VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [P2 v0.230a + P1 v0.152] [Lust & Passion]

[Notretsam]

How does Patricia fit into your description? While she has the least amount of events of the major characters, she is still important enough to have her own route and relationship points.

As far as I'm concerned, she's an important part of the lesbian route, but she's also just a fun character, so why wouldn't you play her events?

Yeah there is. Sophia gets wet and starts jilling herself watching Nat fantasising about her. Doesn't get off, but that's not the question. Playing the lesbian route, I always assumed she'd be jilling herself off during the Ellie event on PD14. Not too late at all for the Ellie route, since there she hasn't given anyone a handjob yet.

I didn't say I wouldn't play events with Patricia, I just stating that the lesbian route revolves around Ellie and anyone else should be linked to that. It is called A Wife and A Mother and the tagline is How far would you go, I have always felt that the lesbian route is how far you would go with Ellie, and other characters are there to help corrupt Sophia into going further with Ellie.

They are characters besides Dylan, Ellie and Liam that play an important part in how far you go with Sophia, Patricia is one on the lesbian route, Sam is on the filthy route etc etc. I'm just saying it all should lead back to Ellie in the end.

I don't think cutting out stuff is the way to go, even with content I don't care about. Maybe some other people care about it and it seems unfair to them, after all these years to not get anything. I think the only real solution is for L&P to pick up the pace. As he can't do it alone, it's already been shown, the only real hope is hiring a team at some point and then starting to be efficient. At least once every 2 months type of deal.

wasn't me that said to cut it, it was L&P that stated he was considering cutting the side jobs.

nope, the Wife and Mother are very relevant to the story, Sophia is a wife to Liam and a mother to Ellie and Dylan, doesn't mean some of the other characters are not important, they were just pawns on how far Sophia goes with Liam, Ellie and Dylan.

 

[TomUK]

Never saw that scene until now, I think 1st time I saw Sophia’s tits was in the shower with Ellie

Think you have to wait until like day 16 to see her tits and that's only if you go home to spy on the girls instead of staying at the Dylan's soccer game, otherwise you have to wait until day 17 when she shows Dylan her tits (for educational purposes) in the shop changing rooms.

is in the good wife path.i know is more like a secret path

Yeah but the good wife route is sooooooooooooooo booooooooooooring.


I think once the tits are out they are pretty much out all the time.

 

[bygonemyths]

Let Sam fuck already!

 

[Radoslaw Wolf]

Yeah but the good wife route is sooooooooooooooo booooooooooooring.

Ha! He played it! He played it!

 

[TomUK]

Ha! He played it! He played it!
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Had to play it so I could comment on it many moons ago.

 

[angry_demon_boy]

When the shota was removed, I died inside, very very bad, yourselves boys, we've lost the best storyline in the game.

 

[Supernova29]

Ha! He played it! He played it!
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Even I played it just to find out if sophia did sex in any path but unfortunately nope.

 

[Radoslaw Wolf]

Had to play it so I could comment on it many moons ago.

Of course, why else

 

[TomUK]

Of course, why else
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Had to let Liam get some as he isn't getting any on my other runs.

 

[yourmomma]

Sadly, I very much do agree with you. I can't in the past say there is too much going on and L&P needs to cut characters, then not be OK with the side jobs coming to an end.

I've said this before, the filthy route is Sophia with Dylan, and the lesbian route is Sophia with Ellie, and the good wife route is Sophia with Liam (swinging route). Every other character was there to help Sophia to the point she crossed the line with Dylan and Ellie. Sophia did that with Dylan in the last update and can say she already did that with Ellie in the scene with Julia at the pool. Yes, Sophia hasn't gone all the way with them but what she did do was significant.

Other characters can be tied in, like Sam and/or Zach with Dylan, Julia or Patricia with Ellie. They're certainly can be some crossover between routes but updates should always have Sophia with Liam, Ellie or Dylan.

There are some loose ends that need to be tidied up first and things come to a logical end, but the side jobs, Aiden tasks, and any more maid stuff need to all come to an end.

What are you talking about? Aiden's tasks were a key part of Sophia's corruption route. Then L&P decided to throw in, an "out" in several different ways and additional side stories to corrupt her rather than simply following through that arch. Which is a common theme with his story archs. L&P is just a scattered brained writer with no focus and it's obvious has no clue on how to seal the deal and has himself stuck in this constant build up loop. Building up anticipation is great, but eventually everyone needs a release or a conclusion.

 

[karleston]

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[Radoslaw Wolf]

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[kewlbigdan]

It's all how you read the title. If Dylan married Sophie then she would be "A wife and mother".
Given how it is being argued Sophie is "A wife and mother and sister and teacher and ....."
This game could easily been called "The Parker Family" and been more on topic.

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

What are you talking about? Aiden's tasks were a key part of Sophia's corruption route. Then L&P decided to throw in, an "out" in several different ways and additional side stories to corrupt her rather than simply following through that arch. Which is a common theme with his story archs. L&P is just a scattered brained writer with no focus and it's obvious has no clue on how to seal the deal and has himself stuck in this constant build up loop. Building up anticipation is great, but eventually everyone needs a release or a conclusion.

That's not limited to just L&P. It's an epidemic with slow burn games, devs get stuck in a self defeating cycle in which they can't advance the game. The buildup is simultaneously too slow and too sudden. The erotic tension is so rooted in the tease that even well meaning devs can become overwhelmed and never pull the trigger. Instead, we get a nasty cycle in which painfully slow steps are adhered to out of a misplaced sense that corruption is a linear thing that follows a set schedule. But it gets to the point where it's so slow and something has to happen to jolt the story forward. Once a game reaches that point, I find that most begin to circle the drain. It will be one step forward- one step back in an update, then two steps forward- two steps back in the next update; and so on, because advancing the story in a meaningful way it a huge step but at the same time you need new content. The naive FMC will begin to take bigger swings in her corruption, but then will ultimately end the update asking herself "What have I done? Why did I do that? Why did I enjoy it? That's so wrong!" And there will always be some flimsy excuse that mitigates the actions of the updates; she was drunk or she was blackmailed, or the mood was "too" romantic, or it was her boss and she couldn't say no, or she felt guilty, blah blah blah.

At this point slow burn games aren't even worth getting invested in because they all follow the same pattern. Almost none have successfully transitioned from the sexually repressed first act, to the sexually open third act. Somewhere in Act 2 they all get bogged down. Even good devs, who have good intentions and aren't intentionally trying to milk the audience, get stuck. They get to Act 2, they've shown that the FMC wants sex, but she still can't openly give a blowjob...and you have to give a blowjob before you have sex because it's written in the rules! And once she gives a blowjob, she then has to do it one or two more times before she can swallow or deep throat, and you can't have sex until you deepthroat! And then, you can't have sex until you let a cock rub against you...but then you have to find a reason that she's in her underwear in front of the guy that SHE STILL INSISTS SHE CAN'T HAVE SEX with....

BLAH
BLAH
BLAH



At some point devs just need to let their characters have sex. Sometimes I wonder how sexually experienced these devs are because they treat sex like it's really complicated. You can still have a great story about corruption AND let your FMC have sex early in the game. I swear to you that it's possible.

 

[yourmomma]

That's not limited to just L&P. It's an epidemic with slow burn games, devs get stuck in a self defeating cycle in which they can't advance the game. The buildup is simultaneously too slow and too sudden. The erotic tension is so rooted in the tease that even well meaning devs can become overwhelmed and never pull the trigger. Instead, we get a nasty cycle in which painfully slow steps are adhered to out of a misplaced sense that corruption is a linear thing that follows a set schedule. But it gets to the point where it's so slow and something has to happen to jolt the story forward. Once a game reaches that point, I find that most begin to circle the drain. It will be one step forward- one step back in an update, then two steps forward- two steps back in the next update; and so on, because advancing the story in a meaningful way it a huge step but at the same time you need new content. The naive FMC will begin to take bigger swings in her corruption, but then will ultimately end the update asking herself "What have I done? Why did I do that? Why did I enjoy it? That's so wrong!" And there will always be some flimsy excuse that mitigates the actions of the updates; she was drunk or she was blackmailed, or the mood was "too" romantic, or it was her boss and she couldn't say no, or she felt guilty, blah blah blah.

At this point slow burn games aren't even worth getting invested in because they all follow the same pattern. Almost none have successfully transitioned from the sexually repressed first act, to the sexually open third act. Somewhere in Act 2 they all get bogged down. Even good devs, who have good intentions and aren't intentionally trying to milk the audience, get stuck. They get to Act 2, they've shown that the FMC wants sex, but she still can't openly give a blowjob...and you have to give a blowjob before you have sex because it's written in the rules! And once she gives a blowjob, she then has to do it one or two more times before she can swallow or deep throat, and you can't have sex until you deepthroat! And then, you can't have sex until you let a cock rub against you...but then you have to find a reason that she's in her underwear in front of the guy that SHE STILL INSISTS SHE CAN'T HAVE SEX with....

BLAH
BLAH
BLAH



At some point devs just need to let their characters have sex. Sometimes I wonder how sexually experienced these devs are because they treat sex like it's really complicated. You can still have a great story about corruption AND let your FMC have sex early in the game. I swear to you that it's possible.

Not going to disagree with any of this. I was hoping the other side stories were going to aid in her corruption. Which honestly would feel more natural and not strictly a one story linear arch.
That's why I thought Aiden's tasks were crucial. It was a perfect set up and could have anchored the other corruption archs. The motivation was there. Mom agrees to certain tasks to keep her son from getting beat up. The first couple of tasks seem relatively harmless, but begin opening the door for her desires to come out and be expressed. They push more boundaries each task. The side stories would have added to each level of corruption and helped her to feel like being more sexual was okay or comfortable. Then before she realizes it she's surrounded by opportunities and sexual desires and is okay with it. That's the natural progression of corruption. This dev and, like you mentioned, others, struggle with that and bringing it all home to a climax.

I've mentioned before some of these devs are clearly inexperienced with sex. So I'm in agreement there. Rarely have I been in a sexual encounter where both parties got naked and it ended with a hand job or blow job unless I was being lazy or selfish and if you really want to fuck someone at that point there is no " cool down " period. You're fucking and if everything went well you'll do it again on Tuesday.

 

[菊花献给党]

Let Sam fuck already!

Once Sophia stripped herself and stood in front of Sam..........

 

[ancienregimele]

At some point devs just need to let their characters have sex. Sometimes I wonder how sexually experienced these devs are because they treat sex like it's really complicated. You can still have a great story about corruption AND let your FMC have sex early in the game. I swear to you that it's possible.

That's hit the nail on the head. There's such an apparent lack of knowledge & experience of how sexual situations occur & progress that the audience is left with a 'score-card' of how far certain characters have progressed along the linear route to full penetrative sex. AWAM suffers from this to a ludicrous degree. When it comes to virtually impossible scenarios, I'm thinking particularly of the Amber/Dylan encounter, which I know was well received. That doesn't mean it would happen as it did but with porn logic dictating events, there'll probably be other encounters of a similar nature.

Speaking only for myself, I've seen so many HJs & BJs in 3D porn that they're no longer erotic, just annoying, with 'magic' sperm finding a way to land completely on the woman, usually right in her face. Anyone who has actual experience would show a different situation, unless the woman swallows everything, of course. I especially dislike the "take it bitch" variety of BJ. Those scenes speak of someone who's never had a BJ in his life, because by that stage of proceedings, what comes from the man's mouth should be guttural, meaningless, animal sounds, or a low-pitched scream.

What happened to unexpected encounters & spontaneity in 3D porn? Was it ever present? Oh, I was forgetting, Amber/Dylan. If that's the future for Dylan & a cast of teens, realism isn't just gone, it's been put in a tied sack, weighted down with several bricks & thrown in the canal, at an isolated spot.

 

[ancienregimele]

Once Sophia stripped herself and stood in front of Sam..........

Who then proceeded, with the woman of his dreams of many years, naked in front of him, to reach for his art materials & deliver a "know-it-all" lecture, while displaying a previously hidden drawing ability. Another example of a woeful lack of sexual awareness?, or just an excuse to let Dylan win the 'race?', c20 years from now. Whatever it was, from my POV, it destroyed any desire to continue playing the Sam route.

Now that I think about it in the light of AWAM morphing into a 'AWAM teen edition, What Dylan Did Next' & becoming its' own sequel in front of our eyes, perhaps I won't miss it as much as I might have done.

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

That's hit the nail on the head. There's such an apparent lack of knowledge & experience of how sexual situations occur & progress that the audience is left with a 'score-card' of how far certain characters have progressed along the linear route to full penetrative sex. AWAM suffers from this to a ludicrous degree. When it comes to virtually impossible scenarios, I'm thinking particularly of the Amber/Dylan encounter, which I know was well received. That doesn't mean it would happen as it did but with porn logic dictating events, there'll probably be other encounters of a similar nature.

Speaking only for myself, I've seen so many HJs & BJs in 3D porn that they're no longer erotic, just annoying, with 'magic' sperm finding a way to land completely on the woman, usually right in her face. Anyone who has actual experience would show a different situation, unless the woman swallows everything, of course. I especially dislike the "take it bitch" variety of BJ. Those scenes speak of someone who's never had a BJ in his life, because by that stage of proceedings, what comes from the man's mouth should be guttural, meaningless, animal sounds, or a low-pitched scream.

What happened to unexpected encounters & spontaneity in 3D porn? Was it ever present? Oh, I was forgetting, Amber/Dylan. If that's the future for Dylan & a cast of teens, realism isn't just gone, it's been put in a tied sack, weighted down with several bricks & thrown in the canal, at an isolated spot.

Slow burn games are like the worst of both worlds. They embrace porn logic when its convenient but not enough to be fun. I don't need my porn game to be completely realistic, I just don't want it to be stupid. I'm ok with fantasy and with artistic license because otherwise porn can't exist. I thought the Dylan and Amber scene was fine, it was stupid but it was fun. It was sexy, it made no sense, but whatever, I just want to get off too. But the problem is that porn logic does have a logic behind it. So when you allow Dylan and Amber to get one another off under the table, then sex shouldn't be far behind it. But devs of slow burn games are inconsistent, "Oh, I can use porn logic here, but I can't use it over here." It's ok to take one step forward and let a side character get a hand job after years of waiting, but it isn't ok to like the FMC have sex. Nope, we still need painfully slow progress before that can happen.

It's almost as if the Devs don't think they can make an erotic sex scene, so they avoid it at all costs.

Who then proceeded, with the woman of his dreams of many years, naked in front of him, to reach for his art materials & deliver a "know-it-all" lecture, while displaying a previously hidden drawing ability. Another example of a woeful lack of sexual awareness?, or just an excuse to let Dylan win the 'race?', c20 years from now. Whatever it was, from my POV, it destroyed any desire to continue playing the Sam route.

Now that I think about it in the light of AWAM morphing into a 'AWAM teen edition, What Dylan Did Next' & becoming its' own sequel in front of our eyes, perhaps I won't miss it as much as I might have done.

Right. It was anti-erotic when Sam and Sophia didn't have sex. There were so many ways that scene could have gone that would have been sexy AND logical, but because of some half-brained idea of checking off boxes for progress we got something catagorically dumb. Like, that's just simply not how it works. The sexual nature of the moment is undeniable, porn logic was the ONLY LOGIC THAT MADE SENSE at that point. Have sex, have wild passionate sex, it's ok, it makes sense.

And I know that people will tell me, "Ginger, it's all about milking, you know this." And yeah, ok, there's definitely truth to that, but I really do think there's more to the story. I'm warming to the idea that these devs just don't know how to handle sex. A good milker wouldn't have written himself into a corner like that, unless they truly don't realize how sex happens.

 

[CSK92]

Theres more people Fucking with each other on this thread than in the game. LLLLUUUUULLLLZZZ