VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.200] [Lust & Passion]

[xxxorro]

I have heard that if you're not doing Aiden's tasks, Patricia will call on Saturday to arrange the Sunday event, but I don't have the evidence to back it up. But yeah, I made the same protests right after the update when I found out about it.

Worst case scenario, even if it isn't the case, I will likely create a mod to enable the horse-riding event on the lesbian route. Because like other things, requiring Sophia to accept Aiden's tasks for things on the lesbian route to me is just dumb. If you're interested, PM me and I'll loop you into the PM thread.

The riding event is supposed to be a really big event that might take the majority of the day if I remember correctly.
For me that leave 3 options :

-The riding event will only focus on Sophia and Patricia and no male will be involved. Which leaves us with the museum guys. But unless there’s some alcohol involved, I can’t see why that event would lead to more than showing some boobs. But according to L&p the Hetero events on that day are supposed to be “hotter” than what we had previously (which was at best showing her boobs)

-Or, for whatever reason, some guys will be involved in the riding event.
Either a new character (again), or Dylan. Don’t ask me why he would be here when he wasn’t invited, all of this is just me putting some theories out there, but as seen previously, something that may look like a lesbian event at first (the yoga event with Dylan being there out of nowhere) or a lesbian storyline (Vicky and now her boyfriend) may not continue on that trajectory.

-Or a 3rd option, would be that what could have been a “fairly simple” 14th playable day with 3 or 4 events with one big in the middle (riding event), will now be filled with “Dylan side stories” (Dylan/Amber, Dylan/Emma, Dylan/Ellie, Dylan/Marie, etc).
Making what could have been a really (relatively speaking), simple playable day with not that many events, bloated with events, which would then put playable day 15 in 3 years from now on at best.(if we continue on that trend of updates speed)

Maybe this doesn't mean anything, but in the script, when Patricia mention the Sunday horse riding event, it is not tied to anything, there are no conditions for that dialogue to happen. So it seems logic to expect that it will happen no matter what.
Obviously, he can always limit or condition that later on (i.e. Patricia calling to cancel or not calling at all etc).
But like you I found strange the you have to be in Aiden's task route to have the event. Not being on Aiden's task route could make a little bit more sense because then it could be the alternative event to the horse riding (i.e. Aiden's 5th task). But in that case we gonna have 3 tasks in the space of 4 (real) days, maybe too much?

On a side note, the horse riding happens on Sunday, while the PD 14 is a Saturday I think. Otherwise Patricia has to call Sophia some time on PD 13 (Friday) and we skip one day.
And in the evening of PD 14 we have the museum guy event (because the museum is closed). So either it will be at end of the horse riding event (PD 14 is a sunday) or before the horse event (PD 14 is Saturday, and PD 15 sunday).
In that case (and in any case) the sentence:

All I can say is that there are some really hot scenes planned for the next 3 playable days. Especially end of playable day 13 and 14! Of course we're talking here about more and much more daring scenes then we got now. Mostly hetero.

can be a little ambiguous. Is he meaning also end of day 14 or just day 14 in general?
Not that it makes a big difference, we know that it won't a sex scene. Also it depends on his concept of hot scene, once we will see his idea of hot scene for the Mayer's boy maybe we can think about something

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

I'm not sure about that. It might look like we can get the updates quicker but in reality it will delay the overall progress of the game which can only be seen in the long run.

Since I'm one among those who worry about the future of game, I politely request everybody to endure this wait period and let L&P sort out this issue after the upcoming update.

You're right that it will delay overall progress, but the situation is getting desperate.

To your final point: if L&P had come out with a statement at some point acknowledging that development was moving too slowly and that he was taking steps to avoid this in the future, he could have eased any backlash. But he hasn't done that, so it seems unlikely he is going to "sort out his issues" because he doesn't think he has any.

 

[Old Dog]

Maybe this doesn't mean anything, but in the script, when Patricia mention the Sunday horse riding event, it is not tied to anything, there are no conditions for that dialogue to happen. So it seems logic to expect that it will happen no matter what.
Obviously, he can always limit or condition that later on (i.e. Patricia calling to cancel or not calling at all etc).
But like you I found strange the you have to be in Aiden's task route to have the event. Not being on Aiden's task route could make a little bit more sense because then it could be the alternative event to the horse riding (i.e. Aiden's 5th task). But in that case we gonna have 3 tasks in the space of 4 (real) days, maybe too much?

On a side note, the horse riding happens on Sunday, while the PD 14 is a Saturday I think. Otherwise Patricia has to call Sophia some time on PD 13 (Friday) and we skip one day.
And in the evening of PD 14 we have the museum guy event (because the museum is closed). So either it will be at end of the horse riding event (PD 14 is a sunday) or before the horse event (PD 14 is Saturday, and PD 15 sunday).
In that case (and in any case) the sentence:

can be a little ambiguous. Is he meaning also end of day 14 or just day 14 in general?
Not that it makes a big difference, we know that it won't a sex scene. Also it depends on his concept of hot scene, once we will see his idea of hot scene for the Mayer's boy maybe we can think about something

For something to happen on the horse riding event between Sophia/Patricia they both need high lesbian points and a good relationship,if you don't have these then it will probably be a none sexual encounter.

 

[Old Dog]

You're right that it will delay overall progress, but the situation is getting desperate.

To your final point: if L&P had come out with a statement at some point acknowledging that development was moving too slowly and that he was taking steps to avoid this in the future, he could have eased any backlash. But he hasn't done that, so it seems unlikely he is going to "sort out his issues" because he doesn't think he has any.

There is hardly any backlash(on his patron page)as a lot of patrons are happy and drooling over the Dylan/Sophia and Aiden/Sophia events.

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

There is hardly any backlash(on his patron page)as a lot of patrons are happy and drooling over the Dylan/Sophia and Aiden/Sophia events.

Right, so where it counts most he's getting support.

Everything is going to come down to how this update is received once it's released. The only time patrons will revolt is if the actual update us underwhelming.

 

[Talcum Powder]

What people here think is a lack of organization is part of the creative process for L&P.
And they will never, never, agree with Him on this.
... But even here these goals are subordinated to what he considers to be much more important. HIS way of telling the story.
And they will never agree with him on that either.

I think a fair criticism of L&P's "creative process" is that they are not using an appropriate "creative process".

Writing, painting, illustration, etching/printing and so on are generative art forms. From nothing something is created. Photography is not - the something must exist in order to be captured.

Given the attention to lighting and all the camera settings, depth of field and deep/shallow focus, I wonder if L&P's background is in photography and not a generative art form.

Even before the advent of digital, a photographer could set up their subject and shoot two or three or four rolls of film, develop them and print contact sheets and look them over, find the right/best images to print at full size.

In generative art you simply cannot do this - you must work out the plan in advance and stick to it. That is not to say there aren't opportunities for improvisation or adjustment along the way, but a painter doesn't change the size of the canvas half the way into a painting, a sculptor can't increase the size of stone they're using. And a print maker sure as shit ain't carving into their block with out a really firmly established idea of the end product.

Also, L&P seems completely oblivious to a hard fact about generative art-making: The two most important lines in any drawing are the ones you don't make and the ones you take out.

 

[Talcum Powder]

I quite like your point of view.
I totally understand what you mean.
For me, you have to distinguish the creative process from the organization.

In the creative process, it is normal that the ideas flow and that it is confused, badly arranged, there is enthusiasm to put a lot of things. In this part, we allow ourselves complete freedom.
Then comes the organization process, the ideas collected, we sort them (sorting, it's putting everything in place and also throwing away) and then we can move forward with a guideline and we can check that what we do corresponds to what was expected.
Of course there is still room to change things, but normally there are no major changes.

Yes, all of this.

 

[hzjujk]

In generative art you simply cannot do this - you must work out the plan in advance and stick to it. That is not to say there aren't opportunities for improvisation or adjustment along the way, but a painter doesn't change the size of the canvas half the way into a painting, a sculptor can't increase the size of stone they're using. And a print maker sure as shit ain't carving into their block with out a really firmly established idea of the end product.

That's not true. I understand what you mean. But painter in particular is a bad example. There are many paintings in which one can prove that they have been painted over or changed many times. The "Mona Lisa" is an exceptional example. Loeonardo da Vinci changed the details again and again until the end of his life. Although I definitely don't want to see L&P compared to Leonardo!

 

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[Adolfo]

Please. Anyone has the game script until this moment?

 

[badasst82]

Hi, where can i get the models for set a light 3d studio? And some sets? Thank you

 

[lockerxx]

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is moving!!!yes

 

[hmc15]

Can someone explain me the difference between "Created Scenes" and "Rendered Scenes"?
I'm probably understanding something wrong else this is ridiculous at this point

Might also refer to storytelling. Created scenes could mean that the writingand dialogue are completely done and what's left is to convert to images

 

[You Don't See Me]

is moving!!!yes

Not Venus slow and not Jupiter fast. But yes, it's moving.

 

[Leldorin]

Maybe this doesn't mean anything, but in the script, when Patricia mention the Sunday horse riding event, it is not tied to anything, there are no conditions for that dialogue to happen. So it seems logic to expect that it will happen no matter what.
Obviously, he can always limit or condition that later on (i.e. Patricia calling to cancel or not calling at all etc).
But like you I found strange the you have to be in Aiden's task route to have the event. Not being on Aiden's task route could make a little bit more sense because then it could be the alternative event to the horse riding (i.e. Aiden's 5th task). But in that case we gonna have 3 tasks in the space of 4 (real) days, maybe too much?

On a side note, the horse riding happens on Sunday, while the PD 14 is a Saturday I think. Otherwise Patricia has to call Sophia some time on PD 13 (Friday) and we skip one day.
And in the evening of PD 14 we have the museum guy event (because the museum is closed). So either it will be at end of the horse riding event (PD 14 is a sunday) or before the horse event (PD 14 is Saturday, and PD 15 sunday).
In that case (and in any case) the sentence:

can be a little ambiguous. Is he meaning also end of day 14 or just day 14 in general?
Not that it makes a big difference, we know that it won't a sex scene. Also it depends on his concept of hot scene, once we will see his idea of hot scene for the Mayer's boy maybe we can think about something

You’re totally right on the quote . It can be interpreted in different ways (I was thinking the exact same thing as you did while reading it)

If I misremembered the date of the riding event, that was a pretty long rambling for nothing.

On an other note, the “hot hetero events” being especially for end of day 13 and 14, means that nothing crazy will happen for the Sam concert event.
I can see a kiss and/or some boobs grabbed at best.

As for the kids on the second side job, I don’t know what to think of it.
I don’t care if they are under age, this are just computer generated characters
not real people.
The thing is, that even if it’s not supposed to be a real story it’s at least supposed to be “realistic”.
So all I can see “realistically” speaking is, the kids having a bonner at most.
What I would really like however would be for Sophia to “corrupt” the mom. I don’t give two shit about the daughter (a young girl who’s attracted to Sophia, how original...).
But on the contrary, if it could be about Sophia loosening up the mom a little, at least that would something we don’t see often in this game (Sophia doing the corruption and not the other way around).

Well,as you said, we’ll see what happens in the next update.
And for end of day 13 and day 14, we’ll just have to wait. (Between a year and a half and 3 years...)

 

[bayrischman]

is moving!!!yes

5 percent in 14 days and working 8-10 hours . whot a nonsens.

 

[sept0342]

5 percent in 14 days and working 8-10 hours . whot a nonsens.

Too many pigeons buddy.

 

[lockerxx]

5 percent in 14 days and working 8-10 hours . whot a nonsens.

i can wait it looks we will got the new update in may.

 

[You Don't See Me]

I'm curious about "Spanking" as listed as part of the genre. I assume it's not in the "Headmaster" vein, but is it just a single butt slap as with Sophia and Patricia stretching after they run in the park?

 

[xxxorro]

I'm curious about "Spanking" as listed as part of the genre. I assume it's not in the "Headmaster" vein, but is it just a single butt slap as with Sophia and Patricia stretching after they run in the park?

Also the yoga event, always Patricia.
Actually, who chooses the tags for the games? The moderator that starts the thread? If so, maybe he/she just classified the slapping as spanking.

On an other note, the “hot hetero events” being especially for end of day 13 and 14, means that nothing crazy will happen for the Sam concert event.
I can see a kiss and/or some boobs grabbed at best.

Well he says next 3 PDs, so 12 is also included. But what happens at the concert or after is (allegedly) less hotter than Sophia/Dylan PD 13 and PD 14 (probably the museum). But here we are really milking every possible hint and word of his sentences