VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.215] [Lust & Passion]

[Angmir]

Easy. Some of us that have strong feelings about the ages of Dylan and Ellie weren't around back then.

Will all due respect - if you have those strong feelings, you should not come here at all then.

Not trying to be mean - just stating how it is. When I walk to a bar that is clearly tailored to the clientelle I hate - I leave the bar, not try to make the clientelle leave.

PS. Unless your feelings aren't as strong as you claim. Then it is just virtue signalling.
And you have "Team Ellie" in your signature ... Next to another clearly young girl focused game ...
I am confused ...

Regardless, sorry for making it personal. I have nothign towards one's personal opinions, just that those kind of opinions dont belong here.

 

[Alley_Cat]

Will all due respect - if you have those strong feelings, you should not come here at all then.

Not trying to be mean - just stating how it is. When I walk to a bar that is clearly tailored to the clientelle I hate - I leave the bar, not try to make the clientelle leave.

PS. Unless your feelings aren't as strong as you claim. Then it is just virtue signalling.

PS2. And you have "Team Ellie" in your signature ...
I am confused ...

That's just throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Any issues I might personally have with characters being 17 just means that I don't play their route(s).

And since I believe Ellie to be 18 (and have argued for numerous reasons why this has to be the case), I have no issues whatsoever playing her route.

And I also haven't discouraged people from playing the Dylan or Sam routes because of their ages, like you are saying with your bar reference, only that it's one of the reasons I personally don't play their routes.

 

[Angmir]

That's just throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Any issues I might personally have with characters being 17 just means that I don't play their route(s).

And since I believe Ellie to be 18 (and have argued for numerous reasons why this has to be the case), I have no issues whatsoever playing her route.

And I also haven't discouraged people from playing the Dylan or Sam routes because of their ages, like you are saying with your bar reference, only that it's one of the reasons I personally don't play their routes.

Sure fair enough.
I find it sad that people have to convince themselves of fictional characters birth dates in order to apreciate fictional storylines. Ellie could very well be one side or the other by a day, and that affecting once enjoyment from the game is bizzare for me.
I like your contribution in this thread, and believe you to be a nice person, thats why I feel bad for it.
Sorry for ranting. Let's just enjoy the game for what we like

 

[Alley_Cat]

Sure fair enough.
I find it sad that people have to convince themselves of fictional characters birth dates in order to apreciate fictional storylines. Ellie could very well be one side or the other by a day, and that affecting once enjoyment from the game is bizzare for me.
I like your contribution in this thread, and believe you to be a nice person, thats why I feel bad for it.
Sorry for ranting. Let's just enjoy the game for what we like

And some people don't care. Last time the discussion about ages came up, a few members admitted they hadn't even considered that characters might not be adults, they just assume, since ages aren't often mentioned in game. Which is fine.

When I say "Some of us that have strong feelings about the ages of Dylan and Ellie", I am also including those members that vehemently argue with me that Dylan is 18. I can't argue why they feel it's important, and wont speak for them, but that the argument continues to come up shows that they exist.

 

[ancienregimele]

Just to dispel some stupid rumors which are circulating here:

"1) I only edited Cathy's texture and face a little bit. Her body proportions are 100% the same like on day 2! You should know that the breasts of a woman can look different depending on the dress she's wearing! This is a loose fitting shirt which hangs down a little bit. This gives the illusion as if her breasts are a little bit bigger. Plus, this dress doesn't hide and squeeze her breasts in the front like the first one did."

1) So, these posts are checked sometimes, are not completely pointless & we are not just a curious (& potentially sad) debating society. That's good to know. Now, me, start "stupid rumours"....as if I would.

I'm very glad to hear that Cathy has not suffered from the beachball breast syndrome that so noticeably afflicted Sophia. It must have something to do with the breast obsession which has taken hold of me since playing AWAM! I mean, after numerous girlfriends, plus blind dates, one night stands etc., over several decades, (not forgetting 2 wives), how could I not know that a woman's breasts can look different according to what she's wearing!? As an excuse I can only say that I must have been looking into their eyes, probably saying, "Let's talk about you." (In fact, I was comparing Cathy in the boutique to the popular G3 Cathy model basis, who is fairly small breasted).

"2) Olivia is not the introduction of a new character or a new storyline!!!"

2) I did say that Olivia & Liam would probably be mutually attracted to each other, which sounds plausible & that this had the potential for more speculation. It's true, it would have, until you nipped it in the bud. I wish you would do that more often but thanks, anyway, for the info.

 

[Jude6]

I wonder if the Wedding Dress scene is serving to setup for just a bachelorette party event or if we'll actually get the Wedding as a backdrop/setting for future events as well?

I kind of hope we do.
I have no idea what kind of timing is normal/traditional between Dress purchase -> Bachelorette party -> Wedding - but safe to assume if there is a wedding it will happen towards the end of the 30 days.

Could be fun - the young couple are out in front of friends and family making their vows while Sophia sneaks away from the ceremony to break hers.

 

[dian091]

If push came to shove, they are all at least 18. Are they drawn that way? Look at mainstream porn. All actresses and actors are at least 18. Is their a genre in both groups that have job openings for those who look younger? (all shaved, slight build and almost pixie like, male and female) We know there is whether it's MILF porn or Daddy's little girl scenes. They are 18 but if you don't look it, certain roles are available. In mainstream, it's interesting how some of the female performers can play college co-eds one day and then the next you are supposed to believe they are married or MILFs. Granted, some of the oldest stars still in the business could have offspring near age 30 and we have GILF films now. In most cases, I'm not thinking we want to see that either.

 

[Turret]

I agree but still. It shows how addicted people are to this game.
Just chill out guys.
Honestly seeing how people love his game L&P should logicaly exploit that by draging it out indefinetly, hopefully he doesn't.
In few exchanges I had with him privately, and from reading his posts I do believe he is a honest and dedicated dude, that is simply comitted to make the game how he originaly envisioned it those years ago, and he just sticks to his original pre-planned storyline (including things like Cathy and her marriage).
It might seem wastefull, it is a time he could have been spending developing core relationship of the game, but it was apparently in plans from the begining. Those little storylines are what makes the game so special, making the Life of Sophia so believable, not just an excuse to have more sex scenes.
Sure poeple who only want to fap, will be dissapointed, but the game from the very start was not only about porn.
Call it an erotic Drama Series VN or whatever, but it is what it is.

I am a hobby writer myself and find L&P´s dedication to his original story very good and I am not one of those who want to cut it down. That would be bad. BUT on the other hand, he simply takes far too long for the updates. 1-2 updates a year for such a project is unsustainable in the long run.
I already estimated before L&P went to piecemeal updates that it would not advance the update frequency, because different size goals do not make a proven snail faster. And it is not that L&P is alone! "Deliverance" is made by a one-man-team as well. Quality renders, a couple animations, a mystery/occult thriller story and well-sized updates come in 2-3 months intervalls. And the Dev does this with fewer patrons/ressources and a worse rig than L&P has.

If L&P looses so much time rendering, he should consider making fewer, but counting/impacting renders. To put it bluntly, AWAM currently has several hundred pics you could cut out with no loss of quality and enjoyment of the visuals. Some renders in the game which will have taken quite a time to make, are not needed to tell the story and supply top renders to see. They simply would not be missed. Look into the pic folder and see for yourself.

 

[ancienregimele]

Aiden's tasks as a pure blackmail story are dead and boring for me. I know that see this here in this forum completely different.
That's why I gave up games like "Fashion Buisiness". No erotic for me. Constantly bare facts and humiliation, yawn.
Only if Sophia fulfills the tasks and can let Aiden starve to death on her long arm at the same time, only if enjoying the task is
revenge on Aiden at the same time, only if she manages to break the allegiances of his gang about the tasks, the blackmail would not be rape but maybe erotic Story. And it wouldn't necessarily end badly.
Again just a "stupid" wish, but you will still be able to dream. Goodnight.

You see, that's where we'll have to agree to disagree, because initially, I was glad that blackmail had been introduced. It seemed that the game was going to receive an acceptable amount of edginess & it wasn't just another wife going astray because she'd been captivated by the size of her own son's big cock. This is such a tired formula that it needs no further comment.

Many good stories have their villains & in Bennett & Aiden, it seemed as though AWAM had two truly nasty, slimy, detestable creeps. They were of the type that you can love to hate. Sadly, for me, this assumption didn't last long. My take on the Aiden story has been & still is, that your wish, as outlined above, is not "stupid" or a dream but the highly probable outcome of the sequence. This story is about Sophia's corruption & the blackmail is there to increase that. It's not there to please those like me, who enjoy the extra spice that proper blackmail storylines could & perhaps should have provided.

On the other hand, there are some ramifications when Sophia begins to look forward to & enjoy the tasks. If there is an element of revenge for Sophia in this, as you suggest, what's to stop Aiden ending the tasks early? That is something he could do if he dislikes the fact that Sophia enjoys his scheme. If, however, Aiden is happy that Sophia is happy, in what is simply now a sex game, what's to stop them just carrying on, beyond the last task? Why would they stop? Many are those who've voiced their revulsion at the blackmail but I am equally revolted at the thought of Sophia descending to a level where she relies on a scumbag to provide her with excitement & indulges in a consensual arrangement with one to fulfil her needs.

[I havn't played "Fashion Business" for a year or more because I couldn't stand the grindfest].

 

[Bane71]

Regarding Aiden: Please also note that L&P said that he is a also a "normal" person and that he is in a relationship. That not all future tasks might be related to Sophia doing something lewd. He could just as easily need help or guidance with his girlfriend or that they both together might need tips on how to improve their love life. So it could be that Aiden actually might need Sophias help at some point.

A very interesting and correct remark, probably it can happen a little later, but not at this stage.

 

[Bane71]

It does seem so far that Aiden likes an audience when the tasks are performed so is he into voyeurism?

No, I guess it's not about voyeurism. With Aiden, everything is much more complicated, and L&P's latest post in this thread once again confirms that L&P is creating a more serious work, which many do not understand. Therefore, they often express some nonsense.(That doesn't apply to you, my friend )
Aiden is more experienced than his peers, so his actions can be more thoughtful.
Aiden tells Sofia that he doesn't know what the tasks will be and we don't know his ultimate goal, but I think he knows, I just assume that 10 tasks are necessary for Sofia to be fully prepared for what Aiden wants from her.

 

[Sabertooth__]

And some people don't care. Last time the discussion about ages came up, a few members admitted they hadn't even considered that characters might not be adults, they just assume, since ages aren't often mentioned in game. Which is fine.

When I say "Some of us that have strong feelings about the ages of Dylan and Ellie", I am also including those members that vehemently argue with me that Dylan is 18. I can't argue why they feel it's important, and wont speak for them, but that the argument continues to come up shows that they exist.

Honestly the age debate is stupid. Even if he is 17 ( which he is I guess ) he is almost still about to be 18 and in today's world their are a lot of minors engaging in sexual acts before the age of 18 and and at times are open about it. Plus the biggest point is that they are all just art not real people, one should take it like a game.

 

[Bane71]

Maybe he could ask Sophia to leave the door of the Changing room open and let someone see her partially undressed and ask her to record the guy's reaction. He does like humiliating her and letting others see her. That could be one way the task goes

These events cannot be related to Aiden, he is completely unaware of Sofia's plans, the wedding, the choice of dress, etc.

 

[Alley_Cat]

Honestly the age debate is stupid. Even if he is 17 ( which he is I guess ) he is almost still about to be 18 and in today's world their are a lot of minors engaging in sexual acts before the age of 18 and and at times are open about it. Plus the biggest point is that they are all just art not real people, one should take it like a game.

No idea where you get the idea he's about to be 18, that's not mentioned anywhere. Especially since L&P himself mentions Dylan's age as 16-17. Since Ellie only just got her tats, I always assumed she turned 18 recently, so Dylan 17 similarly recently. But since to my knowledge, the age of consent in America is 16, I have no problems at all with him having sex, especially with someone his own age like say Emma. Marie, who is the only one I'm aware of actively attracted to Dylan is a little past what I'm comfortable with, but I can deal.

I just have no interest in seeing it. In media I've seen, if a minor (but above the age of consent) has sex it's always off-screen.

 

[Sabertooth__]

No idea where you get the idea he's about to be 18, that's not mentioned anywhere. Especially since L&P himself mentions Dylan's age as 16-17. Since Ellie only just got her tats, I always assumed she turned 18 recently, so Dylan 17 similarly recently. But since to my knowledge, the age of consent in America is 16, I have no problems at all with him having sex, especially with someone his own age like say Emma. Marie, who is the only one I'm aware of actively attracted to Dylan is a little past what I'm comfortable with, but I can deal.

I just have no interest in seeing it. In media I've seen, if a minor (but above the age of consent) has sex it's always off-screen.

I don't mean it that way, that he will be 18 in a few days but what I meant was if he is around 17 then 18 isn't far away. There's not much of a difference between people who are 17 and 18 , just that law applies to those above 18. In the way of thinking and actions they are still the same

 

[trupervent10001]

I wonder if Aidan's friend is interested in rap, will we see Sofia in a rap video in the future ?

 

[Bane71]

He will be giving her a call and will definitely like to know where Sophia is before handing her the task.

You and I have different views on this topic. I guess it won't matter to Aiden where Sophia is at the time of his call. An important element is where he will poison Sophia for the third task. Even more important is what Sophia has to accomplish.

 

[Catherine1972]

No, I guess it's not about voyeurism. With Aiden, everything is much more complicated, and L&P's latest post in this thread once again confirms that L&P is creating a more serious work, which many do not understand. Therefore, they often express some nonsense.(That doesn't apply to you, my friend )
Aiden is more experienced than his peers, so his actions can be more thoughtful.
Aiden tells Sofia that he doesn't know what the tasks will be and we don't know his ultimate goal, but I think he knows, I just assume that 10 tasks are necessary for Sofia to be fully prepared for what Aiden wants from her.

Aiden more experienced? Certainly
But also more Machiavellian. I agree with you, he calculates his actions, he will progress in order to make Sophia reach the ultimate task, the one which will perhaps make her break.
I have no doubts about how L&P has already drawn the common thread on this subject.

Yes I know, that last part about Sophia is speculation ... not a wish or a statement.

 

[Bane71]

Yup, we do have different views. I just don't think Sophia would be asked to do a lot in this task since she is in public, the task might even be related to the next task in someway. Like setting the stage for task 4 and task 3 may be more towards preparing Sophia for task 4

If not for the information that Aiden's third task in this update accounts for 20%, I would agree with you. But for 20%, this is too little, something more awaits us, it seems to me. We'll see soon.

 

[Bane71]

Aiden more experienced? Certainly
But also more Machiavellian. I agree with you, he calculates his actions, he will progress in order to make Sophia reach the ultimate task, the one which will perhaps make her break.
I have no doubts about how L&P has already drawn the common thread on this subject.

Yes I know, that last part about Sophia is speculation ... not a wish or a statement.

It seems to me not to break! She will become an ally and gladly fulfill what is expected of her.