I'm with you man I've always preferred Ashley, so glad she got real scenes this update. This scene with the ass jiggle from side to side when she's stirring and the assjob have been watched too many times to count now.I think I officially prefer Ashley to Leslie's I've replayed the scene at least 7 timesView attachment 4497135 View attachment 4497137
RPGM Demon Deals [v0.07c] [Breadman Games]
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I would agree, but I almost passed out when I saw leslie eat that cock like it was a candy, its kinda sad to think that breadman already gave us the best scene in the whole game, I cant think on something that will surpass that..I think I officially prefer Ashley to Leslie's I've replayed the scene at least 7 times
(Im kidding breadman, It just was too much)
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Next family update (7.5) is likely going to focus on Cassie and her conundrum revealed in 6.5. This is, of course, huge copium on my part because I need more Cassie content.
But yea I imagine Leslie will continue with her slow burn stuff so some content might be more of what we’ve already gotten (BJ, TF, fingering, etc) but different angles/settings.
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This is super late, but I was clearing out some of the clutter in my files and found this:
And it caused a wrinkle in my brain to twitch, and I did some sleuthing via the search bar. Then, I found this comment that I made some time before v0.06.5 came out:
All this to say, I have been fucking vindicated. I don't even know if that's the right word for what I'm feeling, but goddammit, it's the most appropriate word I can think of. Nostradamus can eat my ass.
Anyway, I'm looking forward to the next update.
And it caused a wrinkle in my brain to twitch, and I did some sleuthing via the search bar. Then, I found this comment that I made some time before v0.06.5 came out:
And I looked at the reactions and saw this:
All this to say, I have been fucking vindicated. I don't even know if that's the right word for what I'm feeling, but goddammit, it's the most appropriate word I can think of. Nostradamus can eat my ass.
Anyway, I'm looking forward to the next update.
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As a man of class and elegance, I would say it is not about the act, but the context.
So I hope to see a lot of interesting and daring scenarios as Leslie gets more uninhibited and horny for MC. Hidden segs anyone? wink wink.
I'm also looking forward to Cassie, I feel like we are on the cusp of figuring out what makes her tick (other than the MC massive shlong, but that is a given for every gal that meets the beast).
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Really enjoyed the game so far. The artstyle is not my favorite, and more critically I think that there's some pretty bad "same-face syndrome" with the older women specifically. However, the characters are surprisingly cute beneath the mountains of boobs. Leslie and Ashley are particularly charming.
I was very surprised by the generally well written slow-burn between the MC and Leslie. They feel rational, their emotions are communicated well, and it makes for a much more engaging and sexy story. Not every character gets as much of a proper personality and story arc (Candice is probably the most dissapointing so far) but Ashley, Cassie, and Sabrina feel real enough to care about.
On Sabrina - there were two important things missing from the conflict in the library after Sabrina's failed summoning. The first is that Sabrina is aware that John just attempted to mind-whammy her, and the second is that Sabrina is refusing to work with John after she endangered his life and his mother's. Sabrina's defensive personality is fine - nothing to touch there, but the story needs a way for John to breach her walls and right now she basically does a complete 180 after he... rescues her stuffed animal. Even worse, Lilith basically gives it to him, so we're doubling down on him cheating through this situation. The development between the two characters doesn't feel earned. It's humorous and that fits in the tone of the game, but considering how abrasive she was up until this point, and the points I mentioned, I don't believe they should be buddy-buddy over a doll.
Sabrina yells at him as she runs out of the library that she doesn't need his or anybody else's help. I latched onto that when I read it; she just botched a summoning, almost got raped and killed, and loosed a group of demons onto the public. She should be confronted with this; John has a very good reason to want to know what she's doing, why she's doing it, and what she knows. He has no guarantee that she isn't going to go and summon an even bigger demon and unleash a bigger mess (and that is in fact exactly what she's planning to do.) I wanted to see John force Sabrina to realize how badly she screwed up, because that very naturally leads her into having a reason to cooperate with John, who has already made a deal with a demon and can provide insight and muscle into what she's doing.
The mind-whammy works in two directions here. For one, it does indicate that John is "legit" and might actually bring something to a partnership. On the flip side, he used it on Sabrina, or at least attempted to. This should be a bigger deal; I don't think it was really commented on after she flipped out on him at first. I don't remember exactly what he was trying to do with it, but if my memory is correct and he was trying to figure out what she was doing, then he can make the argument that he was trying to protect himself/his mother, or even that he's trying to help her so that she doesn't go botch another summoning. He could say that it's involuntary and manifests when his emotions are running high. All of these at least have some element of the truth to them, if the goal is to protray John as at least somewhat heroic.
All in all, I think some minor dialogue edits and inserts into that scene would go a long way to make their partnership feel genuine and earned.
There is another scene that I wanted to point out: John asks Leslie to give him a BJ/swallow after she wakes him up, and she comes to her senses and gets angry with John and with herself. She is still angry when they meet again in the evening (or the following day?) and she chastises John for wanting her to do "disgusting things" and asks why he wants to "degrade" his mother. John's response (possibly in a later conversation?) is that he's sorry, that he understands that she has boundaries and that he respects those, that he doesn't want her to do anything she doesn't want to herself, and that he understands that there are lines that they cannot cross. Leslie angrily asks if that means that he wanted her to want to do those things, to which, IIRC, he apologizes again.
I don't like this. John's reaction to this argument is cursing himself for saying something so stupid; it fits for an extremely horny young guy to feel like the mistake was simply putting his foot in his mouth, but it still falls short of the standard for his characterization IMO. I definitely do not like the fact that John is basically lying in his apology to Leslie. It's true that he doesn't want to force his mother into any of this, that much is fine, but there is nothing in this story that has led me to believe that he doesn't desire and intend to go all the way with his mother. There are no lines he does not intend to cross; he has pushed and pushed with all the other women. Aunt Cassie is a perfect example; he lies at first saying that he has no sexual intentions, exploits his "illness" (curse) and powers of suggestion, and by the end of the current update, is smirking down at her while she sucks his dick. Furthermore, John knows that even if he doesn't want to cross those lines, his situation with Lilith means that his power to prevent that from happening is limited. He knows that Leslie's own boundaries are liable to corruption. One way or another, it is an empty promise.
My issue with the empty promise isn't really a moral one - this is a porn story about a guy who made a pact with a demon - but that of characterization and story-telling. This lie isn't out of character for John persay, but there are plenty of other things he has said and done that made me feel like this course is at least not the only possible one he could have taken. I also think that it is the least interesting; is this just a pause on the current course? Is this a crude way to stretch out the will-they-won't-they phase?
John loves Leslie. He does not like his father. He does not appreciate the way his father treats Leslie or Ashley, and he has already made a point of telling Leslie that he is frustrated that she's taken his father's criticism of her body to heart (referencing her considering getting a breast reduction.) Time and time again, John has praised Leslie's beauty and displayed his desire for her sexuality. That scene with "Dr. Faust" comes to mind; John hyper-focuses on Leslie and very obviously lusts after her. So when Leslie says that she is upset that he wants her to degrade herself by doing disgusting, sexual things with him, he should absolutely be protesting. Everything she's done for him has made him happy, their intimacy has made him love her even more and John wants her to feel the same way. Nothing about their "situation" has been degrading and disgusting to him; he doesn't see her as a terrible mother or disgusting woman for trying to help him with what she believes is a serious medical condition, nor for pleasuring him in privacy. While it would probably be stupid to say this, I think John should at least think to himself that her calling herself a disgusting slut for being intimate is his father speaking through her.
I think the scene can basically end the same way as it does in the game. There doesn't need to be some long monologue for this to work, just some protest from John that he doesn't think that she's awful for doing this for him, that he loves her even more after this intimacy, that he's sad that she has felt so guilty about doing something he was enjoying, and that regrets saying something that made her feel that way. No longer than what is currently in the game, and effectively ends the same way: with Leslie relaxing, feeling like she blew up at im, and remembering that John really has tried to be good to her.
Finally, something that isn't really critique and more just venting. Demon Deals is not an adventure story where we get to chose what John is like and where the outcomes of the story are at least implied to be the player's choice. As such, I can't really criticize it as a piece of media for this... trope... the same way I would for a VN or whatever. But I absolutely hate when games suddenly take control away from me, hand the MC the idiot ball, and make me watch the train wreck that unfolds. John's interactions with Brenda are kind of irritating in general; there's no real reason or strategy behind his needling, she just pisses him off and he does something childish to get back at her. It is a little ridiculous to see this kind of behavior from an 18-19 year old, but I've seen people much older than that do worse than John when someone pushed their buttons. It's frustrating to me, but I wouldn't criticize it as bad writing by any means.
But holy fuck is it frustrating! He wants to - he needs to fuck these women. John's explicit goal, as stated by the man himself, is to eventually break Brenda in and fuck her. So it's not just empty antagonism here; John does want something out of her, but after blackmailing her, he continues to mouth off and antagonize her? I don't even think it's cheap to criticize his behavior after being shown that she's recording him. Why are you blabbing about robbing and blackmailing your professor in public? Why are you talking about it at all??
Well, because he's stupid and enjoys the power over her. He has her by the (proverbial) balls and gets a kick out of making her squirm.
I just don't want to play as a stupid MC. I don't need him to be a gigachad Sherlock that does everything right and isn't afraid of anything, but ffs take the educated woman with a massive ego and temper seriously - especially if you're trying to get her on her knees at some point.
Really enjoyed the game so far. The artstyle is not my favorite, and more critically I think that there's some pretty bad "same-face syndrome" with the older women specifically. However, the characters are surprisingly cute beneath the mountains of boobs. Leslie and Ashley are particularly charming.
I was very surprised by the generally well written slow-burn between the MC and Leslie. They feel rational, their emotions are communicated well, and it makes for a much more engaging and sexy story. Not every character gets as much of a proper personality and story arc (Candice is probably the most dissapointing so far) but Ashley, Cassie, and Sabrina feel real enough to care about.
On Sabrina - there were two important things missing from the conflict in the library after Sabrina's failed summoning. The first is that Sabrina is aware that John just attempted to mind-whammy her, and the second is that Sabrina is refusing to work with John after she endangered his life and his mother's. Sabrina's defensive personality is fine - nothing to touch there, but the story needs a way for John to breach her walls and right now she basically does a complete 180 after he... rescues her stuffed animal. Even worse, Lilith basically gives it to him, so we're doubling down on him cheating through this situation. The development between the two characters doesn't feel earned. It's humorous and that fits in the tone of the game, but considering how abrasive she was up until this point, and the points I mentioned, I don't believe they should be buddy-buddy over a doll.
Sabrina yells at him as she runs out of the library that she doesn't need his or anybody else's help. I latched onto that when I read it; she just botched a summoning, almost got raped and killed, and loosed a group of demons onto the public. She should be confronted with this; John has a very good reason to want to know what she's doing, why she's doing it, and what she knows. He has no guarantee that she isn't going to go and summon an even bigger demon and unleash a bigger mess (and that is in fact exactly what she's planning to do.) I wanted to see John force Sabrina to realize how badly she screwed up, because that very naturally leads her into having a reason to cooperate with John, who has already made a deal with a demon and can provide insight and muscle into what she's doing.
The mind-whammy works in two directions here. For one, it does indicate that John is "legit" and might actually bring something to a partnership. On the flip side, he used it on Sabrina, or at least attempted to. This should be a bigger deal; I don't think it was really commented on after she flipped out on him at first. I don't remember exactly what he was trying to do with it, but if my memory is correct and he was trying to figure out what she was doing, then he can make the argument that he was trying to protect himself/his mother, or even that he's trying to help her so that she doesn't go botch another summoning. He could say that it's involuntary and manifests when his emotions are running high. All of these at least have some element of the truth to them, if the goal is to protray John as at least somewhat heroic.
All in all, I think some minor dialogue edits and inserts into that scene would go a long way to make their partnership feel genuine and earned.
There is another scene that I wanted to point out: John asks Leslie to give him a BJ/swallow after she wakes him up, and she comes to her senses and gets angry with John and with herself. She is still angry when they meet again in the evening (or the following day?) and she chastises John for wanting her to do "disgusting things" and asks why he wants to "degrade" his mother. John's response (possibly in a later conversation?) is that he's sorry, that he understands that she has boundaries and that he respects those, that he doesn't want her to do anything she doesn't want to herself, and that he understands that there are lines that they cannot cross. Leslie angrily asks if that means that he wanted her to want to do those things, to which, IIRC, he apologizes again.
I don't like this. John's reaction to this argument is cursing himself for saying something so stupid; it fits for an extremely horny young guy to feel like the mistake was simply putting his foot in his mouth, but it still falls short of the standard for his characterization IMO. I definitely do not like the fact that John is basically lying in his apology to Leslie. It's true that he doesn't want to force his mother into any of this, that much is fine, but there is nothing in this story that has led me to believe that he doesn't desire and intend to go all the way with his mother. There are no lines he does not intend to cross; he has pushed and pushed with all the other women. Aunt Cassie is a perfect example; he lies at first saying that he has no sexual intentions, exploits his "illness" (curse) and powers of suggestion, and by the end of the current update, is smirking down at her while she sucks his dick. Furthermore, John knows that even if he doesn't want to cross those lines, his situation with Lilith means that his power to prevent that from happening is limited. He knows that Leslie's own boundaries are liable to corruption. One way or another, it is an empty promise.
My issue with the empty promise isn't really a moral one - this is a porn story about a guy who made a pact with a demon - but that of characterization and story-telling. This lie isn't out of character for John persay, but there are plenty of other things he has said and done that made me feel like this course is at least not the only possible one he could have taken. I also think that it is the least interesting; is this just a pause on the current course? Is this a crude way to stretch out the will-they-won't-they phase?
John loves Leslie. He does not like his father. He does not appreciate the way his father treats Leslie or Ashley, and he has already made a point of telling Leslie that he is frustrated that she's taken his father's criticism of her body to heart (referencing her considering getting a breast reduction.) Time and time again, John has praised Leslie's beauty and displayed his desire for her sexuality. That scene with "Dr. Faust" comes to mind; John hyper-focuses on Leslie and very obviously lusts after her. So when Leslie says that she is upset that he wants her to degrade herself by doing disgusting, sexual things with him, he should absolutely be protesting. Everything she's done for him has made him happy, their intimacy has made him love her even more and John wants her to feel the same way. Nothing about their "situation" has been degrading and disgusting to him; he doesn't see her as a terrible mother or disgusting woman for trying to help him with what she believes is a serious medical condition, nor for pleasuring him in privacy. While it would probably be stupid to say this, I think John should at least think to himself that her calling herself a disgusting slut for being intimate is his father speaking through her.
I think the scene can basically end the same way as it does in the game. There doesn't need to be some long monologue for this to work, just some protest from John that he doesn't think that she's awful for doing this for him, that he loves her even more after this intimacy, that he's sad that she has felt so guilty about doing something he was enjoying, and that regrets saying something that made her feel that way. No longer than what is currently in the game, and effectively ends the same way: with Leslie relaxing, feeling like she blew up at im, and remembering that John really has tried to be good to her.
Finally, something that isn't really critique and more just venting. Demon Deals is not an adventure story where we get to chose what John is like and where the outcomes of the story are at least implied to be the player's choice. As such, I can't really criticize it as a piece of media for this... trope... the same way I would for a VN or whatever. But I absolutely hate when games suddenly take control away from me, hand the MC the idiot ball, and make me watch the train wreck that unfolds. John's interactions with Brenda are kind of irritating in general; there's no real reason or strategy behind his needling, she just pisses him off and he does something childish to get back at her. It is a little ridiculous to see this kind of behavior from an 18-19 year old, but I've seen people much older than that do worse than John when someone pushed their buttons. It's frustrating to me, but I wouldn't criticize it as bad writing by any means.
But holy fuck is it frustrating! He wants to - he needs to fuck these women. John's explicit goal, as stated by the man himself, is to eventually break Brenda in and fuck her. So it's not just empty antagonism here; John does want something out of her, but after blackmailing her, he continues to mouth off and antagonize her? I don't even think it's cheap to criticize his behavior after being shown that she's recording him. Why are you blabbing about robbing and blackmailing your professor in public? Why are you talking about it at all??
Well, because he's stupid and enjoys the power over her. He has her by the (proverbial) balls and gets a kick out of making her squirm.
I just don't want to play as a stupid MC. I don't need him to be a gigachad Sherlock that does everything right and isn't afraid of anything, but ffs take the educated woman with a massive ego and temper seriously - especially if you're trying to get her on her knees at some point.
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Gojo/infinity
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be careful i really like leslie's as i think everyone here it's just that the content of the last update really made me appreciate ashley even more and also i'm a ass man
do anyone know when next update will likely to take place ?
I searched it up but there's no date or month mentioned
I searched it up but there's no date or month mentioned
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If you searched, then you should have come across many comments by the developers who have repeatedly said they don't make estimates until they are near playtesting.
Lately, updates take 6-9 months. Come back at the end of summer and check.
Look for posts by Zakko - he posts the weekly progress charts every Sunday.
Thanks for the Info on both threads lmao , I didn't noticed the no estimates thing , just people talking about which characters will have 7.5 updates ...
so Aug-Sep till next update ...long time tbh
maybe these type of games usually end up the Milking Bonanza after a certain point , but any way If any one makes a game like this , money is the prime goal and Milking is like the most tempting path for any human being...
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If you are a person who wants to think developers are milkers... This thread and game is not for you. You should move along. You are already making judgments about a developer you know nothing about simply based upon the 6-9 month cycle.
It's all hand drawn art and each update... If you read the dialogue and don't just skip past to keep fapping so your cock doesn't go soft, each update is a couple to a few hours long.
Edit: also, though the developer has a subscribestar, they make the game available for free to everyone, subscription not required.
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I actually loved the game , i started yesterday and i am only reached till first Boob-job and 1st day of school with dolly route
i am actually playing slow and taking time to read the story even read the class intro
and i loved the story and character development , every action has meaning behind it.
And you are right I shouldn't had just slammed the milker tag when i didn't know the dev, it's just the way it is on these type of games and when update cycle get's as long as 6-9 months.
So far Loved the Passion behind the game and I agree it takes time to hand draw stuff specifically animations...
might sub to him if the content of rest of the game stay this great.
There are many creators fitting your first description, BreadMan sure is not among them. Since it is your first experience with the game, you will see this product is different, both in quality and development. The team is very responsive to questions ( "When is the next Leslie update ?"being the TOP 1, every update, ) and everything around Demon Deals is truly special. If you're not on Discord yet, I would suggest you follow the community there. You will have insights on every step in the game.
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I totally agree with you. I mean the dev is just going to release the same Leslie scenes (titjob, blowjob) with different angle until 10-ish ? Also in my opinion, she is already depraved and has no resistance
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Well, perhaps the developer has more imagination than the two of you give them credit for. Guess we'll all wait and see. And be happy with all the new lovely Leslie content that is offered over the next 6-ish updates before the consummation.
I can't respond to every point here but wanna say I really appreciate the time it took to write an insightful, helpful critique like this. I agree with most of it, especially MC saying or at least thinking to himself about Leslie's attitude toward using her mouth at first being Paul speaking through her, I like that and it totally makes sense. I'll take what I can into account and see if there's things to tweak in those scenes.
As far as the back end of the response, I agree that MC can be a little dense at times, and I understand that it can be frustrating to not have as much control over the MC as players might in other games haha but I'm a first-time dev and my background is in story moreso than game and this was the approach I took to telling this story, maybe the next game in the far future will have more freedom of character choice
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It's not a matter of imagination, it's a matter of contrivance. Leslie is too far gone. If she starts giving BJs under the table next to her husband with the help of her daughter for example, It wouldn't be in character if she was still drawing the line at sex.
In my opinion, new elements and roadblocks need to be introduced to explain why she doesn't take the next step because her lust is very much at its limit. The problem here isn't "muh, why no sex yet", but how a character this horny can keep her cherry in check for so long without crawling up the walls.
I agree but again as some developer said, you are not counting on Breadman´s imagination, he came up with the Leslie´s super powers, why he can´t come up with another fictional thing, like now sleeping together sometimes, buttjobs, footjob, and other fictional abilities, threesome with her sister (w leslie unable to fuck him in front of her sister but enjoying seeing fucking cassie) or other stuff, idk, if I can think on something I bet Breadman does x100. relax bro, 4 real.