VN Ren'Py Completed A Promise Best Left Unkept [Bonus S2 Ep 9-11] [Hangover Cat]

[Terix3]

I guess this ... "discussion" that is happening here lately is a direct consequence of popularity the title has achieved. We just can't have nice things without someone trying to shit on it. Some do it because they need validation, others want the game caretake to what they want and some just want to piss off others.
IDC for your reason - give me better written NTR "game" (VN, RPG) with multiple povs. I don't read ntr novels sry.

Something I said back before you started this was that The bad guy Luca is just Reverse Flash written worse. Can you sit there and say that's good writing?

What is Reverse Flash ? the search here results nothing.

 

[ZUBiDAM]

I guess this ... "discussion" that is happening here lately is a direct consequence of popularity the title has achieved. We just can't have nice things without someone trying to shit on it. Some do it because they need validation, others want the game caretake to what they want and some just want to piss off others.
IDC for your reason - give me better written NTR "game" (VN, RPGM) with multiple povs. I don't read ntr novels sry.


What is Reverse Flash ? the search here results nothing.

this dude from some retarded show

 

[NewTricks]

this dude from some retarded show

The irony is where The Flash had an NTR episode where Barry went to the future and found out that Eobard used a magic book to bang his wife for a decade and he showed up just in time to object at the wedding lol. I think that the reverse flash reference was used just because of how inventive this particular villain is in finding new and inventive ways to break the space-time continuum and risk throwing himself and the entire universe into oblivion just to fuck with one guy who pissed him off one time even though said guy doesn't even remember doing it because he hasn't done it yet.

 

[criestoomuch]

I'm too lazy to go back and find the quote. But, someone made a post talking about the dissonance of Laura's character in and out of the bedroom. And I didn't respond because they didn't say anything that hadn't been said already. They just said it slightly different way. But, it got me thinking about how I wish Laura hadn't agreed to the get another rule for making the other one cum meta rule. She should have known that orgasms can be a purely physiological response. And that given month Luca could figure her out. Not to mention his insane stamina. But, she knew she was going to fuck him the first time she laid eyes on him. She's always been broken. And that's exactly why Harry's attracted to her. Everything else is just window dressing bullshit.

 

[SiriusBlack]

I guess this ... "discussion" that is happening here lately is a direct consequence of popularity the title has achieved. We just can't have nice things without someone trying to shit on it. Some do it because they need validation, others want the game caretake to what they want and some just want to piss off others.

Oh, you don't know how much i agree with you. Mostly people who wants a game made for their likings, coming on this forum just to throw shit around. But alas, it's a free world.

IDC for your reason - give me better written NTR "game" (VN, RPG) with multiple povs. I don't read ntr novels sry.

I don't usually read VNs, only a few, so maybe i'm not the right person to give you suggestions. I remember Swing and Miss hit quite the similar spots back in the days. I really don't remember how many PoW it has tho. It's also starts from Netorase iirc, so you may diskile it. If you really like writings in your eroge you should at least give a try to novels tho, VN and LN should be the best media for those tastes.

 

[Terix3]

this dude from some retarded show

Ok so it was not an example but a hyperbole. Thanks.

Zastinx Luca is written in a way that serves the purpose of delivering ntr. He has position of power ( he is making the rules that other characters need to play by) , infinite stamina (so he can dominate through sex) and he has the goal of making MC life miserable. We are not shown other aspects of his character as the story is not about him. Now it is natural to be curious what made him that way and i believe we got satisfying explanation in this patch.

The irony is where The Flash had an NTR episode where Barry went to the future and found out that Eobard used a magic book to bang his wife for a decade and he showed up just in time to object at the wedding lol. I think that the reverse flash reference was used just because of how inventive this particular villain is in finding new and inventive ways to break the space-time continuum and risk throwing himself and the entire universe into oblivion just to fuck with one guy who pissed him off one time even though said guy doesn't even remember doing it because he hasn't done it yet.

That is like nothing uncommon. People do blame others for their own misery even when those people are not remotely responsible. History is a very testimony for that. If you mix in actual trauma then one can develop psychotic level of hate towards another simply because that person had it all while they had none.

 

[Zastinx]

I guess this ... "discussion" that is happening here lately is a direct consequence of popularity the title has achieved. We just can't have nice things without someone trying to shit on it. Some do it because they need validation, others want the game caretake to what they want and some just want to piss off others.
IDC for your reason - give me better written NTR "game" (VN, RPG) with multiple povs. I don't read ntr novels sry.


What is Reverse Flash ? the search here results nothing.

Not really

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[Terix3]

Not really

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Not really what? That character you are referring to is nonsense in nonsense universe, i would say it's fitting. But i don't see the relevance to our story. I'm afraid you will need to write something more concrete if we are to discuss the way Luca is written.

 

[Zastinx]

His

Not really what? That character you are referring to is nonsense in nonsense universe, i would say it's fitting. But i don't see the relevance to our story. I'm afraid you will need to write something more concrete if we are to discuss the way Luca is written.

Both of their whole existence is to make someone's life as miserable and to top it off it's pretty much just because they can. Now I need to point something out that some people can't wrap their head around. I think Luca is written poorly and that's it. I don't like Laura but that's got nothing to do with the writing quality. The whole stamina thing and such I have an issue with and such btw is it just also drags him closer to a generic ntr villain stereotype which I find disappointing.

 

[AJlyKarD]

That's all that I can say about this crazy fucking whores, that's all.
Nothing else shouldn't be discussing here.
They don't deserve anything else.

 

[Terix3]

His

Both of their whole existence is to make someone's life as miserable and to top it off it's pretty much just because they can. Now I need to point something out that some people can't wrap their head around. I think Luca is written poorly and that's it. I don't like Laura but that's got nothing to do with the writing quality. The whole stamina thing and such I have an issue with and such btw is it just also drags him closer to a generic ntr villain stereotype which I find disappointing.

You might as well complain about superhero movie having superheroes in it. Your only argument about Luca poor writing is that he exists to make someone's life miserable. Sure he does but that is not a sign of bad writing, he doesn't do more because the story is not about him. Likewise the Reverse Flash is not poorly written because of being Flash nemesis but because how he does it - he does some crazy convoluted plots to have insignificant impact on Flash and any minor bad past events are attributed to his interference. Luca plays no petty tricks on Harry, his plan is rather simple and goal clear. He does things that do put his plan at unnecessary risks tho - like exposing himself before he has broken in Laura. Buuut NTR game needs NTR scenes.
I've said this few times already - NTR is a very restrictive, it greatly inhibits what you can write. The author could go wild and write without following those "ntr landmarks" but it wouldn't make ntr fans happy. I'm sure you have seen complains here already that the writing takes away from the ntr experience.

 

[Zastinx]

You might as well complain about superhero movie having superheroes in it. Your only argument about Luca poor writing is that he exists to make someone's life miserable. Sure he does but that is not a sign of bad writing, he doesn't do more because the story is not about him. Likewise the Reverse Flash is not poorly written because of being Flash nemesis but because how he does it - he does some crazy convoluted plots to have insignificant impact on Flash and any minor bad past events are attributed to his interference. Luca plays no petty tricks on Harry, his plan is rather simple and goal clear. He does things that do put his plan at unnecessary risks tho - like exposing himself before he has broken in Laura. Buuut NTR game needs NTR scenes.
I've said this few times already - NTR is a very restrictive, it greatly inhibits what you can write. The author could go wild and write without following those "ntr landmarks" but it wouldn't make ntr fans happy. I'm sure you have seen complains here already that the writing takes away from the ntr experience.

First thing no I completely disagree there. True that is my only argument because it's my only big problem with this. What's to argue here? The author should just give him a motive why not? It just fills up a problem with the story and doesn't need to be that long. I would have no complaints involving quality. Also he plays far too bigger role here to shrug off that it isn't about him.
So about what you said in the other part I'm guessing by landmarks you mean troupes. I actually haven't seen those complaints, I don't doubt you but I do find that baffling.
Actually as of writing this while I remember I think its worth mentioning I actually came to this opinion of mine when Luca literally says he wants to make Harry's life as miserable as possible but when asked why he just says something worthless and its just whatever and then nothing more. So this all stems from the fact I got excited on the prospect it was going to actually become more in-depth read on the bad guy in an ntr vn but then it didn't disappointment sunk in and then I was like "Wow this guy reminds of Reverse Flash".

 

[Terix3]

First thing no I completely disagree there. True that is my only argument because it's my only big problem with this. What's to argue here? The author should just give him a motive why not? It just fills up a problem with the story and doesn't need to be that long. I would have no complaints involving quality. Also he plays far too bigger role here to shrug off that it isn't about him.

The motive is his hate towards Harry, how he came to hate Harry was explained in recent patch. But in bullying often there is no motive, simply the person being weaker is enough of a reason. Things like having more money, good grades ,clothing, nice gf , nice family anything really that the bully can see as unfair can invoke hate and be the reason. Luca is not written any worse than real life stories are.

Actually as of writing this while I remember I think its worth mentioning I actually came to this opinion of mine when Luca literally says he wants to make Harry's life as miserable as possible but when asked why he just says something worthless and its just whatever and then nothing more.

Nothing strange in this, did you consider that Luca may not want to admit to why? His worthless answer being dead giveaway of that. Bully generally will not tell you the real reason why is he bullying because he would be to admit that his life is worse than life of the person he is bullying. What he is to say "my life is shit, moms a drunk ,dad in jail , my house is a dump and he has all those nice things while he is so weak !!" .

 

[Deleted member 1605127]

I'm too lazy to go back and find the quote. But, someone made a post talking about the dissonance of Laura's character in and out of the bedroom. And I didn't respond because they didn't say anything that hadn't been said already. They just said it slightly different way. But, it got me thinking about how I wish Laura hadn't agreed to the get another rule for making the other one cum meta rule. She should have known that orgasms can be a purely physiological response. And that given month Luca could figure her out. Not to mention his insane stamina. But, she knew she was going to fuck him the first time she laid eyes on him. She's always been broken. And that's exactly why Harry's attracted to her. Everything else is just window dressing bullshit.

Can you elaborate on the "she knew she was going to fuck him the first time she laid eyes on him. She's always been broken" part? I don't remember much from the beginning; you mean this before or after he said about the USB case as blackmail material? Was he being to friendly with her from the get go?
And I suppose that, by broken, you meant the flaws concerning her past and her mother's part in it, is that it?

I do have my own hypothesis concerning Laura's dissonante behaviour, and I can lay it here if you're interested, but I'd like to better understand what you meant when you said that.

 

[Zastinx]

The motive is his hate towards Harry, how he came to hate Harry was explained in recent patch. But in bullying often there is no motive, simply the person being weaker is enough of a reason. Things like having more money, good grades ,clothing, nice gf , nice family anything really that the bully can see as unfair can invoke hate and be the reason. Luca is not written any worse than real life stories are.


Nothing strange in this, did you consider that Luca may not want to admit to why? His worthless answer being dead giveaway of that. Bully generally will not tell you the real reason why is he bullying because he would be to admit that his life is worse than life of the person he is bullying. What he is to say "my life is shit, moms a drunk ,dad in jail , my house is a dump and he has all those nice things while he is so weak !!" .

I'll admit I didn't consider that and I did forget he seemed to have mummy issues. I've dealt with bullies before in school and can say from experience the "they have a worse life than yours" is not typically true. In short they're kids and kids are stupid. You mention weak and that actually made me think of something. How are these people getting listed as weak by him anyway? I guess it's actually because he has such insecurities about himself maybe? Well I supposed the author will explain that or did in the patch and I didn't see.
Anyway what I did see when I played this (previous version) was that there is supposed to be good end in here so I guess he'll eventually get his due. I hope when the author gets around to that, it involves Harry point out his weakness after going full detective on Luca it could potentially be pretty interesting and hey maybe finish it off with a situation having Harry say "Go ahead, make my day". Or how about something like this

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[Terix3]

I'll admit I didn't consider that and I did forget he seemed to have mummy issues. I've dealt with bullies before in school and can say from experience the "they have a worse life than yours" is not typically true. In short they're kids and kids are stupid. You mention weak and that actually made me think of something. How are these people getting listed as weak by him anyway? I guess it's actually because he has such insecurities about himself maybe? Well I supposed the author will explain that or did in the patch and I didn't see.
Anyway what I did see when I played this (previous version) was that there is supposed to be good end in here so I guess he'll eventually get his due. I hope when the author gets around to that, it involves Harry point out his weakness after going full detective on Luca it could potentially be pretty interesting and hey maybe finish it off with a situation having Harry say "Go ahead, make my day". Or how about something like this

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Those were just examples but they do share one thing in common - the victim is not guilty of anything and probably doesn't know why is being bullied.

Weakness is generally considered in physical sense as bullying is mostly physical but it is not limited to such. I think any field where the victim can't resist the bully can be seen as weakness. But some will see acting nice and being well behaved as weakness so maybe more accurate is "any filed that the bully consider themselves superior in".

I'm not going to spoil anything but i got the feeling you are in wrong place. You are appear to want revenge or "good wins in the end" type of story where this is dark hard ntr story where if they don't end up dead or mentally shattered it is good end. May I ask you for your favorite NTR story ?

 

[Zastinx]

I know how this game goes I played to the end followed in game guide to see all current endings too. I went through it because I like vn's and I saw this was still getting updated (you surely know how much games get dropped in then abandoned here) so I thought I should give it a fair shake. So from what I can tell from what you said you didn't even pick up that I was joking in part of it. Just when I thought it we were getting near to getting on the same wavelength too. Anyway I just pointed out that ending was there but not complete, my thoughts, a reference and a joke.
As for my favourite... well I guess slowburn since it makes more sense and/or with branches that lead to disaster like this but with a true end if you don't fuck up. Also, enough creativity to not get locked into just cheap stereotypes. From what I've seen on this website I feel Star Knightess Aura seems to be going in a good direction when it comes to that. I'll just add what I hate so you know, it's Netorase and total retard protags. I also can say that all these specific likes and dislikes are from the fact that I typically in games view myself through the eyes of the protagonist. Harry isn't one of those total retards you get sometimes rather he's just too gullible and nice.

 

[criestoomuch]

Can you elaborate on the "she knew she was going to fuck him the first time she laid eyes on him. She's always been broken" part? I don't remember much from the beginning; you mean this before or after he said about the USB case as blackmail material? Was he being to friendly with her from the get go?
And I suppose that, by broken, you meant the flaws concerning her past and her mother's part in it, is that it?

I do have my own hypothesis concerning Laura's dissonante behaviour, and I can lay it here if you're interested, but I'd like to better understand what you meant when you said that.

She is obviously very attracted to him immediately. To the point she's low key very excited by his mere presence. And it's not until Harry tells her about his past that she starts to push Luca away. But, even then she has some doubts(I could be blending the timeline in my mind.) And when push comes to shove she doesn't go to Harry with the whole truth. She just tells him enough to justify herself. Because the bullying of Harry turned her on deep down. She just couldn't admit it outright because of her mother.

Go ahead and lay your theory on me. If you can. I can't further elaborate on my interpretation of her character. I will probably just leave a reaction and let you end the conversation there. Or at least our back and forth.

 

[Zastinx]

PoD, go get mental treatment. Holding a grudge like this isn't healthy Or at the very least try learn from Terix3 and myself on how to discuss opinions you don't agree with.

 

[Terix3]

I know how this game goes I played to the end followed in game guide to see all current endings too. I went through it because I like vn's and I saw this was still getting updated (you surely know how much games get dropped in then abandoned here) so I thought I should give it a fair shake. So from what I can tell from what you said you didn't even pick up that I was joking in part of it. Just when I thought it we were getting near to getting on the same wavelength too. Anyway I just pointed out that ending was there but not complete, my thoughts, a reference and a joke.
As for my favourite... well I guess slowburn since it makes more sense and/or with branches that lead to disaster like this but with a true end if you don't fuck up. Also, enough creativity to not get locked into just cheap stereotypes. From what I've seen on this website I feel Star Knightess Aura seems to be going in a good direction when it comes to that. I'll just add what I hate so you know, it's Netorase and total retard protags. I also can say that all these specific likes and dislikes are from the fact that I typically in games view myself through the eyes of the protagonist. Harry isn't one of those total retards you get sometimes rather he's just too gullible and nice.

That game doesn't have ending and is probably years off having one. If good ending is important for you how it can be your favorite? Nothing more "finished" as example? To my understanding that game is more of corruption than NTR, fundamentally supernatural factor waters down NTR aspect. Also it is primarily female pov while here it is male pov hmmm.
It is important how you tell the joke and what is the joke. You wouldn't tell the joke if there was nothing to it. Here again i note you say "branches that lead to disaster like this but with a true end if you don't fuck up". Nothing what you said about your preferences indicates that you like NTR.

You can try the game for whatever reason but when it doesn't fit your tastes please don't try to frame it as poor writing.