VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.201] [Lust & Passion]

[Sabertooth__]

Does Sophia look like she's desperately looking for attention? It is the outfit of a rich high-class lady who just knows that she looks good in it. Is she overdressed? Definitely. Whether she is appropriately dressed for a visit to a beach bar in the hot and humid climate of San Alejio. And "yes" again. (That was already her topic Sabertooth__ .). The only thing that bothers me about this picture / outfit is that Sophia looks so sexually exaggerated in it. And that she wears it for Sam .

The fact that she is overdressed is exactly the problem. She is going to a local bar for a concert by some school boys. There isn't a need to dress so excessively sexy.
Sophia has worn more revealing outfits, her sundress with Alyssa was far more revealing but it wasn't inappropriate based on her surroundings in contrast to this dress.

Ofcourse in Sophia's eyes she chooses the outfit because she feels she looks good in it, but the place where she is going people won't think that. That place is a local bar where definitely people of the lower class and middle class would come for drinks, it won't be uncommon to find lechers and pervs over there. Sophia should take that into consideration before dressing.

Also the logic that she feels she is looks good in the dress can apply to the first dress as well. It is the appropriateness that matters. Tomorrow she could walk into a hospital in miniskirt and heels, ofcourse her intention might not be to attract attention and she wore it for herself but is it appropriate.

As for the heat and humidity, take a look at this. This is how she dressed in the morning or afternoon, a high neck, the material kinda looks woollen.
Next the blazer, and lastly how she is dressed just the night before.



Also the fact that she went for a run in 40°C+ in the afternoon. Do you think this woman cares about the heat.

She is heat resistant in my opinion. You never know next day she could be walking outside in the afternoon with two sweaters and a coat on

Jokes aside, the bars will generally have an AC. The temperature inside the bar will be cool, her car also has an AC, her house too. The heat and humidity do not play a role at all.

 

[Alley_Cat]

The fact that she is overdressed is exactly the problem. She is going to a local bar for a concert by some school boys. There isn't a need to dress so excessively sexy.
Sophia has worn more revealing outfits, her sundress with Alyssa was far more revealing but it wasn't inappropriate based on her surroundings in contrast to this dress.

Ofcourse in Sophia's eyes she chooses the outfit because she feels she looks good in it, but the place where she is going people won't think that. That place is a local bar where definitely people of the lower class and middle class would come for drinks, it won't be uncommon to find lechers and pervs over there. Sophia should take that into consideration before dressing.

Also the logic that she feels she is looks good in the dress can apply to the first dress as well. It is the appropriateness that matters. Tomorrow she could walk into a hospital in miniskirt and heels, ofcourse her intention might not be to attract attention and she wore it for herself but is it appropriate.

As for the heat and humidity, take a look at this. This is how she dressed in the morning or afternoon, a high neck, the material kinda looks woollen.
Next the blazer, and lastly how she is dressed just the night before.
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Also the fact that she went for a run in 40°C+ in the afternoon. Do you think this woman cares about the heat. She is heat resistant in my opinion. You never know next day she could be walking outside in the afternoon with two sweaters and a coat on

Jokes aside, the bars will generally have an AC. The temperature inside the bar will be cool, her car also has an AC, her house too. The heat and humidity do not play a role at all.

Unless it's outside, like the location I suspect it might be at. But we wont know for sure until the teaser for the Sam event comes out, at the very earliest, unless a patron has more information

 

[hzjujk]

The fact that she is overdressed is exactly the problem. She is going to a local bar for a concert by some school boys. There isn't a need to dress so excessively sexy.
Sophia has worn more revealing outfits, her sundress with Alyssa was far more revealing but it wasn't inappropriate based on her surroundings in contrast to this dress.

Ofcourse in Sophia's eyes she chooses the outfit because she feels she looks good in it, but the place where she is going people won't think that. That place is a local bar where definitely people of the lower class and middle class would come for drinks, it won't be uncommon to find lechers and pervs over there. Sophia should take that into consideration before dressing.

Also the logic that she feels she is looks good in the dress can apply to the first dress as well. It is the appropriateness that matters. Tomorrow she could walk into a hospital in miniskirt and heels, ofcourse her intention might not be to attract attention and she wore it for herself but is it appropriate.

As for the heat and humidity, take a look at this. This is how she dressed in the morning or afternoon, a high neck, the material kinda looks woollen.
Next the blazer, and lastly how she is dressed just the night before.
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Also the fact that she went for a run in 40°C+ in the afternoon. Do you think this woman cares about the heat.

She is heat resistant in my opinion. You never know next day she could be walking outside in the afternoon with two sweaters and a coat on

Jokes aside, the bars will generally have an AC. The temperature inside the bar will be cool, her car also has an AC, her house too. The heat and humidity do not play a role at all.

Although I can follow your arguments, I think you give this matter far too much importance. The handbag discussion again!

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

Strange that everything you said, I think exactly the opposite about the jugs. At the time I didn't say much but thought along the lines that things were going too far. Subsequently I posted quite a lot on the subject, when the size started to fluctuate. We'll never agree on this. What I would have liked to have seen was Sophia remaining the same size as when she started out. She certainly wasn't small. This proved way too much to ask & she'll never be 'natural' again.

My only remaining hope is that the same audience that opted for concert outfit #2 [venues I knew as a teenager watching other young people on stage.....I hesitate to post what might have happened with such a kit] & see fit to facepalm without posting a single cogent POV, don't start demanding bigger. I wouldn't put it past the Dev to increase them again to DoD size. He's obviously been influenced by such "Mom" fantasies.

I respect your thoughts on the matter, but as you said, we will not agree on this topic. Here's a couple of reasons why I think L&P should have left her Breast Size "Big" in the previous post.

The Narrative. Sophia's Bust Size increased when she was pregnant when she discussed this in the Shower Scene with Ellie and the Yoga Event with Clarie/Marie/Patrica. Which she also said her nipples increase due to Dylan sucking on them as a baby.

Spoiler: Sophia's Bust Size - Narrative

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Now, if you compare Sophia's original size from the start, her bust looks on par with Patricia, Clarie, Alyssa, Amber (which appears to be D-Cup's (36D), and Ellie and Marie are C-Cup's (32C)). This would not fit the narrative that is being told in the novel as everyone she talks to is surprised by her bust size being so big, and If your images show her size to be on par with the other women, well, that would make no sense at all and defeat the purpose of the narrative. In which, IMO, L&P would have to remove or rewrite her story about her bust size.

Spoiler: Sophia's Original Bust

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Sophia's Current Bust Size. In Sophia's current state with her bust size, I don't think it looks right. In some of her scenes, after L&P reduces her size again, her breast seems to be pushed up against an invisible plane, and there are some scenes and the poll for the upcoming concert that her nipples are now pointing to the sky almost.

Spoiler: Sophia's Current Bust Size.

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This is why I think he should have left her size in this state. From an aesthetic point of view, they look much better than what we currently have now.

Spoiler: Sophia's Bust Size - Sun Dress

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But I will say this. If L&P didn't go down this narrative about her bust size and just increased them "out of the blue", then I can definitely see your point on the topic.

 

[t3alqdansam]

Looking at the day so far, the second outfit fits best. But if you consider that it's a rock concert, of course the first outfit fits much better. The problem is that the first outfit looks kind of boring and doesn't fit the rest of the day and the second outfit looks a lot better/hotter although it doesn't fit the occasion. Maybe a third outfit would be the best choice. Overknee boots, leather leggings, acdc shirt....

In the first outfit we have no idea what her shirt,blouse is all about. Should the Jacket come off we may all have momentary heart failure. We just don't know unless someone finds that exact asset. The real drama is now what will L&P pick. Since he has laid this option on his patrons does he stick with it and adjust the scene to better fit the dress (Whichever wins out) OR does he keep the scene he had in mind and go with an opposite of their pick. Since we do not know what he envisioned we will never know. Guess we wait 3-4 more months.

 

[t3alqdansam]

For the prognosticators out there....

	Pct Complete	Factor	Pct of Update
Created Scenes	35%	55%	19.25%
Rendered Scenes	25%	25%	6.25%
Art edited with PS	15%	5%	0.75%
Programming & Translation	0%	15%	0.00%
Total Pct of Update Completed			26.25%
Start Date			7/5/2021
Festival of Bullshit (excuses)			35
Bullshit Days Consumed so far			3
Current # Days of Production (less BS consumed)			29
Days remaining in Festival of Bullshit			32
Estimated Completion Date			11/24/2021

Estimated Completion Date by Progress Update
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oooh a bar graph! You are enjoying this too much!

 

[ancienregimele]

I respect your thoughts on the matter, but as you said, we will not agree on this topic. Here's a couple of reasons why I think L&P should have left her Breast Size "Big" in the previous post.

The Narrative. Sophia's Bust Size increased when she was pregnant when she discussed this in the Shower Scene with Ellie and the Yoga Event with Clarie/Marie/Patrica. Which she also said her nipples increase due to Dylan sucking on them as a baby.

Spoiler: Sophia's Bust Size - Narrative

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Now, if you compare Sophia's original size from the start, her bust looks on par with Patricia, Clarie, Alyssa, Amber (which appears to be D-Cup's (36D), and Ellie and Marie are C-Cup's (32C)). This would not fit the narrative that is being told in the novel as everyone she talks to is surprised by her bust size being so big, and If your images show her size to be on par with the other women, well that would make no sense at all and defeat the purpose of the narrative. In which, IMO, L&P would have to remove or rewrite her story about her bust size.

Spoiler: Sophia's Original Bust

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Sophia's Current Bust Size. In Sophia's current state with her bust size, I don't think it looks right. In some of his scenes, after L&P reduces her size again, her breast seems to be pushed up against an invisible plane, and there are some scenes and the poll for the upcoming concert that her nipples are now pointing to the sky almost.

Spoiler: Sophia's Current Bust Size.

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This is why I think he should have left her size in this state. From an aesthetic point of view, they look much better than what we currently have now.

Spoiler: Sophia's Bust Size - Sun Dress

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But I will say this. If L&P didn't go down this narrative about her bust size and just increased them "out of the blue", then I can definitely see your point on the topic.

Well, we'll have to agree to disagree. She'll always look too top-heavy to me but I admit that because I hadn't played the routes you posted, I didn't realise that L&P had at least included some kind of explanation as to why she was so huge. Up until then it looked to me as though she'd had cosmetic surgery, ie they'd increased "out of the blue". Now I see that her original size could have been something that the Dev became dissatisfied with, given the narrative he wished to include later. This would be much preferable to being influenced by the ridiculous sizes in the gaming world at large, (pun intended). I'm glad to know that she'll never let silicon under her skin. Now I want her to go for a breast reduction! LOL. [I know it won't happen].

 

[t3alqdansam]

The fact that she is overdressed is exactly the problem. She is going to a local bar for a concert by some school boys. There isn't a need to dress so excessively sexy.
Sophia has worn more revealing outfits, her sundress with Alyssa was far more revealing but it wasn't inappropriate based on her surroundings in contrast to this dress.

Ofcourse in Sophia's eyes she chooses the outfit because she feels she looks good in it, but the place where she is going people won't think that. That place is a local bar where definitely people of the lower class and middle class would come for drinks, it won't be uncommon to find lechers and pervs over there. Sophia should take that into consideration before dressing.

Also the logic that she feels she is looks good in the dress can apply to the first dress as well. It is the appropriateness that matters. Tomorrow she could walk into a hospital in miniskirt and heels, ofcourse her intention might not be to attract attention and she wore it for herself but is it appropriate.

As for the heat and humidity, take a look at this. This is how she dressed in the morning or afternoon, a high neck, the material kinda looks woollen.
Next the blazer, and lastly how she is dressed just the night before.
View attachment 1339882
View attachment 1339884 View attachment 1339886

Also the fact that she went for a run in 40°C+ in the afternoon. Do you think this woman cares about the heat.

She is heat resistant in my opinion. You never know next day she could be walking outside in the afternoon with two sweaters and a coat on

Jokes aside, the bars will generally have an AC. The temperature inside the bar will be cool, her car also has an AC, her house too. The heat and humidity do not play a role at all.

Here is a thought. You are in this air conditioned home and quite relaxed and comfortable. Then you exit said home to go to "X". The humidity is below say 70%. You may be momentarily uncomfortable as the heat hits you but, that is it as you settle into your air conditioned Rover. Now change the humidity to the 90% range. Instant sweat, perspiration. You would not wear the Jacket and sure as hell nothing woolen.

If this is SoCal then the humidity is never a factor there. Heat is in the 90s F in the summer. (Unless you are fighting one of their fires). She will wear what L&P wants to showcase. Totally regardless of any weather concepts we may wish to present. And why the hell they have a three story mansion with no Garage. Who the hell designed that?

- Totally off previous topic: Did Liam steal that piece-o-shit jacket from a hobo? I mean he is wearing a t-shirt underneath and it clearly does not fit him? Even with his girly arms, he is one stretch away from ripping it apart in back.

 

[t3alqdansam]

Just so you don't think that no one gives a proper answer on this thread, I'll let you know.

The possible release date at present is the 1st week of November. It could be a week or two earlier or later ( later is more likely ).

Hope this answer is satisfying. The reason why no one answers straight is because this question gets asked every few days and we are tired of answering, please don't mind us.

every few hours

 

[Sabertooth__]

Although I can follow your arguments, I think you give this matter far too much importance. The handbag discussion again!

I am not giving undue importance to it. We are well aware that the scene will play out as he envisioned, doesn't matter the dress. It's only that if I kind of disagree with something or am replied to, I try to put my point more clearly and what are my basis for it.
What I completely don't understand is why are the two dresses so contrasting. If he had to do a poll he could have created two versions of the rock outfit and then let everyone decide. At present the second outfit is a casual one which can be worn at some other event or occasion, and they first one clearly suits this event and won't look good anywhere else. He himself wants the rock outfit, so why is the second dress even on the poll. The reason for this poll is totally unclear.

 

[ancienregimele]

Here is a thought. You are in this air conditioned home and quite relaxed and comfortable. Then you exit said home to go to "X". The humidity is below say 70%. You may be momentarily uncomfortable as the heat hits you but, that is it as you settle into your air conditioned Rover. Now change the humidity to the 90% range. Instant sweat, perspiration. You would not wear the Jacket and sure as hell nothing woolen.

If this is SoCal then the humidity is never a factor there. Heat is in the 90s F in the summer. (Unless you are fighting one of their fires). She will wear what L&P wants to showcase. Totally regardless of any weather concepts we may wish to present. And why the hell they have a three story mansion with no Garage. Who the hell designed that?

- Totally off previous topic: Did Liam steal that piece-o-shit jacket from a hobo? I mean he is wearing a t-shirt underneath and it clearly does not fit him? Even with his girly arms, he is one stretch away from ripping it apart in back.

Liam is wearing what used to be known in the UK of the 1962-66 period, as an "Italian bum freezer." They were preferred summer wear for Mods & based on sharp Italian styles of the time. I had one in '66, passed down from my friend's older brother. (I was like a little 'apprentice Mod'). Liam's jacket is dishevelled enough to look like he bought it at a retro second-hand clothes shop. That's my explanation but is it appropriate for a casino?!?

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

Well, we'll have to agree to disagree. She'll always look too top-heavy to me but I admit that because I hadn't played the routes you posted, I didn't realise that L&P had at least included some kind of explanation as to why she was so huge. Up until then it looked to me as though she'd had cosmetic surgery, ie they'd increased "out of the blue". Now I see that her original size could have been something that the Dev became dissatisfied with, given the narrative he wished to include later. This would be much preferable to being influenced by the ridiculous sizes in the gaming world at large, (pun intended). I'm glad to know that she'll never let silicon under her skin. Now I want her to go for a breast reduction! LOL. [I know it won't happen].

I guess so... I don't understand how you think she always looked too top-heavy after the Airport screenshot I posted. If you consider that top-heavy, the only other thing I could picture is her being "Flat-chested" after a breast reduction surgery.

Also, that's why I encourage readers to play more than one path. I know people only play one path they are interested in playing, but L&P put hints and explanations in other paths that let you know why certain things are happening that you may not see on the path you choose.

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

Here is a thought. You are in this air conditioned home and quite relaxed and comfortable. Then you exit said home to go to "X". The humidity is below say 70%. You may be momentarily uncomfortable as the heat hits you but, that is it as you settle into your air conditioned Rover. Now change the humidity to the 90% range. Instant sweat, perspiration. You would not wear the Jacket and sure as hell nothing woolen.

If this is SoCal then the humidity is never a factor there. Heat is in the 90s F in the summer. (Unless you are fighting one of their fires). She will wear what L&P wants to showcase. Totally regardless of any weather concepts we may wish to present. And why the hell they have a three story mansion with no Garage. Who the hell designed that?

- Totally off previous topic: Did Liam steal that piece-o-shit jacket from a hobo? I mean he is wearing a t-shirt underneath and it clearly does not fit him? Even with his girly arms, he is one stretch away from ripping it apart in back.

So not only is Weather and Climate a topic of conversation but now Air Conditioning is a topic too??? Someone may need to send Sophia a list of Heating and Air shops so she can stay on top of A/C maintenance and repair now.

 

[hzjujk]

I am not giving undue importance to it. We are well aware that the scene will play out as he envisioned, doesn't matter the dress. It's only that if I kind of disagree with something or am replied to, I try to put my point more clearly and what are my basis for it.
What I completely don't understand is why are the two dresses so contrasting. If he had to do a poll he could have created two versions of the rock outfit and then let everyone decide. At present the second outfit is a casual one which can be worn at some other event or occasion, and they first one clearly one suits this event and won't look good anywhere else. He himself wants the rock outfit, so why is the second dress even on the poll. The reason for this poll is totally unclear.

If I were the developer, I would do the same. Gives people something to decide without meaning. Something that gives you the feeling that you have an influence and that does little work for me. I do some advertising, give the impatient something to jerk off and give myself some time to work (or chill) before the screaming for MORE starts again. That's cynical, but what L&P has had to read here lately, that would be my reaction to it.

 

[ancienregimele]

I guess so... I don't understand how you think she always looked too top-heavy after the Airport screenshot I posted. If you consider that top-heavy, the only other thing I could picture is her being "Flat-chested" after a breast reduction surgery.

No, you misunderstand, I think that in the early days she looked totally in proportion, with a gorgeous natural figure. It was only when she started to increase, apparently by several sizes, culminating in the dressing room reveal for Dylan, that I became concerned.

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

No, you misunderstand, I think that in the early days she looked totally in proportion, with a gorgeous natural figure. It was only when she started to increase, apparently by several sizes, culminating in the dressing room reveal for Dylan, that I became concerned.

I see, but I do have a question. You say a natural figure, but a woman's breast could grow in size after multiple pregnancies. Isn't that natural as well?

 

[ancienregimele]

I see, but I do have a question. You say a natural figure, but a woman's breast could grow in size after multiple pregnancies. Isn't that natural as well?

It absolutely is but most women who exercise a lot then see their bust go back down, especially if they jog regularly. These days there are many who undertake specific exercise regimes to get their figure back, including bust, backside etc. My POV all along has been that Sophia started out at a given size but then simply increased. She was a 36B or D, after having her kids, (& as shown at the airport) but then became a 44DD, because Dylan was keen to see them?

I posted elsewhere that there were two games teachers at my school who had big busts. Neither AFAIK had even had children at that time, so I accept the RL possibilities, as the evidence was right before me back then. Sophia on the other hand has changed her size considerably & even fluctuated. My guess is that the Dev thought no-one who noticed would comment & Sophia would sneak "the twins" into the tale. Something that big was never going to be 'smuggled' in!

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

It absolutely is but most women who exercise a lot then see their bust go back down, especially if they jog regularly. These days there are many who undertake specific exercise regimes to get their figure back, including bust, backside etc. My POV all along has been that Sophia started out at a given size but then simply increased. She was a 36B or D, after having her kids, (& as shown at the airport) but then became a 44DD, because Dylan was keen to see them?

I posted elsewhere that there were two games teachers at my school who had big busts. Neither AFAIK had even had children at that time, so I accept the RL possibilities, as the evidence was right before me back then. Sophia on the other hand has changed her size considerably & even fluctuated. My guess is that the Dev thought no-one who noticed would comment & Sophia would sneak "the twins" into the tale. Something that big was never going to be 'smuggled' in!

I doubt that L&P thought no one would notice. I mean, anyone who pays attention to the novel should know that Sophia's overall looks have changed quite a bit. As you can see for yourself, there were significant changes, and this is because as he plays with Daz more and more, L&P learns new features, which he applies to his latest updates. So Sophia's looks will constantly be evolving. That will not change. So everyone should see it.

Spoiler: Sophia's Changes.

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Now for the exercise part about her breast. Yes, some women will see a reduction if they excise after pregnancy, but that's not entirely the case. Hormones play a role in that as well. Some women's busts may expand after pregnancies but may never reduce after exercising regularly either. Plus, other women's bust sizes may grow because of hormones or other conditions like Gigantomastia. But in Sophia's case, I guess it's all about the Ice Packs. Maybe t3alqdansam might be on to something with the A/C????

 

[Dan5k74]

It's the humidity!

You're right, it happens just like with hair...

 

[ancienregimele]

Dr.Fapalot is mentioning the correct point here I feel. There is no in game explanation that can define Sophia's breast size changes. The explanation is clearly from outside game perspective.

By your logic ancienregimele we can also start questioning how did Dylan, Ellie Sam and others start looking a lot bigger all of a sudden. How did some characters suddenly start looking much more beautiful. Did they undergo some surgery as well, ofcourse not. This is clearly a change made to satisfy patreon rules and also because L&P got better as an artist and wanted to rework the models of his game.

In the game world all the people are the same size and look just like they used to, for them nothing has changed. Similarly Sophia's bust size is the same according to the game world.
L&P works on Sophia's model constantly. Every playable day she looks somewhat different. You can literally tell which game day an image is from merely by looking at how Sophia looks that day. So it is understandable that things about her constantly change. Everything he does on his characters is basically experimenting.

Dylan, Ellie et al were subjected to 'mature beam treatment.' Happened off-camera & apparently was totally painless. We don't know about side-effects yet!