i remember a time when we got updates with new women all the way to bonnie like every month or other month. then we hit this 6 month stuff.
I really don't wanna be the white knight type but given the quality of the game and the fact that Teary is solo, doing art, code, music and scenario it's already impressive he went that far.
I honestly thought he was gonna give up the game at some point when it was fuuuull of bugs, i don't remember which version exactly but it was a complete mess. In the end he fixed nearly all the gamebreaking bugs, and even if there are still bugs it's clearly playable.
So he could even take one year off, i wouldn't care as long as he keeps his project going. ( and not doing that on purpose to milk the patreons ofc but that's the problem of many games which are sustained via this method )
I honestly thought he was gonna give up the game at some point when it was fuuuull of bugs, i don't remember which version exactly but it was a complete mess. In the end he fixed nearly all the gamebreaking bugs, and even if there are still bugs it's clearly playable.
So he could even take one year off, i wouldn't care as long as he keeps his project going. ( and not doing that on purpose to milk the patreons ofc but that's the problem of many games which are sustained via this method )
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I'm surprised he's not making more tbh. About $1,700 between Patreon and SubscribeStar which isn't bad but it makes me sad when there's guys like DarkCookie getting $100k a month for nothing.
Unfortunately, I do get it. At first glance, the art of the game seems kinda... off-putting. Once you see the full res version of the art, it's great! But when you see the thumbnails, it kinda seems like it's gonna be uncanny valley territory. Damned shame.
Agreed, but doesn't it raise significantly when an update drops ?
Like, i'm gonna take my own example, i know the value of money and even if i absolutely love his game i won't support until the next update drops.
100k a month is crazy btw i don't know this darkcookie guy but wow
EDIT : Oh yeah it's the dev of Summertime Saga. This kind of game is just mainstream compared to Katalist, and i think visual novels in general are optimal to make money out of a porn game as it requires less efforts to make.
There's also a game called Another Chance that i played cuz there was a bit of femdom and devs are making like 20k a month when the "gameplay" is abysmal and the story is mid at best, which is a shame for a cookie clicker visual novel.
So yeah a bit sad for teary but at least he's making a salary out of a femdom game. He should be happy about it
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yeah you're right about that ultimately its a really good game I'd even say amazing as i cant think about really many femdom games i want updated over this one and ill just be glad to see it finished in a good way. i think it was actually like something changed in the devs life with school or something that caused the delays if i remember. so cant really be all that mad as they went from no life deving on this to having shit to do. i dont think teary is like a bo wei just jacking his dick instead of actually doing shit and i cant really think of anything bad to say about how teary has handled the game other than wish they communicated a bit more. unfortunately i dont support anymore because i refuse to support anything that doesnt see updates at least every 2 months other than what i already support which honestly i probably need to look at again and see if i need to cancel some more stuff but ive been too lazy. been burned too many times on the monthly support going no where and stuff gettong randomly abandoned. i am greatful for those that do support it though. i will still buy a completed version when it actually launches. probably on like itch for like well over asking cost or if updates actually get back regular i would support. but thats just me. plus i usually support for like a month when the updates drop to just grab it early now that i think about it which is usually like 20 bucks each time.
yeah if that game makes anywhere near that then this game def deserves more as id take it over summertime anyday.
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It's a guesstimate based off him having almost 30k paid subscribers. He actually could be making way more.
If I was rich I would for sure pledge at the highest tier and try to stop toilet from winning every poll....
I agree on the communication part. I'm not aiming Teary in particular ( he even came on this thread before ) but the lack in communication with these projects which are kind of big we must say are hardly understandable. Even in a marketing point of view it's valuable to inform the subscribers/potential subscribers regularly.
To go back to Katalist yeah it absolutely smokes all these generic visual novels no doubts.
I played many games on this site ( maybe i'll need to touch grass btw ) and Katalist is probably the one that made me theorize the most. Idk if you guys noticed but the amount of hints, subtle dialogues, interactable and details is huge. The narrative is well done.
For example the lore around the sentinel tower is dense. I think i checked everything i could and i have a pretty clear idea of what's going on and what happened here thanks to all the details Teary gave.
Maybe i'll explain all of this shit if i'm not too lazy to write a wall of text
yeah the best i can describ
yeah the best i can describe it is its basically femdom persona with its own unique twists. very in depth.I agree on the communication part. I'm not aiming Teary in particular ( he even came on this thread before ) but the lack in communication with these projects which are kind of big we must say are hardly understandable. Even in a marketing point of view it's valuable to inform the subscribers/potential subscribers regularly.
To go back to Katalist yeah it absolutely smokes all these generic visual novels no doubts.
I played many games on this site ( maybe i'll need to touch grass btw ) and Katalist is probably the one that made me theorize the most. Idk if you guys noticed but the amount of hints, subtle dialogues, interactable and details is huge. The narrative is well done.
For example the lore around the sentinel tower is dense. I think i checked everything i could and i have a pretty clear idea of what's going on and what happened here thanks to all the details Teary gave.
Maybe i'll explain all of this shit if i'm not too lazy to write a wall of text
Do it, I love walls of text about lore theoriesFor example the lore around the sentinel tower is dense. I think i checked everything i could and i have a pretty clear idea of what's going on and what happened here thanks to all the details Teary gave.
Maybe i'll explain all of this shit if i'm not too lazy to write a wall of text
How could I find all key fragments in old housing facility? I could only find four of them in v0.097.2
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Yes, I have found one in this room, and one in the well, others were found on the second floor, but I just can't find all of them.
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Okay so here's the wall of text about the Sentinel tower lore. Maybe everything I will write will prove to be wrong but I tried to reason according to every hints Teary put in the game while not overthinking things
To keep things structured I will first give analysis on the events we saw before giving conclusions or theories :
Let's start with the "Rampage". The rampage is the name Alex uses to qualify what Julia ( the bloody girl ) did when the MC fell under the tower for the first time. She basically killed and ate every living entity down there except Alex, the MC and Ki ( the lost silent boy ) if you chose to save him. It's confirmed by Alex that they are the last living things in this section. ( except when you inspect some cells in the "kitchen", it says there are people in it so it might be an inconsistency ) After that, Alex cures Julia's current state. When interacting with the latter, we can see that she's... normal. She feels guilty and is most likely traumatized about killing all these people. She probably has a hard time remembering the events. Before getting to the interesting part of her explaining how it happened, it's interesting to note a dialogue from Alex, when you question her about her role in this mess.
She answers that she has to "fix" the "rampages" whenever they get out of hands. It's important to note that she says fix, and not PREVENT. As if it was... normal for the rampages to happen.
That's where the explanation of Julia is even more interesting and understandable. Julia explains that soon after her start at the college she was brought here under the tower and that the last place she saw was Allan's office. Allan apologized for doing this and then, while Julia was blindfolded there was Miss Cho ( a "teacher" who is not often saw at school ) who started repeating things in her ears. She spoke about various things : "let go of the control", "eat",You have to be "watered", You have to "grow", and the most interesting thing she said is that a catalyst was near, and that she ( Julia ) had to be ready to serve Niht. ( I'll explain later but this Catalyst is Miki at 99% )
So what can we assume knowing all of this ?
The first thing that comes to mind is the fact Julia was almost possessed while doing her rampage. It wasn't her wish to kill everyone. Yet she did, and while we could say it was an accident we have enough elements to guess it's probably not the case. Miss Cho spoke about how she needed to EAT, to GROW, to be WATERED. She treats her like a kind of plant. But... Instead of watering her with actual water, we can imagine she had to water her with blood. Hence why she pushed her to consume all of the peoples down here, and that also explains why Allan was apologizing. He probably knew what was going to happen but as the character said himself he has his "hands tied."
Now to go more in depth, we need to know what is a "Nihtling" in this story. Dominic's diary informs us that Niht is a primordial God, on of the most ancient of the world. His powers is manifested by blood and nails. We have no idea what this entity is or want but he doesn't seem friendly at all. The Nihtlings, who are some kind of progeny or "childs" of him, also inherits more or less of his magic. Walter ( the student who tried to kill the MC before he was resurrected again by the succubus possessing him ) is seen using bloody nails while trying to kill MC.
The principal, is litteraly nailed down to her chair. There is also a cult room under the tower where people prayed him. It's easy to see the Nihtlings of the school who also seem responsible for what happened at the Sentinel tower are some kind of a cult/fanatics.
There are these mysterious pearls also. Teary left less hints about that. The big informations we have about this is that Walter, IS a pearl. It's written in his character info. ( you can also notice he's munching his cravat in his splash art. He's HUNGRY, he has to EAT ) So we do know pearls can become Nihtlings. We also know they can become "failed pearls", a pile of meat searching to eat... Human bones, and even walls. We have no clue about where those pearls are from but they can produce Nihtlings, and seem to grow by drinking blood and eating themselves, in fact the same words are used for the growth of pearls as for the already adults Nithlings, such as Julia. There is also mention of deprecated pearls.
With all of this in mind, the blood, the nails, the cult, the pearls... I think Teary went with the thematic of the sacrifice with the Nihtlings. And while succubuses need to suck people's energy to grow stronger, Nihtlings could be needing to EAT people, or maybe suck the blood to grow. That could explain the stuff Cho was saying "grow, you need watering, eat etc..." and this is also words which come back regularly in the tower, on the interactable such as the notes in the kitchen, the .txt on the PCs etc... the process of "watering" plants ( who are in fact Nihtlings probably ) and the fact the foodstock in the kitchen was full of blood and is also the spot where we found Ki shows that some flesh was on the plate of the canteen. ( Unrelated, it's also good to know that Ki is a human in the character info. He's the only human related to the tower, he's called "deprecated" by the nihtlinngs. Are the deprecated former Nihtlings who lost their powers ? )
All of this shit seems to have been planned, as if Cho wanted Julia to actually eat everyone ( not sure about the staff tho, maybe her rampage went too far ) to grow.
When you check characters status you can now see julia is a "Night Walker". Beatrice, and the dude with the glasses are also Night Walkers. Trent is probably one too. There are chances that "Night walkers" are an "elite" type of Nihtlings and that the purpose of the sections under the tower is to create those ones. Not sure why Trent Beatrice and the others aren't traumatized like Julia tho.
To conclude this essay we can link all of this stuff with the event of Miki's disappeareance. A female Nithling came to the tower to meet Miki. She smelled her and noticed she was a succubus, then asked if she was Noo ( Noo probably played a part in the Nithling schemes ) to conclude Miki was indeed what she's been searching for. We must keep in mind that Miki was not summoned in the tower randomly. Someone ( probably a nithling ) used the ritual of Dominic to lock her in the tower, so since the beggining of the game she was a captive. They already knew Miki was a... Catalyst. So the woman called her superiors and they most likely brought Miki to the school to achieve something. How do we know Miki is a Catalyst ? First, Cho said to Julia that a Catalyst was near. Then we know Miki is an hybrid Succubus/nithling. And well, if you come to Sentinel tower after Miki has vanished, you can interact with a lot of little spirits where she was staying who are saying very interesting stuff. One of them straight up says somehting like "A perfect catalyst. Niht will be pleased." and another says "If she's your friend, take her away before they do". That leaves no room for doubts. In other maps others spirits say stuff like "Niht is back, i'm relieved" or they don't understand they're dead. I won't extend too much on that but there are chances that these spirits are mainly the people Julia killed recently and they know what's going on.
Here comes the conclusion : Considering all the elements we have, it comes naturally to mind that the Nihtlings just want... To "resurrect" or summon Niht himself. Judging by the dialogues, he is already there but maybe he needs a body or a ritual to come back permanently. Here comes the principal. How could she not play a role in this ? She's the highest member we know in their organisation. She's nailed down to her chair, deblatering enigmatic stuff except one sentence : "How long will they take ?" We can assume she's waiting for her underlings, the Nithlings of the school to achieve the ritual or whatever they planned. The fact that she's waiting, nailed down like this makes me think her body could host Niht. They needed Miki and probably other stuff done ( maybe Nithlings sacrifices ? ) and where the story stop it feels like they are almost done.
Phew writing so much about a porn game make you question your life. If someone has the willpower to read this, don't hesitate to tell me what you think about it already !
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really Goated for sure. interesting perspective. I doubt the need to feed on blood side of things, but it wouldn't suprise me if powers come from blood maybe for niht.or niht worshipers want to do some sort of blood sacrifice ritual. not sure how that will get sexyfied tho. there's a lot of different groups tho. faries witches succubus whatever the school groups are... etc surely it all weaves into one tapestry somehow. they might just want to reincarnate niht into someone's body or something who knows. will have to see . I doubt we've even seen clues for actual endgame boss. this game had the potential to go down so many more tunnels.
btw anyone else disappointed principle was nailed like she was. tbh was kinda hoping she'd be a big mature baddie.