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Bishop Robert

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fair point but the twist was Dylan just wanted Sophia to wear hotter clothes, Aiden took advantage of that and turned it into much more. The twist could've actually played into what we saw at end of the last update where Dylan is wondering how far Sophia will go. Also, the twist does align itself with part of the game where Dylan is OK with Sophia with others, or not.
Oh thats what it was? I thought it was Dylan was working alongside Aiden for both of their equal benefit of fucking her, not him just wanting her to dress hotter and Aiden taking advantage of it.

Didn’t people say patreons were against the idea of the twist?
 

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Oh thats what it was? I thought it was Dylan was working alongside Aiden for both of their equal benefit of fucking her, not him just wanting her to dress hotter and Aiden taking advantage of it.

Didn’t people say patreons were against the idea of the twist?
The blackmail as Dylan agreed to was apparently only meant to be the first two tasks - it was Aiden that decided 12 would be better. You can see it in how the third task wasn't even at the school, and was more about Aiden being able to trick Sophia. And the fourth task being much more sinister.

There was at least one patron that supported the Twist, but that I think was more about not changing the story to suit fans more than whether or not they liked that particular storyline.
 
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Oh thats what it was? I thought it was Dylan was working alongside Aiden for both of their equal benefit of fucking her, not him just wanting her to dress hotter and Aiden taking advantage of it.

Didn’t people say patreons were against the idea of the twist?
yeah, I believe patrons said it made Dylan look bad and L&P agreed, since Dylan is L&P fave character he didn't want that.
 

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Exactly. He listens to the experts. He doesn't listen to the fans of the team. That would be ridiculous.
The voice that product developers need to hear is the voice of consumers.

A product developer can visit his teacher if he wants to level up his skills, but if he wants to sell more products, he should continue to seek feedback on what consumers are interested in and what consumers want.
 

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yeah, I believe patrons said it made Dylan look bad and L&P agreed, since Dylan is L&P fave character he didn't want that.
I thought he looked bad based on Ellie's interactions with him. Him creeping on her in the car in front of his family also didn't help. Him groping Sophia on the swing was the final straw for me. I really don't see how the twist could possibly make him look worse and it actually fits his established character.
 
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The voice that product developers need to hear is the voice of consumers.

A product developer can visit his teacher if he wants to level up his skills, but if he wants to sell more products, he should continue to seek feedback on what consumers are interested in and what consumers want.
If we're still talking about the Twist, how many patrons do you think L&P really would have lost if he kept the Twist in the game? And even if he lost everyone that voted for Dylan, how many of them would have been top tier?
 
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Just one small complaint, does Sophia have the sun in her closet? L&P and the lighting thing is getting out of hand

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Thanks for sharing.
i Thought the exact same thing, the lighting in the closet its ridicuslosly bright, i dont know why LP loves to overburn his scenes and also the clouths are so ugly sophia would enever wear any of the cloths that we see in her closet, i mean this house its completely awful, if freking gigantic, yet, Sophia doesnt has a Walking closet, Dylan and Ellie have to share bathrooms (i know its for story reasons), and dont have walkin closets either, i mean they have a 3 storie house, and its everything its ridiculosly small what about the rest of the space? and the interiors are also quite plain, it doesnt makes sense with the Parker Family, bc altho they arent as Rich as Patricia and Carl, they are above the middle class, and their house interiors and spaces are middle class

i mean just look at this mounstruosity
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When I was a Patreon and the twist came out, then L&P talked about what to do about it, I offered two thoughts on Patreon:

* Why not keep the twist, but with a different spin. Have Patricia confess that she put Dylan up to it and it was just to help get Sophia out of her shell.

Dylan doesn't admit to this until Sophia and Patricia corner him and he finally admits that this is true. When Sophia asks him why he did not say anything, he can confess that he was trying to protect his aunt and he had no idea that this would get so out of hand.

This would have solved the twist and raised Dylan's status with his aunt (and likely Sophia as well since he was willing to fall on his sword to protect her sister who is the one who she should be blaming).

Of course - L&P ignores so much of what supporters suggest or offer so why would this idea be any different.

* The other point I made to L&P was to identify a small group of supporters who he fully trusted and run major story points by them.

If he had done this ahead of time, there would not have been the need for the twist - L&P's trust group would have been able to stop him from making such an obvious mistake (turning one of the most popular people in the VN into a bad guy and effectively breaking a major part of AWAM).

I recognize that those who dislike Dylan saw this as the perfect opportunity to get rid of him, but L&P was never going to let that happen since Dylan is a major part of the story (think not just the Dylan/Sophia route which I like but the Dylan cuckold route which I don't like).
 

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i Thought the exact same thing, the lighting in the closet its ridicuslosly bright, i dont know why LP loves to overburn his scenes and also the clouths are so ugly sophia would enever wear any of the cloths that we see in her closet, i mean this house its completely awful, if freking gigantic, yet, Sophia doesnt has a Walking closet, Dylan and Ellie have to share bathrooms (i know its for story reasons), and dont have walkin closets either, i mean they have a 3 storie house, and its everything its ridiculosly small what about the rest of the space? and the interiors are also quite plain, it doesnt makes sense with the Parker Family, bc altho they arent as Rich as Patricia and Carl, they are above the middle class, and their house interiors and spaces are middle class

i mean just look at this mounstruosity
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I asked about it before and Alley_Cat confirmed it to me, the front of house is another thing where it looks like it belongs to a small house but then you take in how the house looks in the backyard and its a mansion. All because of two different assets or whatever.

There’s also the kitchen which doesn’t look like something you’d find in this house, unless it was a 2nd kitchen of sorts.
 

GokutheG

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Why not keep the twist, but with a different spin. Have Patricia confess that she put Dylan up to it and it was just to help get Sophia out of her shell.

Dylan doesn't admit to this until Sophia and Patricia corner him and he finally admits that this is true. When Sophia asks him why he did not say anything, he can confess that he was trying to protect his aunt and he had no idea that this would get so out of hand.
I'm sorry but that sounds like a horrible idea. Why would Sophia be happy with any of them after such a betrayal? Patricia has no need to blackmail Sophia to get her out of her shell just look at the previous events she was able to talk her sister into. The twist only works because Dylan is a horn-dog who only thinks with his dick so when he meets someone who can make it so he can gawk at his mom more often of course he'd take such an opportunity without thinking of the consequences.
 
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I recognize that those who dislike Dylan saw this as the perfect opportunity to get rid of him, but L&P was never going to let that happen since Dylan is a major part of the story (think not just the Dylan/Sophia route which I like but the Dylan cuckold route which I don't like).
Isn't her relationship with Liam, Ellie and Patricia also important? You can decide not to pursue any of them so what should make Dylan any different?
 
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