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I heard you my good people! And thus, here is a more precise procedure to win the game.

But first, it should be said that the game is designed to make you lose. Losing is more interesting, I think, when it is not on purpose, and winning is more rewarding when you have overcome a challenge (even if only through meta-knowledge of how the game works). That being said, it seems like I've made the game a tad too loss-oriented. Let me know what you think.

So, for those who are unable to get to the good ending, I have listed a fistful of options that should guarantee you a fortunate fate. You don't have to choose all of these options, and I've glossed over other decisions that also have consequences, but I think that even if you deliberately choose the worst of all possible courses of action, as long as you follow these instructions, you should be fine.
That seems to have worked. So I think my issue when playing without a guide was the fact that I didn't anticipate how much the initial portion before you ever enter the tavern sets things up. As well, I usually drink a few times before starting to grope Natacha, including the one time I had won the arm wrestling but ended up losing the bar fight.

Is there any major variations in the epilogue 10 years later? It feels like that portion is always the same, minor dialogue changes aside.
 
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Rollogonde

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That seems to have worked. So I think my issue when playing without a guide was the fact that I didn't anticipate how much the initial portion before you ever enter the tavern sets things up. As well, I usually drink a few times before starting to grope Natacha, including the one time I had won the arm wrestling but ended up losing the bar fight.

Is there any major variations in the epilogue 10 years later? It feels like that portion is always the same, minor dialogue changes aside.
I'm glad this was helpful!

The beginning only really matters inasmuch as it will decide whether you win or lose Natacha's challenge. If you ignore her or just start chatting, it's not that important.

As for drinking at the end, yes it's bad. Not when you're doing it for the first time, but if you continue despite the warnings, you will indeed lose.

Regarding the epilogue. No, it is always the same, except, as always, for some minor variations.

Thanks, that would have helped.
Would, and not will, cause I don't think I will try it again.

The main problem is that there isn't any save option !
To try something different, you have to remake the whole game. Everytime.
And without any walkthrough, well... It's not "difficult", it's almost impossible to get the good choices.
Why impossible ? Cause the mood of the situation, the great humour, the flirting, clearly in swinging kind of goal, everything leads to choose "funny answers". And what you explain here tends to promote quite the opposite : you have to answer like you were some kind of dork-alpha morron, to have a chance to "win" the game.
The ambiance on one side, and how you have to act to "win", they both in opposite ways.
From what I saw in my only try.

Ok, you say that loosing can be more interesting then winning.
I really live that kind of spirit !
Except that when you see what you endure if you don't win, well... Sorry, but its 's a big NO.

I thought that it could be some kind of swinging story, but it seems it isn't. Funny discussion, good mood, I nuy a drink, funny prank... But in the end, acting like that, the "reward" is that my girlfriend is brutally raped by that man (she's obviously not consentant).
Which IMO totally ruins the funny and sexy mood of the whole situation :confused:
I was like "whaaat ?? Did I misunderstood the whole thing from the beginning ??"
I probably didn't make the "good" choices, ok ; but I don't play funny games to feel at the end the urge to kill someone. There was no warning on that risk. There wasn't the only possible choice : take my blade and slace the throat of that asshole before he goes away with my girlfriend.
But no : the MC just doesn't care, as long as he can chat a few minutes with the other girl.
Sorry, but no.
This whole "rape doom" was a huge disappointment in the end.

Very sad, cause this game was really different !
I'm sorry that your experience was not an enjoyable one. I can see how the game might suggest a swinging thing; but yes, it's just not that kind of experience. As for the slitting of the urchin's throat, offering such an option would be most unbecoming. This is a proper house, we don't provide such objectionable violence.
 
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Armelle69

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I'm sorry that your experience was not an enjoyable one. I can see how the game might suggest a swinging thing; but yes, it's just not that kind of experience. As for the slitting of the urchin's throat, offering such an option would be most unbecoming. This is a proper house, we don't provide such objectionable violence.
No, you just torture and violate people instead, and deny the right to defend yourself... well well...

At least, if you see why the game suggests a "swinging thing", it means that there is indeed a serious problem in there. It's like you promise something, but you give quite the opposite at the last moment.
 

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Although the goal was always to represent sexuality in an indirect way, I do think that the writing sometimes comes off as a bit too flowery and elliptical. My lack of experience with the English language is showing. I hope to do better next time!
You don't need to be better at the language IMO, it's already fine. It's just that in a bigger game, having language that's too abstract might be missing the point in a porn game. For example, if the player is drunk or high, then it makes sense. If the situation is tense, then flowery language (that hints at violence and rape) would be completely perfect. One example of this is "singng". When they're talking about the girl who "sang" with the bad guy (forgot his name lol), such as the quote about "Interesting example of monogamy " from I think Manou(?), it's good to call it "singing". But within the thoughts of the main character, he should be thinking things like "the girl's makeup and lips is smeared, her hair is in disarray. It's clear [bad guy] used her mouth like like a piece of meat and face fucked her".

Another example of this would be when Manou is getting raped next door and you hear her screams. There's no need to use non-descriptive language for that because as the audience we WANT to "see" what was going on. We want to hear how MC was thinking that Manou is being raped. And within the thoughts of the MC, there's no need to think with "indrectness".

I'll check it out, thanks. That being said, for this project I used Ink (created and used by Inkle: 80 days, sorcery, etc.) and I'm tremendously pleased by it.
I think you're right, there's no need to change engine. This is perfectly fine. (I just don't know how they handle variables, but looking at your walkthrough it seems they definitely have flags)

You may be right, but I wouldn't have known where to start. I'm pretty much uneducated when it comes to porn (especially real life porn) while, on the other hand, I have a small background (offset by my pompiers tastes) in fine art.
But one thing is for sure. My next project will not use the same gimmick for the visual.
Sadly I also do not have a hint on a place where developers can grab images to use. I don't think it'll be that hard. For example, the portraits can easily be any porn star you can grab a screenshot of, or get some head shots from a model. Or any headshots on Google.

For the sex stuff, you just need to google some sex positons and crop out the faces (so it's not obvious that they are composites of different girls). For example, in the game you have a shot of meat hanging off some meat hooks as an example of Manou being abused. I think that imagery is fine, but I honestly thought the bad dude killed her and skinned her (because of the image). You can just go to xvideos, pornhub, or any porn image search maybe Bing, and crop out an image of a girl covered in cum with her vagina in full view. Crop out the face, and place it there. If there is another level of care to make it seem that the images are not from different sources, you can run it through a filter (any app out there, don't need PhotoShop) that will normalize the values on the image.

The beauty is you don't NEED sex images for this game. There's so many games without it. But you definitely want better headshots that display different emotions if possible. If you DO decide to use sex images, for example for forced blowjob, then just grab one that focuses solely on the mouth and cock. You don't need a full frontal thing, Google "blowjob closeup" and see like hundreds of images where it's just the girl, the cock, and her mouth. No hair no eyes.
 
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I wish the epilogue had some more scenarios, but otherwise, I liked this. It's good to see a text-based game that doesn't involve furries, monsters, transformation or other weird shit. They're pretty rare as text-based games go.

I'm curious where you'll go from here. You have my interest.
 

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Thank you! I also wish the epilogue was a bit more fleshed out, but alas, I ran out of steam. Writing this game has already taken me months and I couldn't afford to devote more time to it.

Maybe in a future deluxe edition (unlikely, but who knows?)...
 
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Some people are born deviant. They don't seem to be able to abide by the norms that our society has put in place. They do things like play video games on a non 16:9 screen. But we must be tolerant of such degenerate behavior, and it is in the name of that tolerance that I hereby present this patch, which adds full support for all kinds of disturbing aspect ratios.

The patch also fixes a few small bugs and typos. So even if you're a square, go get it.
Seriously, whatever you're smoking, keep doing it. I love the writing and allegories. It's unique and a fine blend of erotic comedy. Like Monty Python had a lovechild with a pornstar.

Game itself also reminds me of The Procession to Calvary. Awesome game, you should check it out.

Thanks for all your advices. I'll keep them in mind.
I actually disagree, I don't want to see any real-life images or typical descriptions for scenes. The implications are fine, it's what set this game apart from others.
 
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Game itself also reminds me of The Procession to Calvary. Awesome game, you should check it out.
I have yet to play The Procession to Calvary, but I have played Joe Richardson's previous games, The Preposterous Awesomeness of Everything and Four Last Things, and I consider him to be perhaps the funniest man in the game-making biz.

Needless to say, to have my game even remotely compared to his should be enough to make me blush for the next few hours.
 
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Writing this game
I have three main things to say.
1. The Good. This is one of those games that doesn't really need porn to remain interesting. It's quite rare for the porn game to achieve that. But this game is even better because it doesn't really need fantasy elements to be interesting either. I would even say that mentioning of monsters and professional adventuring subtracts from the atmosphere more than adds to it. Great writing! Language and music, setting and characters, imagery is so good that you really feel the experience.
2. The Bad. Comes from the Good. The game is too hard to "win" (although your walkthrough saved the day). What's worse, the "winning strategy" isn't even remotely logical so you will need a walkthough to beat that game. And that is important, because, while losing can be fun, it isn't when you feel the atmosphere on such a level. I'm much less inclined towards netorare now just because reading those things here was almost painful. And no respite in killing the bastard? No sir, that's too much.
3. The Ugly. The game gives you really strong swinging wibes. I mean that those are so strong that while protagonist is going in the room with Natasha (without a fight) player can be oblivious to the fact that protagonist gilfriend would be brutally raped and he wouldn't get any. That can seriosly spoil someone's fun.
 

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Thank you all for your lovely comments and more generally for your always instructive inputs.

I have three main things to say.
1. The Good. This is one of those games that doesn't really need porn to remain interesting. It's quite rare for the porn game to achieve that. But this game is even better because it doesn't really need fantasy elements to be interesting either. I would even say that mentioning of monsters and professional adventuring subtracts from the atmosphere more than adds to it. Great writing! Language and music, setting and characters, imagery is so good that you really feel the experience.
2. The Bad. Comes from the Good. The game is too hard to "win" (although your walkthrough saved the day). What's worse, the "winning strategy" isn't even remotely logical so you will need a walkthough to beat that game. And that is important, because, while losing can be fun, it isn't when you feel the atmosphere on such a level. I'm much less inclined towards netorare now just because reading those things here was almost painful. And no respite in killing the bastard? No sir, that's too much.
3. The Ugly. The game gives you really strong swinging wibes. I mean that those are so strong that while protagonist is going in the room with Natasha (without a fight) player can be oblivious to the fact that protagonist gilfriend would be brutally raped and he wouldn't get any. That can seriosly spoil someone's fun.
That's pretty much in line with what Armelle69 wrote before. I will think about it. That being said, I can't help but get a little envious of how vividly you both seem to be able to experience what's going on in the game. I think it's been decades since I've felt in front of a work of fiction a sentiment that I would describe in words as strong as yours.
 
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ItsEricBoi: hi, I don't know how to answer your question. I think the best is that you try the game and see for yourself. It's free and it's short (20 minutes). You won't waste much time.
 

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Yeah, murder is bad but rape is A-OK. I'm not at all surprised that a frenchman write this tripe.
Interesting point of view... As I pointed this awkward choice myself, in my previous post (even more harshly than you did) :

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and I'm french.
Ok, a girl. But almost every french would have reacted like me, boys and girls alike.
I don't know where you got the "information" that frenchmen are ok with rape (Fow news maybe ? :sneaky: ). But I'm pretty sure you should change your source of information ;)
 
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