Ren'Py Zero to Hero [v0.1 RE Part 1] [c0mh1x]

[Virpgoil]

Hi, I'm going to give a little more detail here about the NTR.

After drawing the NTR versions of the family's vacation in Mexico, I thought about what might happen next if we continue down this path.

And I realized that we would systematically reach a dead end because it contradicts what the main story will offer. That is, the MC's evolution (physically and mentally) into a hero version of himself. I find that with his new body, the NTR isn't credible. He would have to keep a small penis and a cowardly body for the NTR to be justified, to remain a loser, both physically and mentally. And for that, we would have to create two completely parallel stories, with two different MCs, an alpha version and a cuck version, with separate states of mind, which would be almost like making two completely different games. The alternative paths were my initial idea, it's true, but I didn't think it would have to be so different for it to work,

and the main problem with everything that's been mentioned is the result. Depending on the path you choose and what you avoid, ultimately, for each update, you'll only see 25-40% of the game's content... and by trying to please everyone, I risk satisfying no one. A choice had to be made. I chose simplicity. Because NTR is the tag I'm least familiar with, as I consume very little NTR content. So I'm focusing on the main characters in the family, mainly Grace, Victoria, and Maisie.
Yes, it's true that incest and harem are often closely linked.

But the reality is that NTR and Harem are very difficult to combine. Personally, I think that only “Power Vaccun” and “Sexbot” have managed to do it well.
In “Taffy Tales,” they chose to offer two completely different versions, one for NTR and the other for the main storyline, but that came after several years of development. And I no longer consume this game since their AI remake...

So I prefer to focus on the main story, with the family members. If I were to include NTR, it would be in “What If” versions, so non-canonical and in the form of special episodes. But mixing it with the main storyline is too complicated for me, especially since real NTR often occurs in an already established relationship.

So I prefer to announce that there will be no NTR.
Since the content of 0.2 (December if all goes well) has already been decided. It will be the beginning of the real game, and a progression of scenes/relationships with family members. And I haven't found a credible place for NTR.

I didn't expect this much of a detailed explanation, but after reading this I have to say thank you for being real and sharing your thought process behind it all. I can tell that the passion you have for your game will make it go far. I am so glad to hear that you have thought about doing what-ifs for the game at some point and it's funny because Power Vacuum is my favorite 3dcg game of all time. I love the implementation of the bad end/what-ifs method. It's the only way to get ntr/incest to work out it seems. But yeah overall with ntr it naturally conflicts with the vanilla/harem side of things making it almost impossible to make the mainstory work out. So i don't blame you at all for sticking to your vision. It's the right move. Your art is so unique and honestly to be able to get a new 2dcg incest game that has an actual honest developer behind it would be a breath of fresh air. You would think there would be a plethora of GOOD incest harem 2dcg games that over saturate the market but nope they are very few so I'm very much looking forward to more of your work now that the stones have been set! I'll definitely be supporting you from here on out. Wishing you great success my friend!

 

[c0mh1x]

I didn't expect this much of a detailed explanation, but after reading this I have to say thank you for being real and sharing your thought process behind it all. I can tell that the passion you have for your game will make it go far. I am so glad to hear that you have thought about doing what-ifs for the game at some point and it's funny because Power Vacuum is my favorite 3dcg game of all time. I love the implementation of the bad end/what-ifs method. It's the only way to get ntr/incest to work out it seems. But yeah overall with ntr it naturally conflicts with the vanilla/harem side of things making it almost impossible to make the mainstory work out. So i don't blame you at all for sticking to your vision. It's the right move. Your art is so unique and honestly to be able to get a new 2dcg incest game that has an actual honest developer behind it would be a breath of fresh air. You would think there would be a plethora of GOOD incest harem 2dcg games that over saturate the market but nope they are very few so I'm very much looking forward to more of your work now that the stones have been set! I'll definitely be supporting you from here on out. Wishing you great success my friend!

Thank you for your feedback. Power Vacuum is also my favorite 3DCG game, with DeamonDeals being my favorite 2DCG game.

And precisely what I criticize WWG of Power Vaccun for is its lack of transparency and communication.

 

[Knight]

So i just read the latest post on patreon and I am sad to hear the news about the ditching of the ntr route.

Didn't bother reading anything after this, opinion discarded.



This is a game about becoming a gigachad, cuckshit goes against the very premise the game is based on.

 

[mario01]

Hi, I'm going to give a little more detail here about the NTR.

After drawing the NTR versions of the family's vacation in Mexico, I thought about what might happen next if we continue down this path.

And I realized that we would systematically reach a dead end because it contradicts what the main story will offer. That is, the MC's evolution (physically and mentally) into a hero version of himself. I find that with his new body, the NTR isn't credible. He would have to keep a small penis and a cowardly body for the NTR to be justified, to remain a loser, both physically and mentally. And for that, we would have to create two completely parallel stories, with two different MCs, an alpha version and a cuck version, with separate states of mind, which would be almost like making two completely different games. The alternative paths were my initial idea, it's true, but I didn't think it would have to be so different for it to work,

and the main problem with everything that's been mentioned is the result. Depending on the path you choose and what you avoid, ultimately, for each update, you'll only see 25-40% of the game's content... and by trying to please everyone, I risk satisfying no one. A choice had to be made. I chose simplicity. Because NTR is the tag I'm least familiar with, as I consume very little NTR content. So I'm focusing on the main characters in the family, mainly Grace, Victoria, and Maisie.
Yes, it's true that incest and harem are often closely linked.

But the reality is that NTR and Harem are very difficult to combine. Personally, I think that only “Power Vaccun” and “Sexbot” have managed to do it well.
In “Taffy Tales,” they chose to offer two completely different versions, one for NTR and the other for the main storyline, but that came after several years of development. And I no longer consume this game since their AI remake...

So I prefer to focus on the main story, with the family members. If I were to include NTR, it would be in “What If” versions, so non-canonical and in the form of special episodes. But mixing it with the main storyline is too complicated for me, especially since real NTR often occurs in an already established relationship.

So I prefer to announce that there will be no NTR.
Since the content of 0.2 (December if all goes well) has already been decided. It will be the beginning of the real game, and a progression of scenes/relationships with family members. And I haven't found a credible place for NTR.

if you use AI to assist based on your drawing model

 

[c0mh1x]

if you use AI to assist based on your drawing model

I don't know how to use AI and I don't like how it looks.

 

[mario01]

I don't know how to use AI and I don't like how it looks.

I think you can use Sora or another AI. I was saying that to help you with some drawings. I think the competition, I mean, it's not full NTR, but rather a competition in NTR or corruption or vanilla or sharing. Your game has a lot of potential, xd.

 

[c0mh1x]

I think you can use Sora or another AI. I was saying that to help you with some drawings. I think the competition, I mean, it's not full NTR, but rather a competition in NTR or corruption or vanilla or sharing. Your game has a lot of potential, xd.

I've also seen that you can animate with AI, but I don't like the result. I know it's becoming popular, but I find the result too smooth, too floaty. I prefer art with flaws but that's more artisanal, handmade, whether it's my own or that of the artists I follow. For example, I prefer the original art of Taffy Tales to its AI remake...

I know it would be much faster, but I don't like the result. Even though it's obviously much more beautiful than what I draw myself. But I find that AI has too “generic” a style.

 

[mario01]

I've also seen that you can animate with AI, but I don't like the result. I know it's becoming popular, but I find the result too smooth, too floaty. I prefer art with flaws but that's more artisanal, handmade, whether it's my own or that of the artists I follow. For example, I prefer the original art of Taffy Tales to its AI remake...

I know it would be much faster, but I don't like the result. Even though it's obviously much more beautiful than what I draw myself. But I find that AI has too “generic” a style.

Sure, but you can redesign the same design by converting it to pixels in Photoshop or Illustrator and separating it into vectors. From there, it would just be a matter of making a few adjustments.

 

[Míster R]

Hi, I'm going to give a little more detail here about the NTR.

After drawing the NTR versions of the family's vacation in Mexico, I thought about what might happen next if we continue down this path.

And I realized that we would systematically reach a dead end because it contradicts what the main story will offer. That is, the MC's evolution (physically and mentally) into a hero version of himself. I find that with his new body, the NTR isn't credible. He would have to keep a small penis and a cowardly body for the NTR to be justified, to remain a loser, both physically and mentally. And for that, we would have to create two completely parallel stories, with two different MCs, an alpha version and a cuck version, with separate states of mind, which would be almost like making two completely different games. The alternative paths were my initial idea, it's true, but I didn't think it would have to be so different for it to work,

and the main problem with everything that's been mentioned is the result. Depending on the path you choose and what you avoid, ultimately, for each update, you'll only see 25-40% of the game's content... and by trying to please everyone, I risk satisfying no one. A choice had to be made. I chose simplicity. Because NTR is the tag I'm least familiar with, as I consume very little NTR content. So I'm focusing on the main characters in the family, mainly Grace, Victoria, and Maisie.
Yes, it's true that incest and harem are often closely linked.

But the reality is that NTR and Harem are very difficult to combine. Personally, I think that only “Power Vaccun” and “Sexbot” have managed to do it well.
In “Taffy Tales,” they chose to offer two completely different versions, one for NTR and the other for the main storyline, but that came after several years of development. And I no longer consume this game since their AI remake...

So I prefer to focus on the main story, with the family members. If I were to include NTR, it would be in “What If” versions, so non-canonical and in the form of special episodes. But mixing it with the main storyline is too complicated for me, especially since real NTR often occurs in an already established relationship.

So I prefer to announce that there will be no NTR.
Since the content of 0.2 (December if all goes well) has already been decided. It will be the beginning of the real game, and a progression of scenes/relationships with family members. And I haven't found a credible place for NTR.

If the NTR path is canceled, what will happen to the futa path? Will it just be the MC having sex with futas or what?

 

[c0mh1x]

If the NTR path is canceled, what will happen to the futa path? Will it just be the MC having sex with futas or what?

The futanari option remains. It can be disabled at the start of the game. But they can remain because they do not require parallel progression of the story or the MC's development. In this specific case, you just have to choose whether or not you want to have a relationship with the futas, whereas NTR requires too much change.

 

[Míster R]

The futanari option remains. It can be disabled at the start of the game. But they can remain because they do not require parallel progression of the story or the MC's development. In this specific case, you just have to choose whether or not you want to have a relationship with the futas, whereas NTR requires too much change.

So basically, that's how it'll be, MC having sex with futas. I was expecting something more like a futa having sex with a LI or something, but I guess that would fall under NTR, and well that's already canceled.

 

[OGloc_420]

No NTR is the worst news I've heard all week. But make what you love and you won't burn out I guess.

I will say though - Saying that NTR doesn't make sense because the MC has a big cock and a hot body is pretty dumb imo. That would make the NTR even better. The girls going for someone else even though the MC has so much going for him.

Good luck c0mh1x! Still love your art style

 

[Nessiah]

I was expecting something more like a futa having sex with a LI or something, but I guess that would fall under NTR, and well that's already canceled.

Shame. Future Futa x female (LI or otherwise) content was the main reason I was interested in the game. I'm generally meh on normal ntr but Futa ntr is a completely different story.

 

[c0mh1x]

Anything involving NTR or FutaxLi would be possible in a special episode/what if scenario.
But it would be non-canon.
I've reached the point where, between imagination and reality, I find it too complicated to justify a credible alternative scenario to justify NTR. That's why I announced its removal. On the other hand, anything is possible in a special episode that would be non-canon. That's the only solution I've found so far.

 

[mario01]

Anything involving NTR or FutaxLi would be possible in a special episode/what if scenario.
But it would be non-canon.
I've reached the point where, between imagination and reality, I find it too complicated to justify a credible alternative scenario to justify NTR. That's why I announced its removal. On the other hand, anything is possible in a special episode that would be non-canon. That's the only solution I've found so far.

If instead of rewriting history, you just compete, like if you've already slept with the girl and she ignores you and always depresses you, you remember past memories or something like that so as not to rewrite history.

 

[Míster R]

Anything involving NTR or FutaxLi would be possible in a special episode/what if scenario.
But it would be non-canon.
I've reached the point where, between imagination and reality, I find it too complicated to justify a credible alternative scenario to justify NTR. That's why I announced its removal. On the other hand, anything is possible in a special episode that would be non-canon. That's the only solution I've found so far.

Yes, I like that XD
Something like, what if instead of Malcolm finding the alien, it was Lora who found it?

 

[c0mh1x]

Yes, I like that XD
Something like, what if instead of Malcolm finding the alien, it was Lora who found it?
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An idea I hadn't thought of, but which could be really nice indeed. That's the great thing about “what if” special episodes: almost anything is possible.

 

[mario01]

An idea I hadn't thought of, but which could be really nice indeed. That's the great thing about “what if” special episodes: almost anything is possible.

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[mario01]

An idea I hadn't thought of, but which could be really nice indeed. That's the great thing about “what if” special episodes: almost anything is possible.

What if you do it in RPG instead of Renpy?

 

[c0mh1x]

What if you do it in RPG instead of Renpy?

If I were to make a game with RPGM, it would be a heroic fantasy. But I find Renpy more suited to what I do. The only RPGMs I really liked are The Manor and Deamon Deals.