Ren'Py 2Sides [v0.05.0] [BadMustard]

[Bombmaster]

The fact that its an incest story already makes it non traditional. The first two chapters were completely built up as a puppy dog love story of feel good moments with a brother supporting his sister when she was going through tough times. The dev throwing in a cliche'd NTR plot randomly isnt just a toxic relationship, its wanting to force some shitty drama into a story that was perfectly fine without it.

Do you think real romances break up, fuck other people then get back together? No in the real world when you break up with someone and they fuck someone else you move on and cut them out of your life. This is just some shitty NTR drama forced into a story because the dev didnt know how to create tension or make an engaging story without some sudden shock.

Yes as mentioned she being his sister means they are destined to meet again.

In the end is the dev vision to have this wrench into the story. And bold because as you pointed out,
offended the male fantasy trope (the uncorrupted one), not trying to trigger you. just stating a fact.
quoting my favorite book:

MACÁRIO: I would want her to be virgin in soul as in body; that she had never felt the least emotion for anybody—neither cousin nor brother. That God had created her asleep in soul until she saw me, much like those fairy tale princesses that sleep a hundred years. I’d want an angel to cover her with its veil and wash her every night with his divine oil for to keep her in good health! … I would want her to come as a child and be transformed into a woman by my kisses.

but as previous explained, this will remove what if scenarios when they eventually make up.

 

[micojive]

Yes as mentioned she being his sister means they are destined to meet again.

In the end is the dev vision to have this wrench into the story. And bold because as you pointed out,
offended the male fantasy trope (the uncorrupted one), not trying to trigger you. just stating a fact.
quoting my favorite book:

MACÁRIO: I would want her to be virgin in soul as in body; that she had never felt the least emotion for anybody—neither cousin nor brother. That God had created her asleep in soul until she saw me, much like those fairy tale princesses that sleep a hundred years. I’d want an angel to cover her with its veil and wash her every night with his divine oil for to keep her in good health! … I would want her to come as a child and be transformed into a woman by my kisses.

but as previous explained, this will remove what if scenarios when they eventually make up.

The problem is now I dont want them to make up. I want the brother to tell the sister to fuck off and go be with the dude she fucked. All the feel good moments from the first 2 chapters are meaningless when the other LI bails and goes to fuck someone else to move on. The dev seems to be trying to show that the female MC is trying to move on from the brother but ultimately will fall back into love with him. Im guessing (because its cliche) the brother wont accept her back right away and she will graduate and they will meet back together at NASA or something to rekindle the relationship.

I dont want that anymore after what the sister did. I want her to fuck off. All the good feelings from the first two chapters are gone when she would rather break up than talk about shit like an adult.

 

[OWSam000]

The problem is now I dont want them to make up. I want the brother to tell the sister to fuck off and go be with the dude she fucked. All the feel good moments from the first 2 chapters are meaningless when the other LI bails and goes to fuck someone else to move on. The dev seems to be trying to show that the female MC is trying to move on from the brother but ultimately will fall back into love with him. Im guessing (because its cliche) the brother wont accept her back right away and she will graduate and they will meet back together at NASA or something to rekindle the relationship.

I dont want that anymore after what the sister did. I want her to fuck off. All the good feelings from the first two chapters are gone when she would rather break up than talk about shit like an adult.

The plot is similar to one game' Share of sweet' which is also involve brother/step-sister love. The Dev made the sis hooked up then later married to MC so-called best friend after the sibling express their love to each other in their younger past. He nearly lost all his followers that he had to recreate the story which still in progress. When you tried to add some unnecessary NTR/obstacle in a romantic story, it really ends horribly.
Mc no doubt will still have feeling for her sis, but the players may not have affection to sis anymore and you still need at least 2 fucking chapters to solve the drama. I would like to see the sis suffer again that her new boyfriend left her for a better girl and cry and depressed.

 

[Bombmaster]

The problem is now I dont want them to make up. I want the brother to tell the sister to fuck off and go be with the dude she fucked. All the feel good moments from the first 2 chapters are meaningless when the other LI bails and goes to fuck someone else to move on. The dev seems to be trying to show that the female MC is trying to move on from the brother but ultimately will fall back into love with him. Im guessing (because its cliche) the brother wont accept her back right away and she will graduate and they will meet back together at NASA or something to rekindle the relationship.

I dont want that anymore after what the sister did. I want her to fuck off. All the good feelings from the first two chapters are gone when she would rather break up than talk about shit like an adult.

Oh belive me. As my hot take previously mentioned, was forgiving Gwen and watching her in sorrow how did Mike got away:
but alas.
Is not the direction this story is going to be, I dig drama and would love to read some fucking spice tragedy esque dialogue.

I do make the exercise sometimes to understand good stories, even in the opposite lead pov, Is fucking hard.
This story is trying to tell a female drama too, is not Mike story per se.
When you get that this story is Two sides, as two protagonists. Not only Mike... is easier to keep an open mind.

 

[Walter Victor]

Regardless of what anyone here wants or suggests, the developer has set the plot to the end. Complaining about that is not going to help one little bit. Best to just try another game.

EDIT: Oh yeah, I saw one complaint that this game has turned into a kinetic novel! Try reading the tags.

 

[Khae]

only the images are in development, the story is completely written as it was before I started making images for it.

I have my cup o tears so I'm happy
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I loved, then hated what is happening... strong emotions, meaning you did an outstanding job. Even if i don't like the outcome, the fact that i feel strongly about that is a testament to your story-telling, NTR or no NTR is then just a technical discussion. Looking forward to (and dreading, in a good way) the upcoming chapters!

 

[Maevos]

FMC ghosted the MC as soon as something bad happened. Zero communication for months, holy shit. She wallowed in self pity, rebuffed MC's attempts at reconciliation and broke his spirit. He was as much a victim of their father as her.

She is an immature cunt. He is a codependent loser. The perfect symbiotic relationship.

 

[Odlanier]

only the images are in development, the story is completely written as it was before I started making images for it.

I have my cup o tears so I'm happy
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Big Mistake on giving the option to change the name of the male protagonist as most of the players self insert themselves in the character giving rise to various NTR whining arguments. The story is best read from a third person perspective an not as an interactive novel. Hence giving the choice as to what perspective the player want to see itself is not needed kinda like reading a novel from a book where the readers can sympathize with certain characters but not the the extent of self inserting themselves with the character.

 

[Crell]

FMC ghosted the MC as soon as something bad happened. Zero communication for months, holy shit. She wallowed in self pity, rebuffed MC's attempts at reconciliation and broke his spirit. He was as much a victim of their father as her.

She is an immature cunt. He is a codependent loser. The perfect symbiotic relationship.

LMAO, yeah, the 18yo girl that thought she found the love of her life and never even once in her life had even looked at a guy before didn't just shrug the fact that he is her actual brother off in an instant and instead broke down bad. What a bitch!

Like, seriously, do you people ever stop and think for a second before posting this absolute garbage? I don't really like chapter 3. It tries to be realistic but doesn't quite pull it off . Most people who play porn games also don't care for realism. Because IRL under the circumstances seen in this game, incest would be off the table. Period. Our biology programs us to not see people we grow up with as sexual partners. Not to mention that the first two chapters of this game were set up as a feel good story, only to end up as superficial drama.

But all those people who cry about NTR or how evil she is are straight up hilarious.

 

[Maevos]

LMAO, yeah, the 18yo girl that thought she found the love of her life and never even once in her life had even looked at a guy before didn't just shrug the fact that he is her actual brother off in an instant and instead broke down bad. What a bitch!

Like, seriously, do you people ever stop and think for a second before posting this absolute garbage? I don't like chapter 3 at all. It's honestly terrible in my eyes since it tries to be realistic and straight up fails epically at it. Not to mention that the first two chapters of this game were set up as a feel good story, only to end up as superficial drama.

But all those people who cry about NTR or how evil she is are straight up hilarious.

Correction. I called her an immature cunt, not an evil cunt.

Still a cunt though. I can't explain going no-contact otherwise. Besides, you and I both know that she is going to discard Josh in the next update, just like Ana. Both FMC and MC are flawed people and that's alright. The issue stems from the fact that previous chapters were painting a very different picture.

 

[Crell]

I can't explain going no-contact otherwise.

Other than....her having a full mental breakdown? A breakdown that caused her to be bedridden and depressed for weeks and weeks? Sorry, but this is just ridiculous at this point. You're trying so hard to fault her for being traumatized, it's positively appalling.

A vast number of people lack the mental resilience for even way less traumatic things. I'm glad for you that you can't even imagine the despair required to have such a breakdown. But people like that exist. And blaming them for experiencing such breakdowns is shitty behaviour.

That breakdown was the most realistic thing in this update.

 

[lorkdubo]

Other than....her having a full mental breakdown? A breakdown that caused her to be bedridden and depressed for weeks and weeks? Sorry, but this is just ridiculous at this point. You're trying so hard to fault her for being traumatized, it's positively appalling.

A vast number of people lack the mental resilience for even way less traumatic things. I'm glad for you that you can't even imagine the despair required to have such a breakdown. But people like that exist. And blaming them for experiencing such breakdowns is shitty behaviour.

That breakdown was the only realistic thing in this update.

But breakdown from what? The mom wasn't against it and she was the one obsessed with the MC before. They are different races and can easily look like they are not siblings. Even in the gene pool department and consequently, in reproduction, the gene pool is not that small as they are half-siblings with different races. In general, it's something like a risk increase of 90% which is actually from a general 3% from the normal population to 5-6% in the case of incest. The problem is with subsequential generational inbreeding.

 

[Maevos]

Other than....her having a full mental breakdown? A breakdown that caused her to be bedridden and depressed for weeks and weeks? Sorry, but this is just ridiculous at this point. You're trying so hard to fault her for being traumatized, it's positively appalling.

A vast number of people lack the mental resilience for even way less traumatic things. I'm glad for you that you can't even imagine the despair required to have such a breakdown. But people like that exist. And blaming them for experiencing such breakdowns is shitty behaviour.

That breakdown was the only realistic thing in this update.

Should I remind you that one and a half year passes and she never contacts him once during that whole time? He is completely ignored while she gets to have her breakdown and makes the entire thing about herself. Doesn't really portray the behaviour of a "person in love", does it? No matter the circumstances.

She is willing to fuck and marry her foster brother but being half-siblings is a deal breaker, and apparently traumatizing, even though nobody judges or bullies her about it. They grew up together in the same house and raised by the same parents, even though one of them dipped early. They were always siblings.

None of the story beats are laid out in an organic and logical way. I'm having an argument over here because of shitty writing.

 

[jufot]

I wanted to write a more substantive comment for a while now and this drama is a great excuse.

First of all, I love where the story is. The breakdown of Mike and Gwen's relationship is completely expected and believable given the revelations. So much so, I find myself wondering if the naysayers are actually comprehending the gravity of the situation. It makes perfect sense for Gwen to pull away, for Mike to take the rejection personally, and for neither party willing to reach out again in the ensuing awkardness.

At this point, I also kinda-but-not-really don't want Mike and Gwen to get back together Several reasons:

- Proposing after 4 months together is not romantic, it's thinking with your dick. You shouldn't even think about moving in together that soon. They needed to hit the brakes, hard, and I'm glad they did.
- I like both Josh and Ana. They are good people and perfectly fine matches for the protagonists. I'm especially fond of Ana and her backstory. Getting swept up and marrying young to shit men is the fate of far too many women, and I'm glad she has managed to overcome that. As for Josh, he is the typical nerdy wallflower, but then, so is Gwen and they make a cute couple.
- I like the Spanish coast a lot more than randomtown USA. It'd be a shame to lose that setting.

It's also striking how different Mike and Gwen's experiences have been during their time apart. Despite being younger, she did the mature thing - she sought help, processed her trauma, got better, and actually became happy. Mike, on the other hand, just buried it all inside and thought about anything but. As a result, while Gwen is exchanging frequent I-love-you's with Josh, Mike is deathly afraid of saying anything that could be construed as commitment to Ana.

And now, we have an awkward reunion with Mike - who is running scared, again, by throwing away everything good in his life - and Gwen, who is genuinely in love with a genuinely good boy.

I can't wait for chapter 4 BadMustard

 

[FatGiant]

Should I remind you that one and a half year passes and she never contacts him once during that whole time? He is completely ignored while she gets to have her breakdown and makes the entire thing about herself. Doesn't really portray the behaviour of a "person in love", does it? No matter the circumstances.

She is willing to fuck and marry her foster brother but being half-siblings is a deal breaker, and apparently traumatizing, even though nobody judges or bullies her about it. They grew up together in the same house and raised by the same parents, even though one of them dipped early. They were always siblings.

None of the story beats are laid out in an organic and logical way. I'm having an argument over here because of shitty writing.

Not really.

You are having an argument over here for being very over critic of ONLY one side of the problem. The MC also went no contact after the initial tries. Yet, you apparently excuse him, by not calling him a cunt also.

Also, the way you characterize others, says a LOT more about you, than about them. And what it says about you, is simply not flattering at all. But, that's a YOU problem.

One thing that time really makes you realize is that you should never expect others to be better than you. Most of the times, they are as bad as you, sometimes worse, and very rarely, marginally better. You are demanding that these people act BETTER than you would in their place. Better than anyone could. I could judge you quite harshly from that expectation alone, if I add the vocabulary you used, I'm sorry I couldn't even stand being near you.

I'll presume this reaction and words of yours are due to being young and probably inexperienced, because if neither of that is truth, then you are really in trouble.

Peace

 

[Crell]

Upon reflecting on the plot once more, I have to admit my first reaction was knee-jerk-y. I edited both post to reflect that.

It doesn't "fail epically" at realism, it just hits the uncanny valley of realism where the elements of the story on their own are realistic but when viewed as a whole it just doesn't seem to fit. Breakdown/Sadness? Normal. Recovery phase? Normal. No Contact? Normal. Rebound? Normal.

All those things are normal. But when viewed through the lens that the affected parties are siblings, it becomes rather unconvincing to me.

 

[micojive]

Upon reflecting on the plot once more, I have to admit my first reaction was knee-jerk-y. I edited both post to reflect that.

It doesn't "fail epically" at realism, it just hits the uncanny valley of realism where the elements of the story on their own are realistic but when viewed as a whole it just doesn't seem to fit. Breakdown/Sadness? Normal. Recovery phase? Normal. No Contact? Normal. Rebound? Normal.

All those things are normal. But when viewed through the lens that the affected parties are siblings, it becomes rather unconvincing to me.

I think if the dev was going for something somewhat realistic it would have been far more believable if the "trauma" event was that their relationship was discovered, or they came out to her friends and them living with and dealing with the consequences of that together, rather then separating them and making their relationship meaningless.

It could have enforced their relationship with each other, showing how much they care and how meaningful the male MCs actions were when they were growing up and building each other up instead of throwing it all away. I just dont understand how someone can write the first two chapters and then decide they want to throw that away for nothing.

 

[reaganreigns]

I wanted to write a more substantive comment for a while now and this drama is a great excuse.

First of all, I love where the story is. The breakdown of Mike and Gwen's relationship is completely expected and believable given the revelations.

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This whole thread is full of people who have never once watched a telenovella or a K-Drama or a soap opera. Once you stop with the self-insertion-based "she's a filthy whore, this game is NTR" rhetoric and see it more as a soap opera, everything becomes a lot less about "what would I do in this situation" and a lot more of "HOLD ON, PAUSE THE EPISODE, I NEED MORE POPCORN".
BadMustard, you fucking genius, I can't remember the last time I had a "That can't be where it leaves off!" moment after playing a VN. I cannot wait to see how the sudden reappearance of her brother-lover is gonna impact Gwen's blossoming relationship with Josh and, inversly, how Mike's bottled up trauma is gonna is gonna get dealt with next chapter, if at all.

 

[johnmnf692]

Game is ruined. Bro, if you planned to put NTR in your game you are free to do so, but you need to let people know about this shit. There was literally no indication this crap was coming beforehand. This game needs updated tags post-haste.

 

[Maevos]

Not really.

You are having an argument over here for being very over critic of ONLY one side of the problem. The MC also went no contact after the initial tries. Yet, you apparently excuse him, by not calling him a cunt also.

Also, the way you characterize others, says a LOT more about you, than about them. And what it says about you, is simply not flattering at all. But, that's a YOU problem.

One thing that time really makes you realize is that you should never expect others to be better than you. Most of the times, they are as bad as you, sometimes worse, and very rarely, marginally better. You are demanding that these people act BETTER than you would in their place. Better than anyone could. I could judge you quite harshly from that expectation alone, if I add the vocabulary you used, I'm sorry I couldn't even stand being near you.

I'll presume this reaction and words of yours are due to being young and probably inexperienced, because if neither of that is truth, then you are really in trouble.

Peace

You have a high opinion of yourself. Don't worry about it, I highly doubt we'd be hanging out in any capacity.

You are personally attacking another poster because of their negative opinion about a fictional character and you are making assumptions about them based on extremely limited knowledge. This is the kind of childish behaviour I left behind in my teen years.

If you had bothered to read my first comment before you inserted yourself into this discussion you'd have noticed that I am critical of both main characters. They exhibit unrealistic behaviour and they are written to be this way for the sake of drama.

I would like to offer a solution. Let's not interact with each other in the future. I think that would work out amazingly well for the both of us.