RPGM A Struggle with Sin [v0.6.1.1b] [Chyos]

[mrttao]

that being said, the developer is now having those ideas to make tia go to dasan willingly because the mc "neglects her", ew

dafuk... why though... why dasan of all men. He is the worst.

 

[Spideyknight]

There is basically zero reason to turn the NTR off, you have to try pretty hard, meaning you are purposefully choosing to do so, to lose any of the women. Mira is a perfect example, you can have sex with the demoness and still get Mira, no problem.

 

[Wolf Larsen]

dafuk... why though... why dasan of all men. He is the worst.

"If the MC neglects her in his hut too often she will get more demanding for sex (new scene). If on Dasan's route and the MC still neglects her she will seek pleasure from him. (There will also be an optional path where Dasan charms Tia before the MC claims her)"

urgh i wanna puke...

 

[mrttao]

There is basically zero reason to turn the NTR off, you have to try pretty hard, meaning you are purposefully choosing to do so, to lose any of the women. Mira is a perfect example, you can have sex with the demoness and still get Mira, no problem.

1. not everyone is a cuck. Stop trying to kinkshame people into being cucks
2. if you do not see NTR either way, why would you bother turning NTR on and risking your save being ruined by NTR?
3. Even if you follow a walkthrough it is easy to lose a couple of women. without a walkthrough you are practically guaranteed to lose a couple.
4. Just because the majority of women are easy to avoid NTR does not mean ALL of them are.
5. Mira is not a "perfect example". Mira is one of the harder waifus to lose.

 

[Salbut]

Anyone have full save last version

 

[Wolf Larsen]

3. Even if you follow a walkthrough it is easy to lose a couple of women. without a walkthrough you are practically guaranteed to lose a couple.
4. Just because the majority of women are easy to avoid NTR does not mean ALL of them are.
5. Mira is not a "perfect example". Mira is one of the harder waifus to lose.

sadly I must agree with this. look at lyvia ntr stuff. i can get NTR by losing to the fucking random brigands in the forest?

i know this because i read the walkthrough.

but if i went to this game blindly?

ew

 

[mrttao]

sadly I must agree with this. look at lyvia ntr stuff. i can get NTR by losing to the fucking random brigands in the forest?

i know this because i read the walkthrough.

but if i went to this game blindly?

ew

Speaking of. a quick skim of the walkthrough shows over 10 different NTRs that happen from losing fights. just search the PDF for the word "lose" and you will find many NTR scenes.
There is another where you lose money in blackjack
There are also a couple from losing rescue quests (taking too long)

Better save scum to not ever lose... Or you can just set [NTR == OFF] in the settings.
Especially because if an NTR state is reached it is there forever, you cannot undo it except by reloading an earlier save.
Turning NTR off in the setting will only prevent new NTR flags from being planted. it won't undo existing ones.

 

[NeverWorks]

Speaking of. a quick skim of the walkthrough shows over 10 different NTRs that happen from losing fights. just search the PDF for the word "lose" and you will find many NTR scenes.
There is another where you lose money in blackjack
There are also a couple from losing rescue quests (taking too long)

Better save scum to not ever lose... Or you can just set [NTR == OFF] in the settings.
Especially because if an NTR state is reached it is there forever, you cannot undo it except by reloading an earlier save.
Turning NTR off in the setting will only prevent new NTR flags from being planted. it won't undo existing ones.

You have to lose money in blackjack, and then agree to let Kate go to the merchant's room three separate times before getting an NTR scene.

Similarly, you have a week to rescue Emily from the bandits, or to pay her ransom. And if you talk to Mira every day, she'll literally give you free money to help you pay it. And then, if you don't rescue Emily, and don't pay her ransom... then the bandits will just let her go for free with no NTR. To get NTR you have to fall asleep in the storeroom again, choose not to interrupt the kidnapping again, fail to rescue her or pay her ransom again... three more times.

The only scenes that are easy to accidentally get are the ones that are punishment for losing a fight, such as with Tia/Lyvia after losing to orcs/bandits/goblins/thieves/Dasan, and that's basically the only punishment for losing this game has, since you won't perma-die.

If a single person managed to get Emily's bandit NTR scenes on accident, I'd be impressed more than anything.

 

[Wolf Larsen]

The only scenes that are easy to accidentally get are the ones that are punishment for losing a fight, such as with Tia/Lyvia after losing to orcs/bandits/goblins/thieves/Dasan, and that's basically the only punishment for losing this game has, since you won't perma-die.

not precisely.

there are instances where your character can perma die

and that is exactly what can happen with ntr off more frequently

emily for instance dies if i'm not mistaken and you have to reload

the brigands are a common enemy and every single time there is a chance of ntr

it's extremely easy to stumble upon this ntr scene

and that was the precise point of this conversation, some are easy to trigger, some are not

the choice based ones most of the time are quite obvious, in julia's case, the dev even put (NTR) between parentheses (because the dialogue itself wasn't that obvious: i like your pussy x you should practice more)

 

[mrttao]

You have to lose money in blackjack, and then agree to let Kate go to the merchant's room three separate times before getting an NTR scene.

That is not what the walkthrough says. It says you lose money, then SHE arranges something with him. Then you WATCH 3 times. nothing about you "agreeing"
So according to you, the walkthrough is wrong.

emily for instance dies if i'm not mistaken and you have to reload

AFAIK in latest version instead of perma dying, you get a game over the moment the timer ran out. and are forced to reload an earlier save

 

[Wolf Larsen]

AFAIK in latest version instead of perma dying, you get a game over the moment the timer ran out. and are forced to reload an earlier save

game over is like a perma dead right

if you lose to spiders or roderick in the arianna's quest is the same thing, regardless of ntr on and off

 

[mrttao]

game over is like a perma dead right

if you lose to spiders or roderick in the arianna's quest is the same thing, regardless of ntr on and off

Well. Game over screen at least prevents you from accidentally ruining your save by not noticing a waifu died and then playing a few more hours and overwriting your save with one in which she is perma dead. Forcing you to restart the game from the beginning. So I much prefer the game over screen.

 

[NeverWorks]

That is not what the walkthrough says. It says you lose money, then SHE arranges something with him. Then you WATCH 3 times. nothing about you "agreeing"
So according to you, the walkthrough is wrong.

To copy-paste from the walkthrough:
"If you lose more than 1 gold to Grant during the Blackjack minigame he will
ask you for a private chat with Kate (You must have a relationship with
her). She will then visit him at midnight. Talk to her afterwards in her
room. Do this 3 times and there will be a scene with them. "

He will ask for a private chat with Kate in exchange for not taking the money you lost. You can still choose to pay him the gold, and Kate will never go near him. The walkthrough isn't wrong, you just have bad reading comprehension.

 

[Wolf Larsen]

Well. Game over screen at least prevents you from accidentally ruining your save by not noticing a waifu died and then playing a few more hours and overwriting your save with one in which she is perma dead. Forcing you to restart the game from the beginning. So I much prefer the game over screen.

i agree, but the games give you the choice of what kind of punishment you want to receive

and yes, ntr is meant as a punishment, i'm quoting the developer here

but i can see this has changed a little bit since more ntr people began playing this game and wanting more of this fetish

do you know why tia and kate are the most popular, specially tia

bc they have a shitload of ntr content

the mc can send the women of rumah to be violated just like dasan and complete the quest the same way

he can make kate be a whore

these are not punishments, it's the mc himself wanting to see ntr


edit: i should put a disclaimer that this is not meant to discourage the people that dislike ntr from playing this game, i'm just sayin
play with ntr-off and the content is still plentiful there and shouldn't piss you off
except for that fucking update that turned ophilia into a stripper
but so far the developer has been mostly trying to not ignore the non-ntr audience

 

[Evangelion-01]

2. if you do not see NTR either way, why would you bother turning NTR on and risking your save being ruined by NTR?

Because Chyos himself made the game with this intention... get punished for fucking up and be more concerned about avoiding bad decissions... though ultimately it doesn't matter if you avoid NTR at all costs.
To me it's just paying respect to Chyos by playing the game the intended way.

3. Even if you follow a walkthrough it is easy to lose a couple of women. without a walkthrough you are practically guaranteed to lose a couple.

Given that most of the choices leading here are color coded and obvious this isn't correct.

4. Just because the majority of women are easy to avoid NTR does not mean ALL of them are.

So far they are hard to loose as you either need to purposely loose in combat or make obvious decissions.

the brigands are a common enemy and every single time there is a chance of ntr

They are also rather Easy enemies to defeat unless you are on a much to low Level and alone (though in that case there is no worry for NTR either)

 

[Wolf Larsen]

They are also rather Easy enemies to defeat unless you are on a much to low Level and alone (though in that case there is no worry for NTR either)

you will reach a level where you can kill them instantly, that's true, and that doesn't take long

but right now i have to fight every single orc with a group of three that appears in the forest (level 30ish)

it was like that for the brigands

it's not exactly hard for a player to lose a fight after they keep showing one after the other and you are fucked bc your characters are not in top shape

"If the MC neglects her in his hut too often she will get more demanding for sex (new scene). If on Dasan's route and the MC still neglects her she will seek pleasure from him. (There will also be an optional path where Dasan charms Tia before the MC claims her)"

urgh i wanna puke...

by the way, i must say that i really dislike this tia bonus scene idea, although i will try to judge more only when it's applied and if there would be any effects in my gameplay with ntr off (like seeing ophilia going to see thomas anyway, but you can stop that), but hopefully nothing it will happen

but remember when i was defending the corruption aspect of this game (it doesn't mean ntr, the girls still love you!)

i can't do that anymore, can i

if tia is willing to go with fucking dasan becoming his wanita just because she is horny

mira being hurt and going for aidalin i get it

but tia character is ruined

and you can't tell people to avoid corruption, they are a requirement to unlock scenes

the patrons seem to love it though

edit: although you can argue that she's not in love with the mc yet because they didn't get married... the same mc that went to a tribe because of her
and to avoid that you will probably have to step in while she's giggling to dasan the cunt, awesome
not because she's being blackmailed, because she's hurt, but because she's horny
but again, i'm just conjecturing, it wasn't released

 

[zARRR]

NTR conversations are probably the only universal thing that makes fire up people of both sides in this site, also I can‘t leave 5 minutes to see the thread go wild

 

[zARRR]

you will reach a level where you can kill them instantly, that's true, and that doesn't take long

but right now i have to fight every single orc with a group of three that appears in the forest (level 30ish)

it was like that for the brigands

it's not exactly hard for a player to lose a fight after they keep showing one after the other and you are fucked bc your characters are not in top shape




by the way, i must say that i really dislike this tia bonus scene idea, although i will try to judge more only when it's applied and if there would be any effects in my gameplay with ntr off (like seeing ophilia going to see thomas anyway, but you can stop that), but hopefully nothing it will happen

but remember when i was defending the corruption aspect of this game (it doesn't mean ntr, the girls still love you!)

i can't do that anymore, can i

if tia is willing to go with fucking dasan becoming his wanita just because she is horny

mira being hurt and going for aidalin i get it

but tia character is ruined

and you can't tell people to avoid corruption, they are a requirement to unlock scenes

the patrons seem to love it though

edit: although you can argue that she's not in love with the mc yet because they didn't get married... the same mc that went to a tribe because of her
and to avoid that you will probably have to step in while she's giggling to dasan the cunt, awesome
not because she's being blackmailed, because she's hurt, but because she's horny
but again, i'm just conjecturing, it wasn't released

I kinda agree that Tia’s character could be ruined, since her love confession is so genuine and honest, her betrayal seems too much, it’s fucked up.
But still I have faith in Chyos decisions, he probably will make it work, but that doesn’t mean I am going to let Dasan see her, fuck no!
Dasan for me will be the pile of rotting flesh under the hill in every playthrough

 

[Survivor54]

NTR conversations are probably the only universal thing that makes fire up people of both sides in this site, also I can‘t leave 5 minutes to see the thread go wild

Personally I don't care for the NTR, It's not my thing but if people like it then hey good for them. I'm just annoyed by the fact that every time there is NTR in a game it stirs up arguments. Though I have to say I don't really care for the bonus scene idea mentioned by Wolf Larsen as it seems to go against the idea that the NTR is just punishment for if you do badly, though I guess it depends on how Chyos would have implemented it

 

[zARRR]

1. not everyone is a cuck. Stop trying to kinkshame people into being cucks
2. if you do not see NTR either way, why would you bother turning NTR on and risking your save being ruined by NTR?
3. Even if you follow a walkthrough it is easy to lose a couple of women. without a walkthrough you are practically guaranteed to lose a couple.
4. Just because the majority of women are easy to avoid NTR does not mean ALL of them are.
5. Mira is not a "perfect example". Mira is one of the harder waifus to lose.

About the 3, nah man, I have played NTR on since day one, and even without following the walkthrough I never lost women and when I lost them I was either distracted or too curious to see it (and curiosity killed the cat).
Fastest NTR to get is by losing to enemies with Tia and Lyvia around, all the other story plot NTRs are pretty easy to avoid.
Losing a girl requires actual effort and negligence, and as Eva said, most ntr choices are RED and RED is danger.
And as last thing, most ntr paths take time to happen, they are not immediate, so let’s take for example Kate and Thomas, you can fail the minigame and give her money to prevent it, but if you don’t have nothing he will just make her call “daddy” and doing all other disgusting and toxic stuff slowly, only like at 5th loss they have some kind of sex, and I am sure anyone that hates ntr will never lose it again, after the first one