RPGM A Struggle with Sin [v0.6.1.1b] [Chyos]

[Heitcaho]

Yes, there is no railroad mechanic even if I recommend doing multiple quests at once, cuz you’ll need some stats from other quests that‘ll make your life much easier like lock picking and witchcraft.
For example in a quest for a girl you have 3 option to end the it, and one of these options requires witchcraft

To my limited knowledge that isn't quite true. You are railroaded to a certain extent at least how the current game stands. You cannot kill the Big Orc unless you romance Tia, you can't romance Emily unless you've started to romance Mira, Katherin needs Tia's quest and so on.
One that is real annoying is that you apparently can't have kids unless you have completed the Emily path for the orphanage.

I assume it would take crazy amount of time, but I would like to see some paths detangled from each other in the future.

 

[zARRR]

To my limited knowledge that isn't quite true. You are railroaded to a certain extent at least how the current game stands. You cannot kill the Big Orc unless you romance Tia, you can't romance Emily unless you've started to romance Mira, Katherin needs Tia's quest and so on.
One that is real annoying is that you apparently can't have kids unless you have completed the Emily path for the orphanage.

I assume it would take crazy amount of time, but I would like to see some paths detangled from each other in the future.

Yes sadly for some stuff to unlock you need to romance, but you can bang Emily just fine without touching Mira, I know it because in one of my save files I neglected Mira, and actually you can still have kids but they just don’t go to the orphanage.
Of course if you don’t do any of corruption or other stuff you lock yourself from many content

 

[Heitcaho]

Yes sadly for some stuff to unlock you need to romance, but you can bang Emily just fine without touching Mira, I know it because in one of my save files I neglected Mira, and actually you can still have kids but they just don’t go to the orphanage.
Of course if you don’t do any of corruption or other stuff you lock yourself from many content

I thought you had to get caught kissing Mira to start the story of her parentage and make her enter the church. And to unlock the rest of Emily's story Mira needs to go away. Is there a work around I didn't find?

 

[zARRR]

I thought you had to get caught kissing Mira to start the story of her parentage and make her enter the church. And to unlock the rest of Emily's story Mira needs to go away. Is there a work around I didn't find?

No sorry my bad I have made an error and misinterpreted the thing, yes at some point Mira needs to be continued to put Emily in the orphanage, but she can be neglected in terms of sex and stuff, just the kiss and initiation, sorry again for the confusion

 

[zARRR]

I assume it would take crazy amount of time, but I would like to see some paths detangled from each other in the future.

For the tangled questlines I am not sure, the more I look at it and the more I believe I was wrong and that there is a group characters that is indeed too connected to itself to be progressed alone.
For example take Lyvia, you need to sleep at Emily’s to get to Imawyin or Liandra, you need to progress Frisha.
Sometimes you can avoid romancing and sometimes not, you can completely don’t give a fuck for Tia and you lose a big chunk of the story and alchemist, while you can neglect Penny and you don’t lose much in terms of gameplay.
It’s not as tangled up as other games where you’ll have to lose your mind over progressing that bad written character to continue the story, but it’s neither as free as I thought

 

[Heitcaho]

For the tangled questlines I am not sure, the more I look at it and the more I believe I was wrong and that there is a group characters that is indeed too connected to itself to be progressed alone.
For example take Lyvia, you need to sleep at Emily’s to get to Imawyin or Liandra, you need to progress Frisha.
Sometimes you can avoid romancing and sometimes not, you can completely don’t give a fuck for Tia and you lose a big chunk of the story and alchemist, while you can neglect Penny and you don’t lose much in terms of gameplay.
It’s not as tangled up as other games where you’ll have to lose your mind over progressing that bad written character to continue the story, but it’s neither as free as I thought

Lyvia I'd say is fine as all you need to do to unlock the Bandit/Mercenary questline is just sleeping in the house. You don't need to start or follow any character's path for that. Liandra could be unlocked if you were given a choice to accept Frisha's kiss or not after you save her.

I feel like you could do the Rumah questline without Tia by having the PC go to the village and get turned away which would unlock a quest to get a way in. That could lead to finding the missing hunters and saving them to get access in. Honestly Rumah could even be side stepped by using the Mercenaries if the Dev ever decided to go that route.

Katherin could just be one dialogue option when you find her and simply ask for herbalism training, she tells you no which enables the event where you save her from the Orcs. From there you could unlock the skill and romance her without her Tia's involvement.

I personally just like the freedom of choice as some skills are extremely helpful so it sucks you NEED to cheat on some characters and lie to them which should lower morality (if good morality ever has a benefit IMO).

 

[zARRR]

Lyvia I'd say is fine as all you need to do to unlock the Bandit/Mercenary questline is just sleeping in the house. You don't need to start or follow any character's path for that. Liandra could be unlocked if you were given a choice to accept Frisha's kiss or not after you save her.

I feel like you could do the Rumah questline without Tia by having the PC go to the village and get turned away which would unlock a quest to get a way in. That could lead to finding the missing hunters and saving them to get access in. Honestly Rumah could even be side stepped by using the Mercenaries if the Dev ever decided to go that route.

Katherin could just be one dialogue option when you find her and simply ask for herbalism training, she tells you no which enables the event where you save her from the Orcs. From there you could unlock the skill and romance her without her Tia's involvement.

I personally just like the freedom of choice as some skills are extremely helpful so it sucks you NEED to cheat on some characters and lie to them which should lower morality (if good morality ever has a benefit IMO).

I agree, it would be nice to have these things, maybe in a distant future.
But for now we have these which is Not as bad, also the morality system is still not elaborated imo.
For now you get benefits only from being a corrupted individual, and being noble seems useless except to get points with Lyvia in non repteable events

 

[SunlessXre]

I disagree with using the cheat book to make the game easier, it not an hellish game and also cheats can break the game.
I always go at the beginning with two quests, Tia and Emily and if I can’t find a bed I go to Penny.
Then I put some some stats and when I am at an enough high level I just go everywhere I want

The poster said he feels the game is daunting. Why suggest a route that would make it even more so?

As i said in the post. For his first playthrough, he should be getting a feel for how the quests, skills and events intersect, and lean on one another. How to figure out or find solutions, etc.

Then when he Is comfortable, he should start a real playthrough, and thoroughly enjoy the experience.

Adding grind to that equation can just make things needlessly tedious, when you are already feeling overwhelmed with an experience, or when you get stuck.


This person might be New to these types of experiences.
Especially one made by a smaller dev, who makes more obtuse, and less player friendly content compared to their main stream million writer AAA counterparts, who do focus testing, and expensive QA to make an intuitive experience.

 

[zARRR]

The poster said he feels the game is daunting. Why suggest a route that would make it even more so?

As i said in the post. For his first playthrough, he should be getting a feel for how the quests, skills and events intersect, and lean on one another. How to figure out or find solutions, etc.

Those two routes ain’t daunting, I just suggested another way to play the game,
Of course be needs to get acquainted to the quests and things, but he can do it in various ways.
If I suggested an actual daunting beginning, I would have chosen others, like only work at Penny’s farm losing stamina and do Frisha’s immediately.
Only with cheats I disagree the rest is ok, you gave a good summary of stats

 

[Samsul Hidayat]

Just corrupt Hiba, have Tia with hugh corruption, have sex with Hiba 3 times in front of Tia and do her quest.

So, to get the basic alchemy recipes, we have to cuck Tomaz? And there's no other method?

Poor lad.

 

[zARRR]

So, to get the basic alchemy recipes, we have to cuck Tomaz? And there's no other method?

Poor lad.

Sadly yes for now, cucking is the key to become a master alchemist

 

[Strangert]

full ntr save pla

 

[Samsul Hidayat]

Sadly yes for now, cucking is the key to become a master alchemist

Thank you for your service, but I'm a bit confused about empty vials.
Is the ability to make vials of water tied to having basic alchemy, or I could still do it with advanced alchemy only? Or I could just make them without both alchemies in current version?

 

[yazda]

Thank you for your service, but I'm a bit confused about empty vials.
Is the ability to make vials of water tied to having basic alchemy, or I could still do it with advanced alchemy only? Or I could just make them without both alchemies in current version?

You get advanced alchemy and empty vials from Tias mom after you tried anal on Tia

 

[mrttao]

mrttao EZ start guide​

This guide explains how to quickly ramp up to avoid the grind.

It assumes you have the pdf for walkthrough which is linked in the OP as well.
The walkthrough explains step by step how to do each quest, but does not contain advice on how to avoid the grind and which order quests should be done.

If mrttao EZ start guide says "your next step is to upgrade your weapons to silver by doing Corven Quest" then you should refer to to the walkthrough for a detailed step by step on how to do corven quest. Or just follow the in game quest log of you prefer.

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[mrttao]

If I remember right you can melt the keys into bars

I checked and there is no option to melt demon keys into anything.
also shadow stones are not bars

I disagree with using the cheat book to make the game easier, it not an hellish game and also cheats can break the game.
I always go at the beginning with two quests, Tia and Emily and if I can’t find a bed I go to Penny.
Then I put some some stats and when I am at an enough high level I just go everywhere I want

the game is unreasonably grindy. You should cheat. I am mostly annoyed that it is impossible to get cheats after the fact. I am not losing days of progress just to enable cheats. this is very annoying
I don't think I have ever seen any other game that has such a ridiculous limitation. it completely defeats the purpose of cheats.
people normally start with cheats disabled and then later on enable them

also the game is not HARD. not by a longshot. I found the guide instructions on early play to be bad and just went with penny instead. penny is super easy start. No difficulty at all, just tedious. That being said it can be less tedious. one second writing my own guide

 

[Ottoeight]

I checked and there is no option to melt demon keys into anything.
also shadow stones are not bars

the game is unreasonably grindy. You should cheat. I am mostly annoyed that it is impossible to get cheats after the fact. I am not losing days of progress just to enable cheats. this is very annoying
I don't think I have ever seen any other game that has such a ridiculous limitation. it completely defeats the purpose of cheats.
people normally start with cheats disabled and then later on enable them

also the game is not HARD. not by a longshot. I found the guide instructions on early play to be bad and just went with penny instead. penny is super easy start. No difficulty at all, just tedious

Just to let you know: the cheats are a cheatbook MC can get in his house after he pays it back from the Mayor. It let you skip grinding.

And... you know what? you don't need the cheatbook in order to skip "the grinding" when you become strong.

So, most likely you don't even need it that much.

What's the Cheatbook really for, after all? my answer is: you use it when you start a brand new gameplay from scratch.

I did use it when old saves didn't work anymore. I HAD to start a new gameplay, so I used the cheatbook to get cash and some tools to avoid some grinding. That's it.

 

[zARRR]

I checked and there is no option to melt demon keys into anything.
also shadow stones are not bars

the game is unreasonably grindy. You should cheat. I am mostly annoyed that it is impossible to get cheats after the fact. I am not losing days of progress just to enable cheats. this is very annoying
I don't think I have ever seen any other game that has such a ridiculous limitation. it completely defeats the purpose of cheats.
people normally start with cheats disabled and then later on enable them

also the game is not HARD. not by a longshot. I found the guide instructions on early play to be bad and just went with penny instead. penny is super easy start. No difficulty at all, just tedious. That being said it can be less tedious. one second writing my own guide

Saying this game is unreasonable grindy is like saying Zebras are going to fly today, the game’s grinding is reasonable.
It never asked you to click 50 times a button to get an affection point on a determined hour or to kill 20 wolfs to sleep in an house.
The game is not hard of course, and I agree as Ottoeight said with the cheats so I am mot going to repeat.
As for Penny, working in the farm can quickly exhaust stamina, making the rest of the day useless, it’s better knowing the world first.

 

[mrttao]

As for Penny, working in the farm can quickly exhaust stamina, making the rest of the day useless, it’s better knowing the world first.

This is not true.

Stamina is spent on:
1. clearing land = do it once ever. Don't even have to bother with the whole farm. Just clear 6 to 9 spots. (although if you do the whole farm you find a ring... which apparently can be different quality levels and you should save scum. too bad I didn't)
2. harvesting crops = once every ~2 weeks or so
3. planting crops = once every ~2 weeks or so

Watering plants with watering can costs zero stamina and zero time.
Refilling the watering can needs to be done roughly once per 4 days or so and costs zero stamina and ~20 min in game (20 second out of game) to just walk to the water.

If you planted 6 crops you can water all 6 of them every single day for free.
It doesn't even take much time or effort either.
This leaves you with a full day to do anything you want in.

You spend the first 2 days working on the farm to get initial setup. Afterwards you have ~2 weeks of free play time followed by a day of harvesting and planting every 2 weeks.
Maybe spend the first week on the farm if you want to completely clear it.

 

[mrttao]

The only time you should do multiple quests at once (beside to get some abilities required to complete certain parts of the quest) is to kill time while waiting for the quest to progress.

Most girls have a "visit them once per day every to get +1 affection or +1 corruption. do this until affection is at 20 and corruption is at 10". this requires effectively 30 day delay as you farm affection. And due to the once per day visit limit you have lots of time to go do other girls in the meanwhile.

Not all girls though.
Yasmine corruption takes 3 days to get the required corruption and 5 days to max out.
Kate affection can let you get a dozen points a night. (tip well and beat up dudes)
Raaisha corruption has no timeout so you can just order her to blow you 15 times in a row to max her corruption
a few other examples of shortcuts you can take

The downside of the "efficiency" of hitting several girls a day is that you might trigger a timer in their quest which can mess you up if you have multiple timers running at once.