VN Unity Netorase Phone [v0.24.1] [Le Stag]

[hlfwaycrks]

I couldnt agree more that i think if done correctly this game could 180 right back into the spotlight it deserved to be in, I think one thing he should do, and le stag will do what he wants of course its his game, but hes edging everyone with what they want like creampies for example and in its place giving us 23 filler episodes like we are watching naruto suddenly see sasuke for the first time in 2 years, then all of a sudden its a shino vs the akatsuki arc just so we can see sasuke again in 6 months. Idk if that makes sense but thats the analogy im going with. Less filler, just continue the story its a VN at its core, not an anime needing 996 episodes.

I've not watched Naruto, so I don't directly understand your analogy, but I understand the character of it. With that being said, a couple of thoughts: While I absolutely do want my very-dom MC to go to town on a creampie left in Laura by Nathan, for MC-Laura-Nathan (or another bull TBD) to have a threeway with some DP action, and more, I've also in the past advocated for inserting more depth-building into the chapters, things that would immerse the player as being in this relationship with Laura that actually feels real, by adding in more romance, having recaps of sex between MC & Laura, having recap pictures of a walk in the park, funny inside jokes, a pic where MC gave Laura a headpat once and they recollect about it...

Stuff like that -- all of that would add to the immersion and feeling that the relationship that Laura & MC have is something special and real, and from that we have a better springboard to jump off of into deeper realms of sexual encounters, because the trust between Laura and the MC is there, we KNOW that they love each other and trust each other, not just by like some text message that's like, "haha I love you babe you know you can trust me with anything right? xx" but instead by seeing it and knowing as the MC, "damn, as the MC, I'm in this serious relationship with Laura that has this real trust and foundation" and something that we can believe and feel immersed in. That's what I want to be offered by this game... and I know it's a huge ask, but I hope that the 0.13 rewrites at least move SOMEWHAT in that direction. And hey, if we can get some hot and dirty shit, I'll be happy with that too!

 

[kikomascado]

I dunno, I'm still having fun but it all feels like it's missing opportunities.

I still really like it and the game is still on the top of my list, but sometimes I also feel like some scenes had more potential.
My main complaint would be that Oliver, aside from the occasional trashtalk, seems to be just like Nathan. The sex and pictures seems exactly the same, instead of something a little more rought, kinky or slutty. I don't even like him, but I was expecting some different take when doing the deed.
And I also wished there were more teasing from Ashley before the real deal. Like she sending some past PoV sucking and licking pictures, on clearly different days and different dicks, and also give us the "blowjob" with an fleshlight. I do want to fuck Ashley, but the buildup and progression are just as fun as the end goal!

TLR: this was a waste of time. Thanks for nothing.

While everyone is entitled to their own opinion, I don't think any of the things you wanted were ever on the table.
These type of conflicts while could be a nice addition on some games, this one doesn't see the type to do that and probably the dev never even considered it. Hahaha

Cream pie eating, another item on the ole' wish list...

I love cumplay, it doesn't even need to be another man's (that's just a bonus), but unfortunately I see very few of male cum eating, and sometimes it's execlusive to femdom-like scenes.

I've not watched Naruto, so I don't directly understand your analogy, but I understand the character of it. With that being said, a couple of thoughts: While I absolutely do want my very-dom MC to go to town on a creampie left in Laura by Nathan, for MC-Laura-Nathan (or another bull TBD) to have a threeway with some DP action, and more, I've also in the past advocated for inserting more depth-building into the chapters, things that would immerse the player as being in this relationship with Laura that actually feels real, by adding in more romance, having recaps of sex between MC & Laura, having recap pictures of a walk in the park, funny inside jokes, a pic where MC gave Laura a headpat once and they recollect about it...

Stuff like that -- all of that would add to the immersion and feeling that the relationship that Laura & MC have is something special and real, and from that we have a better springboard to jump off of into deeper realms of sexual encounters, because the trust between Laura and the MC is there, we KNOW that they love each other and trust each other, not just by like some text message that's like, "haha I love you babe you know you can trust me with anything right? xx" but instead by seeing it and knowing as the MC, "damn, as the MC, I'm in this serious relationship with Laura that has this real trust and foundation" and something that we can believe and feel immersed in. That's what I want to be offered by this game... and I know it's a huge ask, but I hope that the 0.13 rewrites at least move SOMEWHAT in that direction. And hey, if we can get some hot and dirty shit, I'll be happy with that too!

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The contrast of your girl being a slut when having sex and also needing some lovey dovey cuddling is awesome.
I really hope we do see more of their interactions, be it on dates (and maybe throw in some exhibitionism) or when fucking, using Laura while she have some evidence of past encounters!

 

[hlfwaycrks]

I still really like it and the game is still on the top of my list, but sometimes I also feel like some scenes had more potential.
My main complaint would be that Oliver, aside from the occasional trashtalk, seems to be just like Nathan. The sex and pictures seems exactly the same, instead of something a little more rought, kinky or slutty. I don't even like him, but I was expecting some different take when doing the deed.
And I also wished there were more teasing from Ashley before the real deal. Like she sending some past PoV sucking and licking pictures, on clearly different days and different dicks, and also give us the "blowjob" with an fleshlight. I do want to fuck Ashley, but the buildup and progression are just as fun as the end goal!


While everyone is entitled to their own opinion, I don't think any of the things you wanted were ever on the table.
These type of conflicts while could be a nice addition on some games, this one doesn't see the type to do that and probably the dev never even considered it. Hahaha


I love cumplay, it doesn't even need to be another man's (that's just a bonus), but unfortunately I see very few of male cum eating, and sometimes it's execlusive to femdom-like scenes.

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The contrast of your girl being a slut when having sex and also needing some lovey dovey cuddling is awesome.
I really hope we do see more of their interactions, be it on dates (and maybe throw in some exhibitionism) or when fucking, using Laura while she have some evidence of past encounters!

What can I say, when I dream, I dream big but yes, I agree about the cumplay stuff, it's almost entirely contained within femdom OR submissive styles of play, even though I see it as something dominant (well, I should say rather, I can see it being done in multiple ways, some in which would be submissive, some in which would be dominant). It's not the most popular niche of sexuality, so I can understand why it's not included in like every game out there, but it definitely should be implemented more in my opinion.

Regardless, I'm just hopeful for the future and just trusting in our handy-dandy-dev, Le Stag, to continue to improve this amazing game and hopefully put together this new path in such a way that makes players like me happy!

 

[Turret]

Yeah, we all have different limits and kinks, but you had stated that the action itself is sub behavior, which isn't true.
If Laura is the one pushing it on us, yeah, if we do it out of our own volition, no.
That's what rubbed me the wrong way on the update. Laura sleeping in another guy's house and not telling us how the sex went, if it was already agreed upon, even thought I probably would still dislike it, wouldn't be so bad on itself. But the fact we could only just accept it all was the issue for me.
In my opinion just some small text rewrites could improve the scenes, without making the MC feel so powerless.

My problem with the scene on the Dom and balanced paths so many discuss about is simply that is was not talked about beforehand, even if she would have just called from Nathan´s flat that she is really tired, should she come home now (as long as she can still drive) or stay the night. I have no problems with her staying a night if you both discussed and agreed on it. Beside in this case it was also the safer option, driving when you are deadtired is reckless.
Like you, my problem here is just that on dom/balanced paths we were forced to accept it.

Exactly. I honestly thought people would enjoy this chapter. The reactions surprised me. But hey, that's life, I'll strive to make everything better.

I certainly enjoyed the new chapter! It is just some nuances that feel off. As has been mentioned so often that you have to accept on the dom/balanced paths that Laura stays the night and Nathan tells you what happened. As I told kikomascado just above, I have no problems with Laura staying over if that was discussed beforehand, beforehand the operating word here. Even if she already arrived at Nathan´s flat, that would have been enough.
Such a discussion could also have the option of the MC being the one telling Laura to stay the night, due to her being too tired to drive safely. I am sure more than one player of the dom/balanced routes would have welcomed the option to choose(!) letting Laura stay the night if we discussed it earlier in the day or at least when she arrived at Nathan and felt that she had overloaded her day.
But forcing the player to accept Laura staying the night and Nathan telling you stuff naturely did not sit well with those players on dom/balanced paths, since here the player was overrolled. On the sub paths, that functions and fits very well, but on dom/balanced path some form of choice fits far better.

 

[Sanon441]

My problem with the scene on the Dom and balanced paths so many discuss about is simply that is was not talked about beforehand, even if she would have just called from Nathan´s flat that she is really tired, should she come home now (as long as she can still drive) or stay the night. I have no problems with her staying a night if you both discussed and agreed on it. Beside in this case it was also the safer option, driving when you are deadtired is reckless.
Like you, my problem here is just that on dom/balanced paths we were forced to accept it.

I certainly enjoyed the new chapter! It is just some nuances that feel off. As has been mentioned so often that you have to accept on the dom/balanced paths that Laura stays the night and Nathan tells you what happened. As I told kikomascado just above, I have no problems with Laura staying over if that was discussed beforehand, beforehand the operating word here. Even if she already arrived at Nathan´s flat, that would have been enough.
Such a discussion could also have the option of the MC being the one telling Laura to stay the night, due to her being too tired to drive safely. I am sure more than one player of the dom/balanced routes would have welcomed the option to choose(!) letting Laura stay the night if we discussed it earlier in the day or at least when she arrived at Nathan and felt that she had overloaded her day.
But forcing the player to accept Laura staying the night and Nathan telling you stuff naturely did not sit well with those players on dom/balanced paths, since here the player was overrolled. On the sub paths, that functions and fits very well, but on dom/balanced path some form of choice fits far better.

I think even a sub path player could have a problem with Laura forgetting to take pictures and needing the bulls to do it for her, and not giving the recap. Those are two of the key factors they agreed on early on that she didn't live up too.

 

[Turret]

I think even a sub path player could have a problem with Laura forgetting to take pictures and needing the bulls to do it for her, and not giving the recap. Those are two of the key factors they agreed on early on that she didn't live up too.

Agreed, but I think that impacts only those sub path players which are already close to balanced routes, not those on fully sub routes. Still, I see the problem you have, since Laura was "forgetting" to take pictures, not tellling the bulls to do it for her. I theorise that if Laura told e.g. Nathan to take the pictures for her, that would have a very different feel to she forgot and only because the bull wanted pics there are any at all.

 

[Chamika niroshan]

This game keep crash in my phone. So i buy new phone because of this game. looks like i fucking love this game LOL

 

[DV93]

I really hope this game turns around, but I agree with a lot of the criticism... though some of it is clearly fans of hard netorare wanting the netorase game to be netorare. I much prefer the swinging, sharing route, with no humiliation... and it can be so AWKWARD to try to aim for that route. Sometimes it feels like the difference between two emojis is enough to make you more of a cuck even when it clashes with the vibes you had built till then.

My advice to Le Stag would be to hold off on making more than one or two more chapters, and instead go back and revise a lot of the writing and dialogue, especially what the player can say. It also feels like so much dialogue is re-used for both routes that despite being in one or the other, and selecting every single dom or sub response accurately, you'll STILL wind up getting sub dialogue. Honestly, it half feels like Le Stag named the game Netorase Phone and belatedly realized he kinda prefers Netorare, so he's toeing the line while only passive aggressively putting in more dom stuff by demand. It is ONLY because people are complaining that he's even doing any rewrites, it feels like.

And I'd like for the dom/sub toggle to come back in the options, or for some toggle that, if you're gonna keep message responses so vague, puts a little icon at the corner of each dialogue choice that tells us if it's a dom or sub response. That'd be immersion breaking, but frankly, it's already wildly immersion breaking how Ashley changes her personality based on an emoji.

 

[ass234]

I've also in the past advocated for inserting more depth-building into the chapters, things that would immerse the player as being in this relationship with Laura that actually feels real, by adding in more romance, having recaps of sex between MC & Laura, having recap pictures of a walk in the park, funny inside jokes, a pic where MC gave Laura a headpat once and they recollect about it...

There already is stuff like that in the game, there are interludes about Laura talking about past dates with pics of it, there is even an entire chapter dedicated to recapping a weekend trip they went on in the past. There's even multiple interludes of Laura talking about the times they have had sex and sent the aftermath pics to you. These things are all in the game already.

 

[kialera]

Still no hero to post the latest version for windows?

 

[ass234]

I really hope this game turns around, but I agree with a lot of the criticism... though some of it is clearly fans of hard netorare wanting the netorase game to be netorare. I much prefer the swinging, sharing route, with no humiliation... and it can be so AWKWARD to try to aim for that route. Sometimes it feels like the difference between two emojis is enough to make you more of a cuck even when it clashes with the vibes you had built till then.

My advice to Le Stag would be to hold off on making more than one or two more chapters, and instead go back and revise a lot of the writing and dialogue, especially what the player can say. It also feels like so much dialogue is re-used for both routes that despite being in one or the other, and selecting every single dom or sub response accurately, you'll STILL wind up getting sub dialogue. Honestly, it half feels like Le Stag named the game Netorase Phone and belatedly realized he kinda prefers Netorare, so he's toeing the line while only passive aggressively putting in more dom stuff by demand. It is ONLY because people are complaining that he's even doing any rewrites, it feels like.

And I'd like for the dom/sub toggle to come back in the options, or for some toggle that, if you're gonna keep message responses so vague, puts a little icon at the corner of each dialogue choice that tells us if it's a dom or sub response. That'd be immersion breaking, but frankly, it's already wildly immersion breaking how Ashley changes her personality based on an emoji.

The sub messages are red and the dom messages are blue, game already has what youre asking for i think, in fact Ashley does talk to you differently as her messages can be red or blue with different text. If youre referring to how to know which path you want to take on, there is "gaming mode" toggle in the options that will tell you if the choice you make will set you down on a specific path, ie. it will say this will be dom/sub path, this will stop Ashley teasing you, etc.

 

[flies12]

Agreed, but I think that impacts only those sub path players which are already close to balanced routes, not those on fully sub routes. Still, I see the problem you have, since Laura was "forgetting" to take pictures, not tellling the bulls to do it for her. I theorise that if Laura told e.g. Nathan to take the pictures for her, that would have a very different feel to she forgot and only because the bull wanted pics there are any at all.

That's not really a bad thing though because that sets up some conflict or drama. Laura getting sloppy on the rules could literally be a storyline for the game to follow, something to add some interpersonal drama and lets the game be more than random sex scenes again, but instead everyone turned it into this "ntr vs nts" thing instead of allowing the dev to cook and potentially do something interesting with the story. This happened pretty much every time something that could turn into something more than a one-off has popped up.

 

[Turret]

That's not really a bad thing though because that sets up some conflict or drama. Laura getting sloppy on the rules could literally be a storyline for the game to follow, something to add some interpersonal drama and lets the game be more than random sex scenes again, but instead everyone turned it into this "ntr vs nts" thing instead of allowing the dev to cook and potentially do something interesting with the story. This happened pretty much every time something that could turn into something more than a one-off has popped up.

I see your point. It is unfortunate that "NTS vs. NTR" popped up, but it is nearly inevitable since the hardcore NTR crowd tries to raid practically any game with sharing/swinging and turn it into NTR. Why the hell can they not stay away? There are tons of NTR games on F95, the number of welldone NTS games is far smaller and we NTS fans have to save those few.

NTR in a game where it does not belong does not make a game better, it makes it just deader!

We already have more than enough posts in the thread where it is "suggested" that Laura starts cheating and humiliating the MC, you have to nip that in the bud.

 

[ass234]

That's not really a bad thing though because that sets up some conflict or drama. Laura getting sloppy on the rules could literally be a storyline for the game to follow, something to add some interpersonal drama and lets the game be more than random sex scenes again, but instead everyone turned it into this "ntr vs nts" thing instead of allowing the dev to cook and potentially do something interesting with the story. This happened pretty much every time something that could turn into something more than a one-off has popped up.

Dev has said he doesnt want drama between MC and Laura, more like Drama between a bad bull and Laura and how the couple comes together. He has said he doesnt want to cause feelings of dread or anxiety in the game. The whole point of the game is to show a functional and healthy open relationship, not drama and anger. Plus he wasnt cooking that interaction as the MC was A -OK with it and didnt have any problem regardless of what the player felt. He takes player feedback seriously which is a fresh change of pace.

 

[nickohoma]

I think part of the issue is that MC is written as 100% ok and enthusiastic about anything Laura wants to do. While some players (yo) like the game, but are still hesitant to accept some stuff. So when MC is cool with stuff the player is not, it's jarring. Call it breaking suspension of disbelief, immersion breaking, whatever. But in the writer's mind Laura's actions are 100% fine, so he doesn't see why there would be conflict.

Here's a minor example. I 100% do not expect this to ever change, and I can live with it, but it's a negative moment in my mind. Kudos to Le Stag for making Oliver optional after the first encounter. After you tell Laura you don't like him, Laura tells you she does like him, and that he's really a nice guy. She eventually relents, but the conversation is written in a way that the player is taking something that Laura wants away from her. Anyone who starts down that conversation tree has already probably already decided they want him gone, so it strikes me as unnecessary drama. Probably 100% unintended, but there it is.

 

[hlfwaycrks]

There already is stuff like that in the game, there are interludes about Laura talking about past dates with pics of it, there is even an entire chapter dedicated to recapping a weekend trip they went on in the past. There's even multiple interludes of Laura talking about the times they have had sex and sent the aftermath pics to you. These things are all in the game already.

As I said across my last few messages, 1) I've advocated for the inclusion of stuff like that previously, and 2) I haven't played the game in several updates and am waiting for 0.13 before playing again. It's great that stuff like this was added in, and I hope it's enough to where it achieves the purpose of why I was advocating for it in the first place.

 

[Sanon441]

There already is stuff like that in the game, there are interludes about Laura talking about past dates with pics of it, there is even an entire chapter dedicated to recapping a weekend trip they went on in the past. There's even multiple interludes of Laura talking about the times they have had sex and sent the aftermath pics to you. These things are all in the game already.

The problem with the interludes is that they are completely random and they had been getting added like crazy. like 10+ every update and you only get one or maybe 2 between chapters. several are only available after certain points and it's just wild. My last full playthrough I only had like 5 pop up total and I know there are a shit ton of possible. It's easy to miss that content that this guy wants unless you play over and over again.

 

[hlfwaycrks]

The problem with the interludes is that they are completely random and they had been getting added like crazy. like 10+ every update and you only get one or maybe 2 between chapters. several are only available after certain points and it's just wild. My last full playthrough I only had like 5 pop up total and I know there are a shit ton of possible. It's easy to miss that content that this guy wants unless you play over and over again.

I didn't realize that could've played into it as well. I'm hoping that, when I do play the very dom path after 0.13, that I will experience these things that add to the immersion/reality of the relationship

 

[kikomascado]

And I'd like for the dom/sub toggle to come back in the options

Yeah, I don't know why it was removed. Some game have toggles in the options for if deviate from the route you want.
It would be really helpful, specially because rollback is not a thing in this game and the saving/loading for replaying is kinda rought.

There already is stuff like that in the game, there are interludes about Laura talking about past dates with pics of it, there is even an entire chapter dedicated to recapping a weekend trip they went on in the past. There's even multiple interludes of Laura talking about the times they have had sex and sent the aftermath pics to you. These things are all in the game already.

Well, to be fair the point already stands. We have some snippets of it, but 1) most of them are random events and 2) most of them are past events, before the sharing begun, so I also think we should have more of it, like they going into present dates and more photos of the sex after she come back from the bulls.

That's not really a bad thing though because that sets up some conflict or drama. Laura getting sloppy on the rules could literally be a storyline for the game to follow, something to add some interpersonal drama and lets the game be more than random sex scenes again, but instead everyone turned it into this "ntr vs nts" thing instead of allowing the dev to cook and potentially do something interesting with the story. This happened pretty much every time something that could turn into something more than a one-off has popped up.

I don't think the drama was ever intended, and it won't have drama if the MC just accepts anything Laura throws at him.
Like I've already said before, this kind of conflict can be really good to advancing the plot on a more story focused game, but I don't think this is it.

The problem with the interludes is that they are completely random and they had been getting added like crazy. like 10+ every update and you only get one or maybe 2 between chapters. several are only available after certain points and it's just wild. My last full playthrough I only had like 5 pop up total and I know there are a shit ton of possible. It's easy to miss that content that this guy wants unless you play over and over again.

I didn't realize that could've played into it as well. I'm hoping that, when I do play the very dom path after 0.13, that I will experience these things that add to the immersion/reality of the relationship

Yeah, for me these random events are one of the worst elements the Dev added. Every update I can't see all content, and with the non implementation of QoL features that are already a staple on Ren,Py games, like skip, rollback, quick save/load, infinite slots, right click menu, it makes really to try and get other routes.
Even with the fast forward active the text is not that fast, and it's even worse that when the game is not in focus it is paused automatically, so you can't do anything while waiting for the game to progress...

 

[duckydoodoo]

I hate emoji's. Not sure what I am actually saying in game when i click one, so i click them arbitrarily. cept the hearts one, whenever MC gf says i love you and MC is given the option to reply the same back I choose the hearts instead. cause i like the idea of going through the whole game with the MC never having actually said he loves the gf.