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yoyomistro

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Must admit i noticed no such ginger hate as you claim. Not to mention the MC's hair is kind of ambiguously redish-brown to boot?
If you go on the Patreon, you'll see the dev started taking input on character design, and the MC is now a generic brune(t? idk lol) without glasses as always happens when devs take input on character design. Also if you pay attention you'll notice the vast majority of white male movie stars have brown hair. Any redhead and even to some extent blond white male will tell you that they can't get a leading role almost ever. Sometimes if you're blonde you can get a lead as an anti-hero/depressed loser. I'm not white so IDC really, but I always found it interesting that white male leads will always be brown-haired if it's up to the crowd to chose.

Even if the dev doesn't leave it up to the audience, people will complain about it until it changes. The best example is from a thread that's been deleted, and I can't recall any else off the top right now, but I mean it's obvious if you pay attention to MCs for most games and MC redesigns that there's a range of "acceptable" looks without people bitching about it.
 
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Hey guys, indeed, I asked for feedback on the physical appearance of the MC and other characters.

The last poll was about the size of the MC's dick.

If you must know, my first character idea was an afro character, Tobias. But the feedback on the comic with him wasn't convincing. And the rare VNs with Afro-American protagonists didn't work.

I then chose an ugly, red-haired, bespectacled, and skinny character because I found it funny, especially for the loser/cuck route. But not very believable for the Harem/Alpha route.

The problem with this kind of character is that some players can't identify with the MC.
Because a very large portion of the world's population has brown/black hair.

That's why the MC is ultimately "generic"... he's a fucking clone of all the other VNs. I don't mean that negatively. It's a fact.

But the most important element is that I wanted him to have exactly the same eye and hair color as his two sisters and his mother. And the common color that best suited all four characters was brown, with dark blue eyes. Keep in mind that, despite everything I wrote, this was the most important element of my choice when recreating the characters.



Also note that the story has been completely reworked, which is why the next version is taking so long to release.

Following the poll, the game will be more incest-oriented, so it will be set with his real family, unlike the old version where she went to live in France.
 
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Hey guys, indeed, I asked for feedback on the physical appearance of the MC and other characters.

The last poll was about the size of the MC's dick.

If you must know, my first character idea was an afro character, Tobias. But the feedback on the comic with him wasn't convincing. And the rare VNs with Afro-American protagonists didn't work.

I then chose an ugly, red-haired, bespectacled, and skinny character because I found it funny, especially for the loser/cuck route. But not very believable for the Harem/Alpha route.

The problem with this kind of character is that some players can't identify with the MC.
Because a very large portion of the world's population has brown/black hair.

That's why the MC is ultimately "generic"... he's a fucking clone of all the other VNs. I don't mean that negatively. It's a fact.

But the most important element is that I wanted him to have exactly the same eye and hair color as his two sisters and his mother. And the common color that best suited all four characters was brown, with dark blue eyes. Keep in mind that, despite everything I wrote, this was the most important element of my choice when recreating the characters.



Also note that the story has been completely reworked, which is why the next version is taking so long to release.

Following the poll, the game will be more incest-oriented, so it will be set with his real family, unlike the old version where she went to live in France.
bro it's been 5 months
when next update?
 

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If you go on the Patreon, you'll see the dev started taking input on character design, and the MC is now a generic brune(t? idk lol) without glasses as always happens when devs take input on character design. Also if you pay attention you'll notice the vast majority of white male movie stars have brown hair. Any redhead and even to some extent blond white male will tell you that they can't get a leading role almost ever. Sometimes if you're blonde you can get a lead as an anti-hero/depressed loser. I'm not white so IDC really, but I always found it interesting that white male leads will always be brown-haired if it's up to the crowd to chose.
The guys who did Thor, Captain America - or Luke Skywalker - among others might disagree on that, but i guess it could be observer bias either way.

Even if the dev doesn't leave it up to the audience, people will complain about it until it changes. The best example is from a thread that's been deleted, and I can't recall any else off the top right now, but I mean it's obvious if you pay attention to MCs for most games and MC redesigns that there's a range of "acceptable" looks without people bitching about it.
Can't say for sure on that. And my own previous question kind of exemplifies how the matter of the MC's hair color was kind of ambiguous even before this redesign you speak of.

There's a whole range of shades between blond and brown where things get dubious and defined in contrast to other people or hair tones. But i bet some women might be able through experience and social factors to rant far longer and with much greater knowledge of the subject than i ever will. :unsure:
 
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The guys who did Thor, Captain America - or Luke Skywalker - among others might disagree on that, but i guess it could be observer bias either way.



Can't say for sure on that. And my own previous question kind of exemplifies how the matter of the MC's hair color was kind of ambiguous even before this redesign you speak of.

There's a whole range of shades between blond and brown where things get dubious and defined in contrast to other people or hair tones. But i bet some women might be able through experience and social factors to rant far longer and with much greater knowledge of the subject than i ever will. :unsure:
The dev already replied to the thread and confirmed what I said, even saying he wanted to make the MC black and wasn't getting traction...

I mean, you pick two fantasy characters, one that was made over 80 years ago as a comic character (who tend to be more diverse because of who designed the majority of American comic book characters), and the other of which was made by an idiosyncratic sci-fi director over 40 years ago... IDK what to say to you dude, it's well documented among white male actors without brown hair the difficulty they have securing leading roles, and you can look at the general landscape.

Like seriously, even just go through the latest update page, and select male protagonist. Go on Netflix, sort through movies with male leads. Not sure how my point isn't obvious, it's not even a contentious thing.

Also on the original MC's hair color being ambiguous, it's red-auburn. Anyone with orange to auburn hair can be called a redhead, not sure why you're being so nitpicky on that point lol. Yea, there are people who are "sandy", dirty blond, strawberry blond, etc., but the three main hair color categories for white people are blond, redhead, and brune(tte). Never really seen anyone contend with those categorizations lol...

Women are a different question because guys have preferences for a range of female hair color, and I'm not sure if women are as concerned as guys with a protagonist being "relatable" down to the point of hair color.

The fact is, the MC is no longer a redhead because the dev opened it up to the audience, and they predictable wanted a generic brunet white guy. Not casting aspersions on the dev, just unfortunate (IMO) seeing another MC get generified.

If you must know, my first character idea was an afro character, Tobias. But the feedback on the comic with him wasn't convincing. And the rare VNs with Afro-American protagonists didn't work.
Where can I find your comics? Also, hope you don't put the dick/stalker route on the back burner, we don't get enough of those. Also, for futa content, can you do male on futa, even for the jacked ones? Most futa content is futa on male already, and there are a lot of people who like male on futa in an incest game, just no one makes it except Snats basically so he has most of that audience.
 
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c0mh1x

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The dev already replied to the thread and confirmed what I said, even saying he wanted to make the MC black and wasn't getting traction...

I mean, you pick two fantasy characters, one that was made over 80 years ago as a comic character (who tend to be more diverse because of who designed the majority of American comic book characters), and the other of which was made by an idiosyncratic sci-fi director over 40 years ago... IDK what to say to you dude, it's well documented among white male actors without brown hair the difficulty they have securing leading roles, and you can look at the general landscape.

Like seriously, even just go through the latest update page, and select male protagonist. Go on Netflix, sort through movies with male leads. Not sure how my point isn't obvious, it's not even a contentious thing.

Also on the original MC's hair color being ambiguous, it's red-auburn. Anyone with orange to auburn hair can be called a redhead, not sure why you're being so nitpicky on that point lol. Yea, there are people who are "sandy", dirty blond, strawberry blond, etc., but the three main hair color categories for white people are blond, redhead, and brune(tte). Never really seen anyone contend with those categorizations lol...

Women are a different question because guys have preferences for a range of female hair color, and I'm not sure if women are as concerned as guys with a protagonist being "relatable" down to the point of hair color.

The fact is, the MC is no longer a redhead because the dev opened it up to the audience, and they predictable wanted a generic brunet white guy. Not casting aspersions on the dev, just unfortunate (IMO) seeing another MC get generified.



Where can I find your comics? Also, hope you don't put the dick/stalker route on the back burner, we don't get enough of those. Also, for futa content, can you do male on futa, even for the jacked ones? Most futa content is futa on male already, and there are a lot of people who like male on futa in an incest game, just no one makes it except Snats basically so he has most of that audience.
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everything takes place in the same city with the characters who exist or will exist in the VN. these are the adventures of the secondary characters.
 

yoyomistro

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There aren't any. I haven't finished them, they were my first drawings, now I've devoted myself to the VN.
OK, ty again. Also, please look into a Subscribestar/Unifans. Once I've seen some consistent output from you I'd be more likely to support, but I'd prefer it be on a platform other than Patre0n. Also, they might bring down the hammer the riskier your content gets.
 
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The subscribstar page is open but empty, because I know that sooner or later, the Patreon page will be deleted. I'm going to fill it up before opening it, because I like that we can have access to all the history from the beginning when we join.
 
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