A gay element in netorare

[Deleted member 4438703]

My obsession with NTR is to see the woman I love, who has made vows and promises to love me, be faithful and share a life with me, throw it all away for pleasure, see her succumb to depravity and corruption, see her take dominant role and exploiting my true love for her for her own benefit.
It's not about another man in the relationship, it's about her bringing another man into her life because she can, because she wants to, because she knows I don't have the strength to fight everything she does.
It's about my heart and mind being broken in the madness of her actions. The acceptance of everything she does wrong to me as a form of love. The misrepresentation of what true love should be, the abuse on it.
And if there is a homosexual element, it is for the humiliation that she wants me to go through, as proof that she has all the power in her hands and that I will obey her no matter what.

This is how I feel about Netorare.

 

[zenbear]

I don't know about strictly gay but bisexual maybe. Speaking as one I'm not really into NTR though lol

 

[Icarus Media]

For the NTR fans who think it is clearly not gay at all... Sell it to us as "Not Gay" as best you can. We are listening.

Well see, Imma fuck yo wife and NTR you, but unless she a 7 foot bodybuilder in speedos and baby oiled it ain't gay bruh.

 

[kshyk]

If you are a man and your sexual fantasy requires another man to be fulfilled then your fantasy is NOT heterosexual.

I think that a big part of the cuckold community is actually closeted homosexual (or bisexual or pansexual) men that have

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. Perhaps many are in denial. Perhaps it is out of guilt and them not being attracted to their wife, and they pawn them off on another man. Divorce can be expensive and often goes in the woman's favor.

I think you right. I'm not ashamed to admit I like a sight of a beautiful woman and nice big cock. I'm not ntr fan, but I can't denie there's something in this on emotional level.
I hope you don't mind If I quote you in my signature.

 

[yihman1]

My obsession with NTR is to see the woman I love, who has made vows and promises to love me, be faithful and share a life with me, throw it all away for pleasure, see her succumb to depravity and corruption, see her take dominant role and exploiting my true love for her for her own benefit.
It's not about another man in the relationship, it's about her bringing another man into her life because she can, because she wants to, because she knows I don't have the strength to fight everything she does.
It's about my heart and mind being broken in the madness of her actions. The acceptance of everything she does wrong to me as a form of love. The misrepresentation of what true love should be, the abuse on it.
And if there is a homosexual element, it is for the humiliation that she wants me to go through, as proof that she has all the power in her hands and that I will obey her no matter what.

This is how I feel about Netorare.

Couldn't you get the same effect without bringing another guy in if a woman went full psycho on you and used you like a tool? Take all your money financially abuse you slap you around and be your findom?

 

[Deleted member 4438703]

Couldn't you get the same effect without bringing another guy in if a woman went full psycho on you and used you like a tool? Take all your money financially abuse you slap you around and be your findom?

I'm talking about a relationship that starts with Netorare and ends up becoming a Netorase over time.

Netorare for me is about her choosing to break the vows and promises she made to me about loving me and being mine alone, it's about her letting herself be corrupted and destroy what we have for pleasure or passion.
It's her choosing someone more masculine, stronger, more handsome, more sexually gifted, more dominant, more successful, whatever. But deep down I still want you around, to give her love or serve as a tool in the highest selfish act while you do everything, materially and sentimentally, to make her happy, giving my all to a woman who doesn't deserve me (or, in my head, deserve me too much).

I love Findom but it's not the same as Netorare.
Findom is a part of the puzzle, it's her using the feeling I have for her so she can dress up for her lover, pay for dinner, movies, motel, etc.

It's not about me being interested in another man and wanting him in our relationship, it's about what she wants and what she's willing to sacrifice to have it, it's about me being submissive to her because I love her.
It's about her doing what she wants with her life, while doing what she wants with me, even taking away my masculine while feminizing me. Even forcing me to serve her lover sexually, not because I'm interested in him, but because she can make me do it, because she wants to take everything from me including my manhood, because she wants to humiliate me in every way she can that satisfy her.

It is easy to link this with the desire to be with men, but the origin is not attraction to men.

At least that's what I feel.

 

[anne O'nymous]

For the NTR fans who think it is clearly not gay at all... Sell it to us as "Not Gay" as best you can. We are listening.

The funny thing being that so far no one on this discussion said that it's not gay, nor that he was a NTR lover.

You, however, seem to have real problems with both.

 

[yihman1]

The funny thing being that so far no one on this discussion said that it's not gay, nor that he was a NTR lover.

You, however, seem to have real problems with both.

Just because I don't like something doesn't mean I have a problem with people who do like it. I don't like eating onions. They taste gross to me. That doesn't mean we should stone to death folks who eat onions, or make onions illegal.

 

[anne O'nymous]

Just because I don't like something doesn't mean I have a problem with people who do like it.

But here you aren't "not liking something", you are repeating the same stupid bullshit over and over, having at yourself half of the posts on this thread. And, incidentally, I (relatively explicitly) said that you had problem with two topics, not with people possibly liking them.

 

[slightchance]

For the NTR fans who think it is clearly not gay at all... Sell it to us as "Not Gay" as best you can. We are listening.

The first (real) NTR game that I played was Marina's Cuckold Report. When you play it for the first time, you don't see your wife having sex and the only way you experience it is by listening to the wife Marina after the dates and by thinking about them having fun while you sit at home waiting. You don't really know if they've actually done it and how or if "your" wife is telling the truth.

The whole idea was absolutely torture for me and the devs left enough space for your to fill out the blanks on your own. Not once did I care about who was actually fucking her or what size and shape his dick has. The heart wrenching feeling only persisted because it felt like someone is stealing her heart from me and she would simply let them.

 

[yihman1]

The first (real) NTR game that I played was Marina's Cuckold Report. When you play it for the first time, you don't see your wife having sex and the only way you experience it is by listening to the wife Marina after the dates and by thinking about them having fun while you sit at home waiting. You don't really know if they've actually done it and how or if "your" wife is telling the truth.

The whole idea was absolutely torture for me and the devs left enough space for your to fill out the blanks on your own. Not once did I care about who was actually fucking her or what size and shape his dick has. The heart wrenching feeling only persisted because it felt like someone is stealing her heart from me and she would simply let them.

Yea, I see where you are coming from. To me personally the way I look at NTR / Cuck fantasies is that they are a form of "Self Harm".

I am not the kind of guy that could "Stay" in a cuckold sitaution and "Just Live With It". Those aren't even options in the way my brain operates. The only way that would happen is if I am in a coma.

Here is how my brain works and my mental flow chart in that situation:

1) Break up we are done. Go be with him if you want to be with him. You no longer mean anything to me.
2) If trapped into this situation and there is no escape... Violence.

I am not gonna sit around and let someone fuck me over like that.

 

[Meaning Less]

Here is how my brain works and my mental flow chart in that situation:

 

[slightchance]

I am not the kind of guy that could "Stay" in a cuckold sitaution and "Just Live With It". Those aren't even options in the way my brain operates. The only way that would happen is if I am in a coma.

Well for me it's just a fantasy. I don't let anyone run over me and I think a lot of people feel the same way. Why you are talking about going through it outside of the virtual world is beyond me. Porn games give you a glimpse of something you may never experience in real life. You can even pretend to suck the cock of your wife's bull before directing him into her cunt and still go to church the next day.

“It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.” - Aristotle

 

[yihman1]

Well for me it's just a fantasy. I don't let anyone run over me and I think a lot of people feel the same way. Why you are talking about going through it outside of the virtual world is beyond me. Porn games give you a glimpse of something you may never experience in real life. You can even pretend to suck the cock of your wife's bull before directing him into her cunt and still go to church the next day.

“It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.” - Aristotle

That is the most reasonable argument I have seen from an NTR fan. Basically like "I play GTA that don't mean I want shoot hookers and blow up cars."

 

[Icarus Media]

That is the most reasonable argument I have seen from an NTR fan. Basically like "I play GTA that don't mean I want shoot hookers and blow up cars."

But can we still ban onions or stone people that eat them? I feel like we're onto something, you've started something bigger than yourself, a cause you can finally fight for! It starts here, with you! The champion of the Anti-Onion brigade.

 

[yihman1]

But can we still ban onions or stone people that eat them? I feel like we're onto something, you've started something bigger than yourself, a cause you can finally fight for! It starts here, with you! The champion of the Anti-Onion brigade.

You remind me of my brother. He said "The only food that can make me cry is an onion."

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[Icarus Media]

You remind me of my brother. He said "The only food that can make me cry is an onion."

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You remind of my butthole, always bringing up shit.

 

[Penumbral Evanescence]

My obsession with NTR is to see the woman I love, who has made vows and promises to love me, be faithful and share a life with me, throw it all away for pleasure, see her succumb to depravity and corruption, see her take dominant role and exploiting my true love for her for her own benefit.
It's not about another man in the relationship, it's about her bringing another man into her life because she can, because she wants to, because she knows I don't have the strength to fight everything she does.
It's about my heart and mind being broken in the madness of her actions. The acceptance of everything she does wrong to me as a form of love. The misrepresentation of what true love should be, the abuse on it.
And if there is a homosexual element, it is for the humiliation that she wants me to go through, as proof that she has all the power in her hands and that I will obey her no matter what.

This is how I feel about Netorare.

Yeah, this closely relates to my feelings about NTR myself actually. To add to this, another factor I personally love to see a lot is the gradual slow burn corruption and/or depravity of the wife/GF/fiance (MC's main love interest). In that, I love seeing a strong-willed female start off as very stalwart and resistant to emotional blackmail, however, over the course of in-game events, she slowly but surely succumbs to morally questionable levels of depravity and corruption. An FMC that loses all means of rationale and willingly gives herself up to the antagonist. So much so, that the FMC has lost all forms of her love and mutual attraction and/or level of devotion towards the MC. Thereby, in the end, she would much rather choose to be the antagonist's primary plaything over pursuing any form of tangible romance with the MC themself.

I find that slow burn corruption in NTR-themed games (i.e., when executed well and accomplished at a timely pace) can certainly make the experience more satisfying and pleasurable to play through. Lots of games somewhat accomplish this concept to an agreeable extent, however, in particular, I found that A promise best left unkept was able to pull off the slow burn corruption elements well within its story.

But yeah, the blatant disregard for all the feelings that the MC had towards the FMC, the lasting memories that they had for one another, and how the FMC so callously walks all over the MC's emotions like their own personal doormat. That, in and of itself, is the cream of the crop of how NTR should (imo) be ideally expressed.

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[Deleted member 4438703]

Yeah, this closely relates to my feelings about NTR myself actually. To add to this, another factor I personally love to see a lot is the gradual slow burn corruption and/or depravity of the wife/GF/fiance (MC's main love interest). In that, I love seeing a strong-willed female start off as very stalwart and resistant to emotional blackmail, however, over the course of in-game events, she slowly but surely succumbs to morally questionable levels of depravity and corruption. An FMC that loses all means of rationale and willingly gives herself up to the antagonist. So much so, that the FMC has lost all forms of her love and mutual attraction and/or level of devotion towards the MC. Thereby, in the end, she would much rather choose to be the antagonist's primary plaything over pursuing any form of tangible romance with the MC themself.

I find that slow burn corruption in NTR-themed games (i.e., when executed well and accomplished at a timely pace) can certainly make the experience more satisfying and pleasurable to play through. Lots of games somewhat accomplish this concept to an agreeable extent, however, in particular, I found that A promise best left unkept was able to pull off the slow burn corruption elements well within its story.

But yeah, the blatant disregard for all the feelings that the MC had towards the FMC, the lasting memories that they had for one another, and how the FMC so callously walks all over the MC's emotions like their own personal doormat. That, in and of itself, is the cream of the crop of how NTR should (imo) be ideally expressed.

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The correct ending for Netorare is the FMC leaving the MC for the antagonist. But I prefer it when Netorare becomes Netorase over time, either because the MC accepts FMC being that way, or because FMC forces the MC to accept it. Maybe because I feel the need to worship my girlfriend/fiancée/wife even when she doesn't give a damn about me.

But I totally agree about corruption being slow, what I imagine as being ideal is the FMC being innocent/conservative, but with the antagonist's actions being small and regular, causing her to fall in love or become sexually interested in him. No rape, no blackmail, etc. Just conversations, flirtations, small gestures, things that make FMC want to be the antagonist on their own.
Even more so with the MC being able to choose to be oblivious to what happens in front of him, or else encouraging the FMC to accept corruption/depravity with management that does not show the FMC the MC's true intentions.

And sorry for the bad English.

 

[Penumbral Evanescence]

The correct ending for Netorare is the FMC leaving the MC for the antagonist. But I prefer it when Netorare becomes Netorase over time, either because the MC accepts FMC being that way, or because FMC forces the MC to accept it. Maybe because I feel the need to worship my girlfriend/fiancée/wife even when she doesn't give a damn about me.

But I totally agree about corruption being slow, what I imagine as being ideal is the FMC being innocent/conservative, but with the antagonist's actions being small and regular, causing her to fall in love or become sexually interested in him. No rape, no blackmail, etc. Just conversations, flirtations, small gestures, things that make FMC want to be the antagonist on their own.
Even more so with the MC being able to choose to be oblivious to what happens in front of him, or else encouraging the FMC to accept corruption/depravity with management that does not show the FMC the MC's true intentions.

And sorry for the bad English.

I see, I see! Duly noted. Really interesting to hear your viewpoints on the subject more closely again.

Interestingly enough, your love of slow-burn corruption (SBC) seems to take a bit of an opposite direction in comparison to my tastes xD. As, I largely prefer the FMC to be slowly blackmailed over time (i.e., by using more nefarious methods) employed by the antagonist, as opposed to charming conversations, flirtations, and other small innocent gestures. It's just that to me I find the overall NTR experience more sexually stimulating/satisfying if the SBC embedded within the game's plotline incorporates more darker elements over the course of the story, in a sense

Oh and don't worry about your English! It's perfectly understandable to me. In fact, you write more eloquently and constructively with your explanations than a lot of other people I've interacted with IRL and at work too, lmao