, they get extorted with proof of their dishonesty and they get threatened with their life to make a decision that's not their own. I know in 40k corruption also means to be chosen to become the next greater demon of Khorne or Nurgle ;-).

most of them, the corruption stat goes up because she got... groped, raped, etc. After being molested so many times, she is willing to prostitute herself in a brothel or something. I don't think that is very wholesome lol.

Exactly, that's also what I understand under games with the 'corruption' tag.

But back on topic, I think I feel also sorry for 'corrupting' a girl and in this matter Jasmine (from Princess Trainer) to lose her status and the respect of the people to a point where they would hate her. It's just that I also get a kick out of this many little situations Akabur was able to tell so skillfully, which in the beginning are much stronger than my compassion. Just when the excitement is gone the drama and the sadness are kicking in, I want to save the 'corrupted' person.

I often thought about a way to save Princess Jasmine, but I couldn't find a believable story to do so. At the day before her wedding, she is already so far gone from the person she once was, that I don't think there is a return for her. The saddest things of all is that she was the only person strong enough to oppose Jafar if only she had a little support and instead of helping her I would do join forces with Jafar...

 

[desmosome]

I often thought about a way to save Princess Jasmine, but I couldn't find a believable story to do so. At the day before her wedding, she is already so far gone from the person she once was, that I don't think there is a return for her. The saddest things of all is that she was the only person strong enough to oppose Jafar if only she had a little support and instead of helping her I would do join forces with Jafar...

That post nut clarity huh...

 

[Sphere42]

If people don't like Corruption, they don't need to play games with the Corruption Tag.

The problem with this kind of games is they are played by the wrong kind of people,

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In fact they should be played by Filthy Degenerate Perverted Creeps.
It's not for those with sensibilities with their pussy hearts.

Not everybody can stand Sluts, Prostitutes and Whores, there is no Heart of Gold to be found deep inside their hearts, only the most exquisite degeneracy.

Unfortunately that does not reflect reality. I play lots of corruption games despite the tag, specifically because they SUCK at what I would call "real" corruption. Basically zoning out for 5-10min at the beginning is the only way I've found of playing anything even remotely resembling a sex-positive female character with any semblance of agency.

But you rarely get there through "corruption". Instead you the player-god puppet your FPC doll into gangrapes, brainwashing, drugs or some other bullshit which is done to her against her will until she "breaks" and magically accepts it. That is "damaging" her, "defiling" her, but not "corrupting" her. In order to qualify as "corruption" in my book the corruptee has to go along willingy not by force. Blackmail and coercion are a bit of a grey area, ultimately it's a matter of how severe the consequences of either choice appear. The less external power difference the corruptee has to suffer the greater the corruption.

An interesting question is whether we need an objective or universally accepted standard of morality for "corruption". The above is completely independent of the morality of the individual choices, indeed if one were to somehow convince Darth Vader that petting Ewoks somehow served the cause of the Galactic Empire I would consider that a quite severe corruption of his character. But within the greater allegedly objective morality of the setting it would be "redemption".

With sex games the most common constellation seems to be that the women oppose sexuality, the game world is indifferent or slightly opposed, and the player (plus their self-insert character) is a massive pervert. But if going full turboslut has no negative consequences or reception then to what extent can it even be "corruption"? Only in the sense of altering the specific character, which arguably could also be achieved by getting them to enjoy playing Minecraft or studying maths.

So back to the OP's question, I would feel guilty about "real" corruption, leading someone down a path of near-objective evil without them even fully realising it or manipulating them into acceptance. But most "corruption" games aren't that, and if the fictional universe's rules dictate that women permanently turn into complete sluts after being forced to suck dick for five minutes then I cannot take it seriously enough to engage with any feelings of guilt. And if "hey let's try anal" - "umm, ok" ... "OMG this is amazing! We have to do this every time" qualifies for the "corruption" label then we might as well stop using it entirely and change the tag/genre to "sex positivity".

 

[JasNom]

Unfortunately that does not reflect reality...

omg, the moment you participate in anything that is called corruption, you are corrupted it doesn't matter if you think it was right or not, if you got money for that, or was blackmailed or even threatened with your kids lives or your own. The moment you do something corrupt you are corrupted. And a woman that has given up to fight the inevitable got corrupted.

You don't need to lead her with kisses and soft whispers to the find out about the beauty of sex to call it corruption.

And let's reflect reality. You have a lot of game creators, making corruption and incest games. Suddenly Patreon is changing policy and bamm... you have lots of game creators no longer making corruption and incest games instead they start snitching on other game creators whose games still haven't been kicked from Patreon and start playing the moralizers who find corruption and incest oh so ugly and start pity the .... what, the fictional characters in a computer game that is just counting bits...

An no Patreon didn't corrupt them with kisses and soft whispers.

 

[Sheik100]

We have to do this every time" qualifies for the "corruption" label then we might as well stop using it entirely and change the tag/genre to "sex positivity".

Actually thats a great idea. The name sucks but that could be improved. If its negative call it corruption. If its positive give it a new name, maybe lewdify or something like that. Sometimes the tags help know the game but additional information is nice. And then those of us that want trainer games that are a bit more positive can have a tag to search (because I dont think its easy to exclude tags, at least not on the "latest updates").

Edit: Theres Once a Porn a Time thats another one about lewdifying girls, though its weird because they are robots?

There might be some differences in the corruption tag and a corruption stat used in the game. I don't think it's too different though. I've played many japanese female protagonist corruption games too. In most of them, the corruption stat goes up because she got... groped, raped, etc. After being molested so many times, she is willing to prostitute herself in a brothel or something. I don't think that is very wholesome lol.

Some of those also go up just from seeing sex, being in lewd situations or reading porno mags or whatever. Plus Im convinced the girls in the ones about monster rape are all masochists or something. Like in Nightmare Girls all 4 girls like the situation so much theyll go back to it, like a sauna scene that seems intense at first but the way the game is structured is the nightmares read their inner desires. If you return later she impatiently jumps back into the scene. Thats why the random students you rescued werent raped but they were effected by the aura and when their desires develop they make their own nightmare world later. Sortve like literal corruption. Its sortve a spectrum just like here, some of their games are worse than others (Editted down the text, I hate it when I get too verbose).

No need to be sorry for participating in a discussion.

I just meant my input on the topic probably isnt worth much if I havent played the games you guys are talking about.

 

[DuniX]

Unfortunately that does not reflect reality. I play lots of corruption games despite the tag, specifically because they SUCK at what I would call "real" corruption. Basically zoning out for 5-10min at the beginning is the only way I've found of playing anything even remotely resembling a sex-positive female character with any semblance of agency.

What is called "corruption" never had anything to do with what your fantasies wanted.
It's content that most people wanted and that desire aggregated into its own meaning. It is what it is.
You can try to redefine it or use another tag, but if the people don't care it doesn't matter.

 

[Sheik100]

There might be some differences in the corruption tag and a corruption stat used in the game. I don't think it's too different though. I've played many japanese female protagonist corruption games too. In most of them, the corruption stat goes up because she got... groped, raped, etc. After being molested so many times, she is willing to prostitute herself in a brothel or something. I don't think that is very wholesome lol.

I remembered a great example of a Japanese game with corruption just being lust and sexual knowledge. Its Machine Girl Bitchu, its set in those old anime where robots have full human personality. You have no control over her besides you can nudge her in a direction to walk or a kindve training command so you can teach her stuff like masturbating in public is good or bad. 1 scene has her get molested on the train if she has no sexual experience. If shes confident (with some knowledge) she will straight up avoid the molestation and nothing happens. However if you manage to get the lewd stat very high she reverse rapes the molester (its actually funny she sucks his nose and he doesnt know what to do). Other events might be like a show shes filming (thats not sexual) but if shes lewd she thinks nothing of doing lewd things with the props and shocks the TV cast. The intro is hard to get passed if you dont know Japanese at all. Its RJ246613 on DLSite.

I think you can get her into bad situations but you would probably have to seek them out and keep saves at specific stat values because they all effect scenes. I think very low lewd value means she doesnt know enough about sex and puts herself into bad situations. Just teach her well and she does fine though. Its a really good training game, I wish it had a translation but its kindve in a weird format so I dont know if its possible.

 

[JasNom]

situations. Just teach her well and she does fine though. Its a really good training game, I wish it had a translation but its kindve in a weird format so I dont know if its possible.

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This game sounds very interesting but I think most of the typical corruption gamers would leave the game before they even had a chance to learn the mechanics if they were too complex.

 

[Deleted member 2466386]

I mean it's that the whole point of corruption theme game?

 

[Sheik100]

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This game sounds very interesting but I think most of the typical corruption gamers would leave the game before they even had a chance to learn the mechanics if they were too complex.

It is complex but not in a way where nothing happens. Its not like our trainer games where you have to do x/y/z or you dont get any scenes. Like you have 4 stats that all did something that decides how she handles a situation. So lots of times you see her interact with someone and then you see how she handles the scene and think of how to get her to make it lewd. Like if shes playing with the neighbor she will approach and react to him in different ways, I think I messed this one up because she seems to freak him out if shes too lewd (my Japanese isnt that good). Or the TV studio you can teach her to masturbate with the objects they give her but there might be other ways to get her to do lewd things. I dont think I even found everything but it was fun just figuring out different ways to approach it.

Edit: And if you dont know what youre doing you can just make her ultra lewd, teach her everything is a fap toy and watch her do things. Like shes ultra flexible as a robot so you can teach her yoga is actually about licking her own pussy.

Edit: Oh yeah theres also a touching game with it too that Im not exactly sure how it works, I think teaching her lewd things and making her cum leveled it up and unlocked more touching options but my memory on it isnt clear.

Thanks for finding the translation I need to give this game another look over. By the way if anyone can figure out how to do lewd things to the fairy please let me know.

 

[JasNom]

Thanks for finding the translation I need to give this game another look over. By the way if anyone can figure out how to do lewd things to the fairy please let me know.

Not sure if the translation has been done on that, that post just offered a translation tool.

 

[Deleted member 2437296]

I'm pretty vanilla, I guess it depends on how "hardcore" the corruption is. Taking a girl from a promising straight-A student to a drug and sex addicted homeless prostitute would feel bad to me. Helping a sexually repressed girl become more sexually open and somewhat slutty, without ruining her life could be fun though. That's just my preference.