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[God of Debauchery]

Has anyone else encountered a bug where when you make a sale on a product, they say that they'll pay you X amount of money, but then after you arrange a demo, the price is significantly less than what you were originally going to get?
I keep running into it and just had one where I was going to get paid almost $4k before the demo, but then I offered the demo and after completing it perfectly, I only got $1k.

 

[Melphy]

Has anyone else encountered a bug where when you make a sale on a product, they say that they'll pay you X amount of money, but then after you arrange a demo, the price is significantly less than what you were originally going to get?
I keep running into it and just had one where I was going to get paid almost $4k before the demo, but then I offered the demo and after completing it perfectly, I only got $1k.

Yes, I'm familiar with this, there seems to be an interaction where the number of pills the company was originally intending to buy gets like, rerolled or reconsidered during the demo, meaning that there are many cases where exceedingly large orders can end up much smaller because of it. It would be fair to call this a bug, some sort of oversight in how information from the original sale translates to the demo sale.

 

[VasaraGlyndark]

I love giving Bruce the bimbo pill and then making Bree think it is a choice(?) pill.

 

[shasteracki]

got my save corrupted too

 

[EKoza]

Hello everyone, please tell me when the next update is expected..?

 

[shasteracki]

got this error at the gym

An internal error occurred while trying to run (set:_params to it + (cond:(a:"feminist","intelligent") contains any of ($girl's tags + $girl's traits),(a:"feminist"),(a:))).The error was "Cannot read properties of undefined (reading 'determiner')". If this is the latest version of Harlowe, please consider reporting a bug (see the documentation).

 

[miyuki25]

Has anyone else encountered a bug where when you make a sale on a product, they say that they'll pay you X amount of money, but then after you arrange a demo, the price is significantly less than what you were originally going to get?
I keep running into it and just had one where I was going to get paid almost $4k before the demo, but then I offered the demo and after completing it perfectly, I only got $1k.

Yes, I'm familiar with this, there seems to be an interaction where the number of pills the company was originally intending to buy gets like, rerolled or reconsidered during the demo, meaning that there are many cases where exceedingly large orders can end up much smaller because of it. It would be fair to call this a bug, some sort of oversight in how information from the original sale translates to the demo sale.

It's certainly not a bug outright, and I think it's reasonable that this can happen, the whole point of a demonstration is to give the buyer one more chance to evaluate their potential purchase after all. The chances of your sale quantity being reduced when completing the demo at 100% should probably be a bit lower than it is at present, but choosing to do a demo when it isn't mandated by the buyer should be a gamble, and people overbuying when put under time pressure (i.e. during the initial phonecall in this case) is a very real phenomenon.

 

[God of Debauchery]

It's certainly not a bug outright, and I think it's reasonable that this can happen, the whole point of a demonstration is to give the buyer one more chance to evaluate their potential purchase after all. The chances of your sale quantity being reduced when completing the demo at 100% should probably be a bit lower than it is at present, but choosing to do a demo when it isn't mandated by the buyer should be a gamble, and people overbuying when put under time pressure (i.e. during the initial phonecall in this case) is a very real phenomenon.

Okay, but it is absolutely a bug because the in-game description doesn't suggest any sort of re-roll or time pressures or anything like you mentioned, it just says you get a 25% boost to the commission rate, meaning that $4k I should have gotten should have gone up by a few hundred dollars rather than down several thousand, especially considering I fucked the dude I was doing business with.

 

[shasteracki]

After getting fucked while working there are a ton of errors in the console around typeErrors
triggers on "back to work" click

Cannot set properties of null (setting 'value')
at eval (eval at <anonymous> (eval at <anonymous> (

 

[stochastic]

especially considering I fucked the dude I was doing business with.

Sounds more like he fucked you

 

[shasteracki]

Okay, but it is absolutely a bug because the in-game description doesn't suggest any sort of re-roll or time pressures or anything like you mentioned, it just says you get a 25% boost to the commission rate, meaning that $4k I should have gotten should have gone up by a few hundred dollars rather than down several thousand, especially considering I fucked the dude I was doing business with.

Reality is it may or may not be a bug.

It's rational human behavior per miyuki, but it's not documented as such per you.

The game isn't required to tell you every time you're rolling the dice. All it tells you is that you get a higher commission on whatever sale you make if you do the demo

Maybe it's a bug, maybe you got greedy and got fucked. Happens in real sales all the time

 

[shasteracki]

Another error this one while doing the bruce cum-cure scene:


TypeError: Cannot read properties of null (reading 'removeEventListener')
at eval (eval at <anonymous> (eval at <anonymous> (

 

[Melphy]

Reality is it may or may not be a bug.

It's rational human behavior per miyuki, but it's not documented as such per you.

The game isn't required to tell you every time you're rolling the dice. All it tells you is that you get a higher commission on whatever sale you make if you do the demo

Maybe it's a bug, maybe you got greedy and got fucked. Happens in real sales all the time

The main reason it's felt like a bug to me is usually the number of pills in a sale (somewhat logically) has some relationship to the number of staff that could be pilled in their role, and so it "feels" wrong when you only sell 10 pills to someone with 40+ employees. While it is "logical" that that could happen, it feels like it breaks the game's conventions, and seems more like the game somehow forgot how many employees there were, rather than a simulated decision of an NPC.

 

[mattslime]

As shared earlier in this thread, here's the playlist of

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with breakdowns to varies parts of the game.

Thank you for the list, but i am looking for the female sung version of 'People are People' that plays during the bimbo sex scene with Bruce, and the one in the list is the original release.

 

[TheFamilyDog]

Thank you for the list, but i am looking for the female sung version of 'People are People' that plays during the bimbo sex scene with Bruce, and the one in the list is the original release.

Having never gotten to that scene, my google search did come- up with three covers done by female artists.

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[miyuki25]

Okay, but it is absolutely a bug because the in-game description doesn't suggest any sort of re-roll or time pressures or anything like you mentioned, it just says you get a 25% boost to the commission rate, meaning that $4k I should have gotten should have gone up by a few hundred dollars rather than down several thousand, especially considering I fucked the dude I was doing business with.

You are getting a boost to the commission rate though, you simply failed to sell as many as you previously had the chance to.

Say you have a base rate of 16% commission, and you had a lucky phone call, where the person on the other end representing a company of 20 employees decides to buy 40 pills, you'll make 16% of 40, i.e. 6.4x whatever value it is for that pill if you take that deal. If you opt instead to do a demonstration of the product and only sell the normally expected 20 pills as a result, you end up with 20% of 20, i.e. 4x the pill value. You still got a bigger rate in this case (20% as opposed to 16%) despite earning 2.4x the pill's value less than you could have had you taken the deal originally offered.

Is this realistic? I think so, you've given them a chance to re-evaluate overnight (or longer depending on how soon you schedule it), they may have had a meeting about it internally since, and the person you do the demo for may not even be the person you spoke to on the phone. Assuming this is intended, as I believe it probably is, perhaps the wording of the demo description could be made clearer to indicate that this is effectively a gamble (beyond the possibility of messing up the demo itself) to avoid confusion.

 

[Melphy]

Assuming this is intended, as I believe it probably is, perhaps the wording of the demo description could be made clearer to indicate that this is effectively a gamble (beyond the possibility of messing up the demo itself) to avoid confusion.

Yeah, I think that's the key thing that would avoid the ambiguity, just something that indicates that doing the demo could wildly change how many pills you sell would likely tidy up any confusion nicely. I'll admit, I've rarely been "punished" like this as I only usually do demos if I *have* to, so I don't typically have the before and after sale number to compare, but a simple note somewhere early on about the risks, such as they are, if intended would permit more informed choice on when someone has the option to engage with the system.

I guess the one down side is that it means that if you got a large sale you are now actively disincentivized from doing a demo, because the RNG odds could result in you making less money even with the boosted commission, so choosing to do a demo on a large order is just, objectively, a bad decision now? Dunno if that's a desirable outcome.

 

[DavDR]

You are getting a boost to the commission rate though, you simply failed to sell as many as you previously had the chance to.

Say you have a base rate of 16% commission, and you had a lucky phone call, where the person on the other end representing a company of 20 employees decides to buy 40 pills, you'll make 16% of 40, i.e. 6.4x whatever value it is for that pill if you take that deal. If you opt instead to do a demonstration of the product and only sell the normally expected 20 pills as a result, you end up with 20% of 20, i.e. 4x the pill value. You still got a bigger rate in this case (20% as opposed to 16%) despite earning 2.4x the pill's value less than you could have had you taken the deal originally offered.

Is this realistic? I think so, you've given them a chance to re-evaluate overnight (or longer depending on how soon you schedule it), they may have had a meeting about it internally since, and the person you do the demo for may not even be the person you spoke to on the phone. Assuming this is intended, as I believe it probably is, perhaps the wording of the demo description could be made clearer to indicate that this is effectively a gamble (beyond the possibility of messing up the demo itself) to avoid confusion.

This line of argument could go on for weeks, going back and forth about what's 'realistic'. It's a pointless argument in games. If this game universe were realistic they would have invented an effective hangover pill or even a sobriety pill, given this societies chemical and genetic technology. So let's not hear anymore pointless arguments about reality.

The point is Dev's who hold out a specific reward for a given task and then arbitrarily snatch it away again. I'm noticing this a lot in games lately and I don't like it.

 

[TheFamilyDog]

The point is Dev's who hold out a specific reward for a given task and then arbitrarily snatch it away again. I'm noticing this a lot in games lately and I don't like it.

You do realize that the whole point of pill demos is to present the 'naughty" side of the x-pill business. Any money one gets is secondary due to your character not having to worry about being homeless or hungry. In one of my games, I played a secretary for like months and had little money due to that. And I still was able to go to do things in the game, buy some choice outfits, and rent movies. Having no cash in this game does not get one into the game over screen like others I've played. In fact, it could be fun living paycheck to paycheck (as in spending all the money you made that week) and getting a game award for it.

 

[tooldev]

You do realize that the whole point of pill demos is to present the 'naughty" side of the x-pill business. Any money one gets is secondary due to your character not having to worry about being homeless or hungry. In one of my games, I played a secretary for like months and had little money due to that. And I still was able to go to do things in the game, buy some choice outfits, and rent movies. Having no cash in this game does not get one into the game over screen like others I've played. In fact, it could be fun living paycheck to paycheck (as in spending all the money you made that week) and getting a game award for it.

I think you misunderstood the point. Since this is a game, the earning money part becomes a mechanic. If a mechanic is no fun it ruins the overall experience. If the game in general would apply random success to actions, nobody would be surprised and more accepting. But when a lot of effort is made to have a sales function where the outcome depends on you choosing the right product and use the correct arguments to raise your sales success, then the success cannot be random all the sudden. It eliminates earlier steps of the mechanic or at least is not rewarding anymore.