Bill_Buttlicker

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You mean the Dev who has his VN, the one Patreons are actually paying to support, out here getting criticized by many who complain about what they are taking for free while complaining when it is not developed fast enough, lacks features they want or is not up to their graphic standards for VN's they want to play for free.
Really??
That was spot fucking on, but we all are used to some people constantly whining about L&P and his VN apparently because they think they know it all :cool:
 

Alley_Cat

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Maybe it isn't the partner revving Sophia's engine, but the coffee?
Unless it's spiked with something like MDMA, I doubt it. I've had some of the most expensive coffee in the world, like Kopi Luwak and Jamaica Blue, which is nice, but it's not that good.
 

ashitanojoe

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Dude, are you serious? I mean... really serious?

First of all Vicky's face looks much more vivid than on the earlier renders! On the first one she doesn't even have skin reflections! So what the hell are you talking about? Plus it's an upscaled render and not real 1080p!


Secondly there are orange color bulbs near the wall:

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This is what gives the wall a little more orange touch! Plus a white wall has a great albedo which makes light reflection glow more on it then it would on a dark surface!


Thirdly this coffee shop has a glass roof! So sunlight comes in also from above!

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Is it comprehensible now? Is there more? Maybe the dispersion of the window of the car outside is physically wrong or maybe the density of air relative to the sunny time zone has to cause other light arrays in the room?

Do you guys really have nothing better to do then trying forcefully to find any bullshit to bitch about and put my work down? Since it's not the first time! But yeah, you're actually a "big fan" and you actually don't wanna criticize anything, right?
I'm not bitching about anything, I think that my criticism was respectful and constructive. I don't know if you are in an stressful moment or what, but I never tried to put your work down, actually I praised some virtues of it. The fact that I consider myself a fan and I like your work it doesn't mean that I have to love all your renders. Why I express myself about this render? Because it seems to me too artificial (plastic) and I explained my reasons.

The matter with Vicky's face isn't about the lighting, it's about that her face looks with lack of volume and relief. Look this examples:

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In both cases I prefer the first photos, because the more photoshopped ones lose three-dimensionality, you can see it in the contourns of the nose, lips and eyes, therefore, they look unnatural. That's why I used the term plastic.

Today we see a lot of highly photoshopped images in magazines and internet, many people prefer those, that's why there are too many, it's a matter of taste. I like the more realistic ones, that's all.

Respecting to the orange light, it also looks artificial to me.
Thirdly this coffee shop has a glass roof! So sunlight comes in also from above!
Actually, this statement gives me the reason. Why? Because the sunlight is more powerful than the bulb light, so the atmospher and colour of the light reflecting in the wall should be given by the sunlight (a cold or white one) and not by the bulb light (a warm or orange one). There's a technical term known as colour temperature: "The colour or warmth of light is ranked on a scale, The Kelvin scale, the warmer the colour the lower the colour temperature. Candles being around 2000 degrees Kelvin (k) while daylight typically 5500 – 6500k. The majority of LEDs are produced to be either 2700k, 2800k, 3000k, 4000k or 5000k." That means that the daylight has more colour temperature than the bulb lights, so that's what decide mostly what will be the colour in the wall.

I will give you some real examples:

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In other words, the higher amount of sunlight, the lesser amount of orange in the walls.

Could we get a place with the light divided as you have it? With orange and white light? Yes, but the sunlight should be very low, it should iluminate vaguely the walls and there should be a great amount of bulb light, not like you did it:

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You have said yourself that you pay many attention to the details, so I think that discussing this things isn't something bad or a way to attack you or your work. These topics can be interesting. I value your work and your effort, what I'm saying is that maybe sometimes you exceed the elements implemented, to my taste. Can you prefer a more artificial look to your game? Absolutely, it's your taste. That's all. When someone expresses that he has another aesthetic taste it doesn't mean that you are wrong or you need to change.
 

L&P's Father-in-Law

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Dude, are you serious? I mean... really serious?

Do you guys really have nothing better to do then trying forcefully to find any bullshit to bitch about and put my work down? Since it's not the first time! But yeah, you're actually a "big fan" and you actually don't wanna criticize anything, right?
Jesus dude, you sound like a 12 year old. Stop being so insecure about your work, he gave his opinion, that was it.

It's not the first time you come here with those phony ass justifications for mishaps like that Man Face you gave Sophia in those renders outside the mansion with Sam. It's fine, everyone makes mistakes.

Being a fan doesn't mean praising everything you do.
 
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so where we at on L&P hiring a writer? anything new on that?

are updates going be faster and smaller? or updates going to be faster and same size?

I assume the first one.
 

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so where we at on L&P hiring a writer? anything new on that?

are updates going be faster and smaller? or updates going to be faster and same size?

I assume the first one.
Update are smaller with just the morning events in the next updates.
He is talking to some people and using video call to discuss things and talking to the creator of Ren'Py and a programmer
 
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L&P's Father-in-Law

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You have said yourself that you pay many attention to the details, so I think that discussing this things isn't something bad or a way to attack you or your work. These topics can be interesting. I value your work and your effort, what I'm saying is that maybe sometimes you exceed the elements implemented, to my taste. Can you prefer a more artificial look to your game? Absolutely, it's your taste. That's all. When someone expresses that he has another aesthetic taste it doesn't mean that you are wrong or you need to change.
But did you think if the dispersion of the window of the car outside is physically wrong or maybe the density of air relative to the sunny time zone has to cause other light arrays in the room?

Actually, this statement gives me the reason. Why? Because the sunlight is more powerful than the bulb light, so the atmospher and colour of the light reflecting in the wall should be given by the sunlight (a cold or white one) and not by the bulb light (a warm or orange one). There's a technical term known as colour temperature: "The colour or warmth of light is ranked on a scale, The Kelvin scale, the warmer the colour the lower the colour temperature. Candles being around 2000 degrees Kelvin (k) while daylight typically 5500 – 6500k. The majority of LEDs are produced to be either 2700k, 2800k, 3000k, 4000k or 5000k." That means that the daylight has more colour temperature than the bulb lights, so that's what decide mostly what will be the colour in the wall.
:ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
 

Notretsam

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Update are smaller with just the morning events in the next updates.
He is talking to some people and using video call to discuss things,other than that we don't know
thanks, cool, glad things are processing on hiring a writer, prob will be ages before any real benefit from this.

Not sure how I feel about smaller updates, I prefer to see the same size of updates faster. smaller updates most likely lead to people complaining about lack of content, so does smaller updates really resolve anything? Not convinced it does.
 

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thanks, cool, glad things are processing on hiring a writer, prob will be ages before any real benefit from this.

Not sure how I feel about smaller updates, I prefer to see the same size of updates faster. smaller updates most likely lead to people complaining about lack of content, so does smaller updates really resolve anything? Not convinced it does.
I feel the same way concerning the smaller up dates but I guess time will tell on that one.
I forgot that he is also contacting professional storywriters and looking for help with the Programming & Translation part.
 
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Alley_Cat

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Well we're always going to get people complaining about the content, especially since straight sex on the Filthy route is most likely still years away, and it's what a lot of people are looking forward to. Even now we're still getting people complaining about how last update was just a lesbian update, even though most of it was setting Dylan up with Marie, or Sophia feeling a dick that wasn't Liam's, even if it was just a fake one.
 
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