You have to be kidding me... like why

[DarthSeduction]

Wow so 3k a week or 156k a year is considered a joke? So someone must have a huge property if they pay $1700 a week for a mortgage that is $88400 a year. I thought that the average wage in the US was around 40 to 50k a year.

You misunderstood his comment. The work week is generally considered the measure, people don't say "I work 160+ hours a month." They talk about how much they make a week, and their salary, which will normally be 2 weeks pay. In the case of games, however, it's monthly, because that's how Patreon works.

So, 3000 a month, working 40 hours a week, and paying 1700 dollars a month to your mortgage.

Take from there, the fact that you're not really recommended to spend more than 30% of your income on housing. So, if a Dev was working for only 3k a month their housing costs could only be 900 dollars a month. I'm telling you right now, if no one else is working in that household, they're living in the ghetto.

The Average income in the US is actually closer to 70k, iirc, however the median income is around 56k. What that means though is that half of the US makes less than that. So, even if we were to decide that developers are A) only allowed to work alone. B) Only allowed to make the Median US income and C) people should stop donating at that point. They'd still need about 4700 a month to meet that median, and they'd struggle all the time for it. (and that's a max 1400 housing cost)

 

[Sumodeine]

One point that I feel should also bring up is that maybe, just maybe a talented aspiring 3D artist/storyteller/game developer sees how much money can potentially be made by creating a porn game and tries it for themselves. More money going to developers encourages more developers to try, which inherently pushes all the developers to be produce higher quality content. Which creates better games for everyone to play.

I'd bet there are plenty of people out there that could create high quality adult games, but don't because there's not enough money in it for them to quit their job and take the risk. So instead of criticizing the devs that make a lot of money, we should really be thanking them for pushing the industry further.

 

[RedPillBlues]

Honestly when It comes to discussing Adult games I try to keep money out of the conversation as much as I can. If they're not making 6k+ its not relevant. The only time I ever usually bring it up is when the developer is making an obscene amount of money yet trickling his supports with the least they can do, and that's a very small group (Cough* MGI, Simbro cough*). Other then that i'm happy to see Devs earn more, It just gives more incentive to new devs to actually take a step in the field.

 

[おい！]

Idk if it's different where you're from but in the US we refer to work hours per week, but income as monthly. So $3k a month, not week. I'd love $3k a week lol.

I was just pulling your leg, where I am from we would say 750 a week, 3,000 a month or 36,000 a year.

 

[Hadley]

I don't get that logic. People get paid what they are worth. There are a limited number of good Games like Milfy City and people always pay a premium for Niche-Stuff.

There are people who made Millions with some really simple shitty Mobile-Games.

 

[Jashmyne]

Sounds like jealousy almost.
If some are very successful then good on them, trying to put a limit on how much they may earn because they make porn seem very odd and I just don't understand why you would even think that.
The devs for Wildlife makes almost 40k for a porn game, it's fine.

 

[Kaula]

Well thanks for the good replies, since I don't have much time I will say my thoughts on this messages (wish I could quote every replay but I can't)

I posted this thread based on these assumptions, that's why I was saying such things :

1- My first assumption: the devs aren't taking it as a full-time job; I thought most of them are like under 20 years old, which means they probably living at parents house (some might not be but for the most part), so I didn't realize there are people making a complete living relying on patreon/donations income, which in that case, I'd say that 15k may not the best salary,

so If the devs actually living by there own and programming their games is a full-time job, then, I'd say 15k actually is a low salary, they may deserve a lot more in that case IMO

2- (which is pointed out in the first assumption) My second assumption: that they are teens and are making a game is a hobby for them and in that case, that was I was thinking, so they may not benefit that much for that high amount of money, idk

And I was wondering about the high amounts, that why I was asking and such, so yeah I was asking out of curiosity & I added my opinion about it

At that the end it looks like I'm kinda jealous but I really wasn't, I started this thread out of curiosity and wanted to see your opinion about it and to clear things up for me

Again, which I could replay to every replay, but I'm tight on time, anyways, thank you all for the good replies (And sorry for my bad English xD)
Which you a good day

 

[Kaula]

One point that I feel should also bring up is that maybe, just maybe a talented aspiring 3D artist/storyteller/game developer sees how much money can potentially be made by creating a porn game and tries it for themselves. More money going to developers encourages more developers to try, which inherently pushes all the developers to be produce higher quality content. Which creates better games for everyone to play.

I'd bet there are plenty of people out there that could create high quality adult games, but don't because there's not enough money in it for them to quit their job and take the risk. So instead of criticizing the devs that make a lot of money, we should really be thanking them for pushing the industry further.

You misunderstood his comment. The work week is generally considered the measure, people don't say "I work 160+ hours a month." They talk about how much they make a week, and their salary, which will normally be 2 weeks pay. In the case of games, however, it's monthly, because that's how Patreon works.

So, 3000 a month, working 40 hours a week, and paying 1700 dollars a month to your mortgage.

Take from there, the fact that you're not really recommended to spend more than 30% of your income on housing. So, if a Dev was working for only 3k a month their housing costs could only be 900 dollars a month. I'm telling you right now, if no one else is working in that household, they're living in the ghetto.

The Average income in the US is actually closer to 70k, iirc, however the median income is around 56k. What that means though is that half of the US makes less than that. So, even if we were to decide that developers are A) only allowed to work alone. B) Only allowed to make the Median US income and C) people should stop donating at that point. They'd still need about 4700 a month to meet that median, and they'd struggle all the time for it. (and that's a max 1400 housing cost)

Idk if it's different where you're from but in the US we refer to work hours per week, but income as monthly. So $3k a month, not week. I'd love $3k a week lol.

You are looking at it from a wrong prospective: It is not about deserving it but rather how good the premise of what you are offering is and, should that be good, all the fans that can afford it will want to pitch something to help, to give their contribute individually, like "Cool idea, I like it, here's a coffee!"

Some people may do it for the tiers, to get builds, manuals, and so on as soon as possible or are simply interested in the game developing side of things or simply want to know what is going on (assuming there are weekly updates like most of them do).

I may be wrong but that is what I have personally experienced at least: I had a sucky project idea with even worse art and despite updating it regularly I only have 1 patreon: The same person for months which at this point became my hero, basically.
Whereas I have seen patreon pages that were not updated since November with a premise and art better than mine (Good Girl Gone bad style of games) which to this day have a lot more patreons than me (heck, even the scammer miagamehouse at their worst had more patreons than me, and they surely did not deserve it ).

Putting all that aside, even if your prospective had been right, that does not mean you were right as you can't judge who deserves what... Most of them are not solo but work in teams, they pay for their art, for their animators, for voice acting... And those things can be pretty expensive, not to mention that the money you see on patreon aren't 100% what the people actually get.

2000-3000$?
Jesus, who would work on something 20 hours a day for a minimum wage like that? Taxes, food, rent and what else need to be paid by a grown ass adult. I can understand for very young people (or people from third world countries) that the amount seems a lot. But for a full grown man who wants to make a full-time job on something. That amount will only be good for a side job. And hence less time, updates and content.

When making a patreon account and dedicating imaginable hours without pay at the start. Your goal is to be able to make it a job. When people pledge, they don't buy the game, nor are they giving just enough for the game to be made (like Kickstarter). They support the dev which makes something they a fan of. And if the stuff is great they want the dev to get the rewards they think he/she/they deserve.

Why would the creator(s) deserve any less than what the followers think he/she/they deserve?

There seems to be a lot of game devs in here;

Just to let you, I've read every replay, and I must say, I was completely wrong (see my replay above for details)

And thanks to everyone for clearing that up for me (especially game devs) <3

 

[Domiek]

There seems to be a lot of game devs in here;

Just to let you, I've read every replay, and I must say, I was completely wrong (see my replay above for details)

And thanks to everyone for clearing that up for me (especially game devs) <3

No problem! Your post seemed like you were genuinely baffled by how much devs earn and wanted to know more, rather than simply be insulting. For this reason I'm happy that people took the time to explain rather than getting defensive. Good on you for taking in new information and changing your opinion based on that. A lot if people aren't capable of that