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I always refer back to a real life situation when I think of how far people are willing to go to do crazy shit. I know of a woman who faked a pregnancy - apparently as a way to keep a guy attached to her - and she took it all the way to a baby shower with family and friends where she used a pillow to give the illusion she was pregnant (my aunt was at the shower). The ruse ended eventually, but damn, that’s mind-blowing… the guests bought her gifts and everything. All done so she could keep a guy from dumping her.

So, given that, I chuckle when people say Kendra or Anna do things that are unbelievable, such as Kendra - who is off her meds - pulling a gun on Marcel. I mean really, that’s unrealistic? Living in the USA and following the news… this kind of crazy stuff happens all. The. Time.
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LOL, no, I love a good story above sex or even nudes or I wouldn't be playing it still but... I DO like a good story and endless chatter, repeating some of the same things giving every.... little... tiny... detail of ones life and how many times they chewed their food and farted gets a bit much after a while. It also insults my intelligence to have a girl from the office who used to hate Anna for years, suddenly friend her and within a week she's acting like a best friend and asking her an endless amount of extremely personal sexual questions and not answering any about her??

I realize this is fiction and a slow burn, which is the type of game I generally enjoy but... a half hour of looking at the same two images and paragraphs upon paragraphs of mindless chatter is a bit much. This visual novel is a whole lot of novel and not much visual or even story. I'll keep playing and HOPEFULLY my mind will change.

On a positive note, I actually loved the lack of nudity and the fact that when they had sex it showed very little, believe it or not. I was a little disappointed that different choices didn't change the story much, but I expect that to happen later I guess but... don't burn it TOO SLOW and I hope the dev learns to condense his conversations in game down to get to the point a tad faster.
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LOL, no, I love a good story above sex or even nudes or I wouldn't be playing it still but... I DO like a good story and endless chatter, repeating some of the same things giving every.... little... tiny... detail of ones life and how many times they chewed their food and farted gets a bit much after a while. That is life for many, nothing but babble about meaningless topics. Sadly, to get the story and plot one has to tease it out from the rest of the dialogue.

It also insults my intelligence to have a girl from the office who used to hate Anna for years, suddenly friend her and within a week she's acting like a best friend and asking her an endless amount of extremely personal sexual questions and not answering any about her?? The story starts with a psychopath (charming, lack of remorse, narcissist, promiscuous, manipulative, pathological, psychotic, irresponsible...etc.). Sounds like Kendra. And psychopaths will move heaven and earth to get what they want.

I realize this is fiction and a slow burn, which is the type of game I generally enjoy but... a half hour of looking at the same two images and paragraphs upon paragraphs of mindless chatter is a bit much. That would depend on what information the writer is trying to convey. It also adds a measure of having a human touch to their characters.

This visual novel is a whole lot of novel and not much visual or even story. I'll keep playing and HOPEFULLY my mind will change. Writers have a huge hill to climb when telling a story. First, they have to create the setting and define the characters. But second, overlooked in writing is getting the audience to care about the characters and get the audience involved. This is still just the start of the story and the groundwork hasn't been completed yet.

On a positive note, I actually loved the lack of nudity and the fact that when they had sex it showed very little, believe it or not. I was a little disappointed that different choices didn't change the story much, but I expect that to happen later I guess but... don't burn it TOO SLOW and I hope the dev learns to condense his conversations in game down to get to the point a tad faster.

Honestly if a change is need and that isn't too late to make them is player consequences. What I mean by that is if Anna is at a low level of submission, then the Hank route can't happen or if Anna isn't naughty enough, Chris or Jake route can't happen. The right mix of naughty and Submission then the Marvin route can't go forward. But what really is needed are key choices that close or open the routes. An example would be, Anna fantasies about Marvin and without Anna doing that then no Marvin (we would see all the side Marvin content, but not any of the "good" scenes. I really hope this game when it comes to an end that it's not like the DMV with all the male characters with a ticket are standing in line to be next for their turn.
 

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LOL, no, I love a good story above sex or even nudes or I wouldn't be playing it still but... I DO like a good story and endless chatter, repeating some of the same things giving every.... little... tiny... detail of ones life and how many times they chewed their food and farted gets a bit much after a while. That is life for many, nothing but babble about meaningless topics. Sadly, to get the story and plot one has to tease it out from the rest of the dialogue.

It also insults my intelligence to have a girl from the office who used to hate Anna for years, suddenly friend her and within a week she's acting like a best friend and asking her an endless amount of extremely personal sexual questions and not answering any about her?? The story starts with a psychopath (charming, lack of remorse, narcissist, promiscuous, manipulative, pathological, psychotic, irresponsible...etc.). Sounds like Kendra. And psychopaths will move heaven and earth to get what they want.

I realize this is fiction and a slow burn, which is the type of game I generally enjoy but... a half hour of looking at the same two images and paragraphs upon paragraphs of mindless chatter is a bit much. That would depend on what information the writer is trying to convey. It also adds a measure of having a human touch to their characters.

This visual novel is a whole lot of novel and not much visual or even story. I'll keep playing and HOPEFULLY my mind will change. Writers have a huge hill to climb when telling a story. First, they have to create the setting and define the characters. But second, overlooked in writing is getting the audience to care about the characters and get the audience involved. This is still just the start of the story and the groundwork hasn't been completed yet.

On a positive note, I actually loved the lack of nudity and the fact that when they had sex it showed very little, believe it or not. I was a little disappointed that different choices didn't change the story much, but I expect that to happen later I guess but... don't burn it TOO SLOW and I hope the dev learns to condense his conversations in game down to get to the point a tad faster.

Honestly if a change is need and that isn't too late to make them is player consequences. What I mean by that is if Anna is at a low level of submission, then the Hank route can't happen or if Anna isn't naughty enough, Chris or Jake route can't happen. The right mix of naughty and Submission then the Marvin route can't go forward. But what really is needed are key choices that close or open the routes. An example would be, Anna fantasies about Marvin and without Anna doing that then no Marvin (we would see all the side Marvin content, but not any of the "good" scenes. I really hope this game when it comes to an end that it's not like the DMV with all the male characters with a ticket are standing in line to be next for their turn.

I do agree on the consequences and the different paths and requirements. That would be a nice change, BUT... the problem with different paths like that is that it adds MUCH more work and development time to the game. The amount of possibilities multiplies exponentially with more paths. I was honestly surprised there was no real difference other than some minor dialog changes when you chose differently. I didn't like some choices I had made so I went back and redone them and.... nothing really changed.

But... maybe later? Time will tell. It's not like I'm running out of games to play. I don't even know where I heard of this one, it's one of those side games I was meaning to try.
 
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I do agree on the consequences and the different paths and requirements. That would be a nice change, BUT... the problem with different paths like that is that it adds MUCH more work and development time to the game. The amount of possibilities multiplies exponentially with more paths. I was honestly surprised there was no real difference other than some minor dialog changes when you chose differently. I didn't like some choices I had made so I went back and redone them and.... nothing really changed.

But... maybe later? Time will tell. It's not like I'm running out of games to play. I don't even know where I heard of this one, it's one of those side games I was meaning to try.
Why the choices don't differ much from each other other than a little dialogue. Because Ch1 and Ch2 are kinetic, but some Ch1 choices affect Ch2. E.g. Ch1 people were angry that Anna sent Chris photos, that she was already cheating on NTR, but Anna didn't send Chris any nude photos. The creator responded to this criticism and said she would think about it or give her a choice. But he didn't and people got angry again. In Ch2 he said that you don't know how Anna will react to sending the photos and gave a choice: How will Anna react to sending the photos in Ch2. I already have a similar situation where Chris asks Anna again to send photos and she may or may not refuse him. Just like at the pool, people were once again angry that Anna reacted badly to Marvin's groping. There is one more choice that I didn't even know about - all I had to do was go to dinner with him at Ch2. And when he Marvin's groping Anne again, there will be a choice - you can let him or not. I think in Ch3 we will have the opportunity to go to the pool with them and Kendra again, just like we did with Chris' photos. There will be a choice whether Anna should go to the swimming pool again. The creator then said that if possible, he would like to work on the same scenes with different dialogues and choices, so as not to create additional, unnecessary scenes that will lengthen the update and the game.

You're making an example




Ch1-Anna sends photos to Chris -

No choices for players

Ch2 - Anna reacts to sending photos -
The player has a choice

Ch2 - Chris asks again to send photos of Anne
The player has a choice


Ch2 - Marvin asks Anne to eat dinner with him
The player has a choice - - Change in relationship points from rejected to not sure

Ch2 - Anna is groped by Marvin at the pool
No choices for players, but if you go to dinner with Marvin
The player has a choice - Change in relationship points not sure to rejected


Ch3 - no more kinetic choices Will Anna go to the pool again with Marvin and Kendra?
The player has a choice
 
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So many essays in the comments, like people, write a game already!
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I don't mind assisting content creation unless it involves crazy amounts of time unless it's something of interest to me or am well compensated. Here, I just enjoy throwing in my two cents for the fun of it-- I only follow this game and two others because of the quality and the efforts the artists are attempting to make it a work of art and not just some erotic fantasy gone bad.
 

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So far we know that Anna is questioning her marriage with David and slowly Kendra is making some moves but it’s going incredibly slowly. My question is what needs to happen in order for her to start doing more naughty and lewd things with other guys
 
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So far we know that Anna is questioning her marriage with David and slowly Kendra is making some moves but it’s going incredibly slowly. My question is what needs to happen in order for her to start doing more naughty and lewd things with other guys
Time has to pass in the game, you can't turn a faithful wife into a cum slut in a week.
 

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So, Kendra is on a revenge streak, I mean she made her big play with the cheating scandal, her mission is unsuccessful, the perfect marriage is even stronger now. Anna has shown her loyalty to her husband, and that's the dirtiest route possible so far. THE END.
 

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So far we know that Anna is questioning her marriage with David and slowly Kendra is making some moves but it’s going incredibly slowly. My question is what needs to happen in order for her to start doing more naughty and lewd things with other guys
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It's pretty easy and I already posted "what needs to happen" earlier.

Anna and David need more of a falling out. Something else happens, like Alexia sending Anna a letter apologizing for the "affair" and that she wasn't ware Daivid was married or had thought he was getting a divorce. Time is on David's side as Anna calms down some, but such a letter would refresh Anna's rage. But another falling out point would be David does something stupid and out of frustration and anger blows up on Anna proclaiming his innocents.

Anna can find out David's company is having issues (if David had kept it quiet earlier) and Anna can take it as a lack of trust. Even better Anna could be totally innocent and some random dude hits on her, and David goes ballistic....

Any number of events can happen to stress the situation.
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Also, Anna's character hasn't been totally reviewed of her past. This would be a good time to bring up any Anna fetishes or fantasies prior to David that would help any of the other routes along.
 
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Time has to pass in the game, you can't turn a faithful wife into a cum slut in a week.
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If there is a little part of Anna that is in the past with a few quirks, Anna can fall back on them, and the transition can happen a little quicker.
 

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It's pretty easy and I already posted "what needs to happen" earlier.

Anna and David need more of a falling out. Something else happens, like Alexia sending Anna a letter apologizing for the "affair" and that she wasn't ware Daivid was married or had thought he was getting a divorce. Time is on David's side as Anna calms down some, but such a letter would refresh Anna's rage. But another falling out point would be David does something stupid and out of frustration and anger blows up on Anna proclaiming his innocents.

Anna can find out David's company is having issues (if David had kept it quiet earlier) and Anna can take it as a lack of trust. Even better Anna could be totally innocent and some random dude hits on her, and David goes ballistic....

Any number of events can happen to stress the situation.
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Also, Anna's character hasn't been totally reviewed of her past. This would be a good time to bring up any Anna fetishes or fantasies prior to David that would help any of the other routes along.
Yeah and David could check Anna’s phone and see all the sexting and dick pics from Chris and probly old geezer Grant, Marvin “the molester” and Hank “the tank”
 
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If there is a little part of Anna that is in the past with a few quirks, Anna can fall back on them, and the transition can happen a little quicker.
Well in the past Anna didn't have a baby which reminds her several times a day that she is a married mother.

That's why I'm in favor of the developer not letting us play every day and planning jumps in time. so that Anna's corruption path becomes more realistic.
 
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Well in the past Anna didn't have a baby which reminds her several times a day that she is a married mother.

That's why I'm in favor of the developer not letting us play every day and planning jumps in time. so that Anna's corruption path becomes more realistic.
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I am in total agreement with you.

*There needs to be a plausible reason why Marvin can grope Anna and a reason why Anna (had her father not been home) would have given herself to Grant... and there is the Hank route that's open**

There has to be plausible explanations that make the gross men path's work. Now for Hank, Anna can be reluctant and dominated into letting him have her but evolve to willingly except him over time. But why was Marvin able to grope Anna? And what might make Anna (after forgiving Grant) give herself to him.

So... that is why the story needs some "quirk" in Anna's past that has an effect on her personality and behavior. If it turned out Anna was a nymphomaniac all along, that would be a sad, sad explanation. But if Anna had some 'daddy" issues that were repressed... perhaps some inner demon that Anna finds appealing in being "used."

**Whatever is lurking beneath Anna personality could fuel any other tags that may come along. The developers have been quiet on all the possible tag combos that could be used {lactation, interracial, etc...}, so it is wait and see.
 
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Why the choices don't differ much from each other other than a little dialogue. Because Ch1 and Ch2 are kinetic, but some Ch1 choices affect Ch2. E.g. Ch1 people were angry that Anna sent Chris photos, that she was already cheating on NTR, but Anna didn't send Chris any nude photos. The creator responded to this criticism and said she would think about it or give her a choice. But he didn't and people got angry again. In Ch2 he said that you don't know how Anna will react to sending the photos and gave a choice: How will Anna react to sending the photos in Ch2. I already have a similar situation where Chris asks Anna again to send photos and she may or may not refuse him. Just like at the pool, people were once again angry that Anna reacted badly to Marvin's groping. There is one more choice that I didn't even know about - all I had to do was go to dinner with him at Ch2. And when he Marvin's groping Anne again, there will be a choice - you can let him or not. I think in Ch3 we will have the opportunity to go to the pool with them and Kendra again, just like we did with Chris' photos. There will be a choice whether Anna should go to the swimming pool again. The creator then said that if possible, he would like to work on the same scenes with different dialogues and choices, so as not to create additional, unnecessary scenes that will lengthen the update and the game.

You're making an example




Ch1-Anna sends photos to Chris -

No choices for players

Ch2 - Anna reacts to sending photos -
The player has a choice

Ch2 - Chris asks again to send photos of Anne
The player has a choice


Ch2 - Marvin asks Anne to eat dinner with him
The player has a choice - - Change in relationship points from rejected to not sure

Ch2 - Anna is groped by Marvin at the pool
No choices for players, but if you go to dinner with Marvin
The player has a choice - Change in relationship points not sure to rejected


Ch3 - no more kinetic choices Will Anna go to the pool again with Marvin and Kendra?
The player has a choice
Ah, yeah, you're right. It is kinetic and I do recall the DEV mentioning that.

My only issue is that it can get FAR too verbose. As I said, I LOVE a good story. I could care less about nudity and sex and in fact, I prefer there to be less of that rather than more (in context anyhow). And this story is interesting, but I feel the dev gets far too carried away with way too much text. It feels never ending at times.
 

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The discussion about Anna seems simple, it's not what it seems, maybe she'll be good at her job, but as her husband says several times, she doesn't recognize when others take advantage of her naivety, even if, being a lawyer, it's a big contradiction of the story, but the reason also derives from the way she was raised by her father, an authoritarian way of an older man, with certain values, which makes her weak. Anna is not a slut like in other games, but she is very much dominated by authoritarian and older people.
 

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Ah, yeah, you're right. It is kinetic and I do recall the DEV mentioning that.

My only issue is that it can get FAR too verbose. As I said, I LOVE a good story. I could care less about nudity and sex and in fact, I prefer there to be less of that rather than more (in context anyhow). And this story is interesting, but I feel the dev gets far too carried away with way too much text. It feels never ending at times.
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