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RPGM Tower of Trample [v1.18.0.4 + Standalone SC3] [Bo Wei/Koda]

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Sylph Phoenix

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Just FYI: Koda is having issues launching the playtest version.

We're likely pretty far off still.
Nah actually that happens whenever you have even one syntax error in any of your scripts. Sometimes it gives you good info about what the mistake is, sometimes it doesn't. It's very common for something like Ruby that doesn't have native, cumulative compilation. Or if you're a pleb and don't use a proper IDE and just use N++ or Atom.

It doesn't make the last few delays any more terrible, don't get me wrong, I'm just making the small correction that not being able to launch RPG Maker just means he's been modifying scripts and overlooked something like a missed comma.
 

Ammaccabanane

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Nah actually that happens whenever you have even one syntax error in any of your scripts. Sometimes it gives you good info about what the mistake is, sometimes it doesn't. It's very common for something like Ruby that doesn't have native, cumulative compilation. Or if you're a pleb and don't use a proper IDE and just use N++ or Atom.

It doesn't make the last few delays any more terrible, don't get me wrong, I'm just making the small correction that not being able to launch RPG Maker just means he's been modifying scripts and overlooked something like a missed comma.
A comma he'll need to search up and fix, and there'll be more. He wouldn't have posted that screenshot if really all that was missing was a single syntax error on line 41.

Regardless after that he's got the playtesting issues to solve, and hopefully there won't be new syntax errors while doing so.

So yeah, unless the playtesting goes miraculously I think we are pretty far off.
 

bahamut2195

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GearlessJoe did , multiple times though.
I agree with GearlessJoe. Koda's writing is lazy at best. Take, for example, the "twist" after Karen. How many examples can you come up with that mirror that exact plot device? Nevermind the fact that Koda himself talked about how that particular plot point was "inspired" by MGQ. And by inspired, he means adapted in its entirety.

Usually, when a story inspires a good writer, the writer will aim to evoke a similar emotion to what the source material created, not blatantly retell the source material while substituting his own characters. Not to mention the entire premise of crazy strong "bosses" allowing Ethan to saunter through the tower even after he proves to have potential. "I want to see how strong you become so you'll be a real challenge some day!" OK Goku, you're in the wrong story though. And lest we forget Koda's claim that Cobra is hiding her true power and toying with Ethan, ala every anime villain ever.

ThresholdMGD is a significantly better writer than Koda. He does a far better job of setting and detailing a scene and creates more compelling characters. Different games, sure, but I've never confused the Dreams plot with MGQ the way I have with ToT. Maybe Koda as a "bad" writer is the wrong description, but I think "lazy" is apt, and perhaps "unoriginal". Add in the constant delays, the stolen artwork, and the outdated and boring engine, and it's somewhat understandable that ToT isn't growing anymore. Plus the competition is getting stronger while Bo and Koda fail to release a significant update for more than a year.

I don't know about the rest of you, but I've certainly lost much of my enthusiasm for this game.
 

Greycrimson

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Credit where it's due I do think koda is a good writer. It's really hard to write porn imo so it's inevitable some lines end up cheesy or silly but overall it's successful. Especially considering how terrible writing tends to be in overwhelming majority of h games. I do have my pet peeves with "~" and "fufu" though.
 

FerousMetal

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No one...no one here in 670 pages has said Koda's writing is bad. (Edit: Fine except for that one time that one guy did.) That's not really the issue. The issue is that none of us has seen much his writing in 2019 or at all in these first months of 2020. I mean let's look at his 2019 performance review.

Update to every existing floor-Koda hyped up the thread for weeks, didn't put anything out and stopped talking about it.

Cobra Update- He released a very very short 2 scene demo after weeks of hype, and then again stopped talking about it.

Warriors Guild- Was meant to be a 2 week project. Became a one month project to a two month project to a who the fuck knows when project. 0.9 of warriors guild is the ONLY project in 2019 worth a damn that he made himself, and that is not really a years worth of work is it?

Claus-It is February and it's still not here.

Floor 7- Literally over a year past due, as it was meant to come in Jan. of 2019.

Swan & Crow Part 1- Hey that came out! Ya know it was an hour long and looked pretty unfinished as it didn't even have the Ethan picture sets along with his dialogue, but it still came out so quickly! I wonder why? Check the bottom for the answer!

Swan & Crow Parts 2-4- The promise was that these parts would come out once per month. Part 1 was October, Part 2 Was December, Part 3 was January, Part 4 February. So you planning on playing part 4 this weekend?


Dude wake the fuck up. Bo and Koda did not set out to scam people but they are taking advantage NOW of generosity of others. Even if they are good people not intending to be doing this, they ARE still doing it. They make the project in a way that satisfies themselves, working when and on what if it fancies them and abandons it when they no longer want to.

Above you said all of f95 zone should become patrons as you believed it would make Bo and Koda work harder and speed up the development of ToT. Do you have any evidence of these ideas? Because I can offer you evidence to the direct contrary.



That's the link to Bo wei's patreon earnings. Now as you could see in 2019 it was steadily going down, and down each month as it reflecting many patrons dissatisfied with the project moving away. Like me! And it kept going down until it reached it's worst at the very start of October, for the first time Bo and Koda earned collected less then $2000.
But what's that? Also in October that money jumped up to higher then it had ever been 3 weeks later? What happened?

Swan happened. Bo and Koda's patron money went down low, and then all of the sudden it was off to the races for new content! And promises were abundant that there would be even more every month. (So definitely subscribe to the patron
again.)

Of course the need to release further content in such a timely manner no longer became necessary as the earnings as said, went back up high. And lo and behold 3 months later and there is no Swan chapter 2, no claus, no floor 7, no anything.

You made the entirely futile plea that everyone on f95 should start supporting them on patron, let me make an equally futile plea, have everyone on discord pull there support. Because I have a real funny feeling that if Bo and Koda earnings dipped down low again we'll be seeing content again well soon.

They are not bad people. But they HAVE gotten complacent. They know that no matter how many times they delay or abandon or swap projects, you and many others will always be there to enable them. Supporting them financially and telling them it's okay, because 'they are still good writers.'

It's ironic. No longer supporting them on Patreon is the most I've ever done to support the continued release of Tower of Trample.
The thing is, I've brought up this issue multiple times and it's been dismissed each time. Not by Koda, but by community members. I see what you are saying about the timing for when content was released, but if they dont get any money they might just give up the project.

The community wont allow a discussion to happen about a project manager or monthly community status update.

I am a patreon for multiple projects (tales of androgyny, under the witch) and they all release weekly/monthly progress reports. Even if new content isn't released, they report progress.

When I have brought this simple fact up (it would take like 15 minutes to write a report, if that) community members rip into me, so I've given up.

If the discussion wont be allowed to happen, how can anything change? That's why I'm saying more patreon money might entice them to stay on schedule because nothing else is working.

The team has to stop giving dates for releases and just release when ready. It would lower a lot of disappointment.

And Gearless Joe did criticize Koda. Gearless Joe is a troll, and an obvious one at that.
 

Ammaccabanane

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Koda's writing has its up and downs, but it's the best so far in femdom games I think.

The story behind Ada's magic in WG was amazing in my opinion, and it did a great job selling both setting and character.

That said that he's done more harm than good to the project is a no-brainer, and I belive everyone would happily do without his writing to at least get something.

Also please stop falling for rayinn's baits, he's taking you for fools.

EDIT: I forgot Henissart's Estate: Dominate. The writing there is different, but far, far better in my opinion. I'll add that other writers, while still worse than Koda in my eyes, are getting better and better.

For example Dekarous comes to mind, since he started off with that "rapey rapey time" that everyone memed, and now I think he's improving with every Domina release... and meanwhile Koda isn't improving his skills because he's literally not working.
 
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Punk80954

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Honestly I just can't wait to see what all this wait was for, like it's obviously not going to be worth the wait, any of them (Swan, 7F, WG, Spring cleaning). There is so little that could be done to prove to people waiting this past year that it was all worth the wait. As horrible and long as this ride has already been we're only climbing the first hill. Imagine the shit storm when 7F drops 5 years from now and it's absolute garbage.
 

Suave2

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Am i the only one who thinks that they drop release dates without even having finished half of the new content they were supposed to make and just make delays to bail themselves out? Because i can't comprehend their working on a single floor for about 10-13 months. Also the spring cleaning update was supposed to have expansion content for all characters and all we ended up with was a cobra demo. Clearly that means no content was made for ANY character in the first place, otherwise we wouldn't end up stuck here a year later with nothing for ToT except that glitchy, unfinished piece of trash known as Swan chapter 1.
 

Holefiller

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Clearly that means no content was made for ANY character in the first place, otherwise we wouldn't end up stuck here a year later with nothing for ToT except that glitchy, unfinished piece of trash known as Swan chapter 1.
Wait, Swann is bae what are you talking about? Unfinished I can agree with, but "glitchy" and "trash" I cannot.
 
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Suave2

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Wait, Swann is bae what are you talking about? Unfinished I can agree with, but "glitchy" and "trash" I cannot.
I agree she's a good character but the whole build was glitchy and full of errors. It had "rushed filler content" written all over it. It was a fucking charity build.
 
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GearlessJoe

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I agree with GearlessJoe. Koda's writing is lazy at best. Take, for example, the "twist" after Karen. How many examples can you come up with that mirror that exact plot device? Nevermind the fact that Koda himself talked about how that particular plot point was "inspired" by MGQ. And by inspired, he means adapted in its entirety.

Usually, when a story inspires a good writer, the writer will aim to evoke a similar emotion to what the source material created, not blatantly retell the source material while substituting his own characters. Not to mention the entire premise of crazy strong "bosses" allowing Ethan to saunter through the tower even after he proves to have potential. "I want to see how strong you become so you'll be a real challenge some day!" OK Goku, you're in the wrong story though. And lest we forget Koda's claim that Cobra is hiding her true power and toying with Ethan, ala every anime villain ever.

ThresholdMGD is a significantly better writer than Koda. He does a far better job of setting and detailing a scene and creates more compelling characters. Different games, sure, but I've never confused the Dreams plot with MGQ the way I have with ToT. Maybe Koda as a "bad" writer is the wrong description, but I think "lazy" is apt, and perhaps "unoriginal". Add in the constant delays, the stolen artwork, and the outdated and boring engine, and it's somewhat understandable that ToT isn't growing anymore. Plus the competition is getting stronger while Bo and Koda fail to release a significant update for more than a year.

I don't know about the rest of you, but I've certainly lost much of my enthusiasm for this game.
Strongly agree, especially with the part about Threshold vs Koda.
If "FOOTNOSIS" isn't enough to convince people that Koda isn't a good writer (come on... FOOTNOSIS...), then I'd advise them to play Monster Girl Dreams to catch a glimpse of what constitutes truly excellent writing.

* Interesting and unique world with a lots of lore? Check. The world-building is made using the "Monster Girl formula", but Thresh manages to throw his own spin on it and make it original.

* Superb erotic scenes? Check (maybe I'm alone in this, but the writing in MGD can make me enjoy stuff that isn't even my kink. If that's not amazing writing then Idk what is).

* Great and memorable characters that are easily differentiated from one another and have lots of personality? Check. (Lillian is best girl)

* Actual good humor and endearing moments? Check.

ToT has neither of the above in my opinion, but even if you think it does, after you play MGD you'll have to admit that it's to a much lesser extent and at a much worse level of quality. The following stuff isn't necessarily related to writing.

* Foot fetish content? Check. Go find the Shizu and the Kunoichi Trainees for some amazing stuff. There's lots of other girls who use their feet though (Ancilla too is chef's kiss).

* Femdom content? Check, obviously since it's a game about being raped by Monster Girls. If you're looking for more traditional femdom stuff then Sofia has you covered. If you like the "mind-fucking" type of domination that Koda likes to do, Kotone is your girl, but every enemy with a trance attack will also be to your liking.

* Good, responsible dev that has done more than enough to earn people's support of his game? Check.

* A modding scene? Check (I kid you not).

The reason why ToT even holds a candle to MGD in my eyes is that it's foot fetish focused. There's also the fact that it's an RPGMaker game so I find it a bit more satisfying to play than a RenPy one. And even if Bo's a worse artist than most of the people being hired by Thresh, ToT still has CGs (even if most are traced from MSize) which MGD doesn't really have as of yet.
If MGD wasn't a completely different beast from ToT then it would become the ToT-killer that some of us are hoping for, but it's still a great game to play regardless.

On a final note, I guess I can stop being a nitpicky twat and calling Koda a bad writer. Considering how low the standards for good writing are in the indie porn game genre, then I'll admit he's just AVERAGE. Koda's on a completely different level from the Bo Wei types, sure. But people like Thresh are on a completely different level from Koda, so the end result is him being solid but unremarkable.
 
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