VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [P1 v0.152] [Lust & Passion]

[ancienregimele]

So back to Sam's event...

What do you guys think that will likely happen?
I'm not talking about the logistics, whether he gives Sophia a drive home, a detour to a special spot, a walk on the beach etc etc. This are details that help to set the mood but let's forget that for a minute.

I think the general consensus is that they will have an alone moment, in any of the above or other settings.
What do you think will happen then?

Given the progression of Sam's story it's almost trivial to suggest a kiss. He had a lot of touching (the guitar lesson, the pool, the fashion show), a kiss on the cheek (pool) and a bit a "visual stimuli" (the balcony, the areola and the fashion show). It seems natural that the next step is a kiss, given that this is the "romantic" path (even if we know he is not that innocent) and of course sex is not happening.

Now, I see two main ways it can happen (we know that alcohol might be involved but it won't be play a role like in past event KillJoys ):

1. the "usual" way: if we look at the patterns throughout the game, most of Sophia's interactions with... let's call them the youngsters always happen as a sort of request: Can we kiss (Ellie, Julie), Can you show this and that (Dylan, Sam, Mayer's boys). Only Dylan and Emma stole a kiss, even if in different context and circumstances.
   So following that pattern I can imagine Sam being romantic and all, talking about the concert, the song he might have dedicated to her and getting back to the "impossible" relationship talk of the pool, the longing for her etc and finally asking with puppy eyes for "just a kiss". That will start the usual Sophia internal dilemma and the choice is offered to give in.
2. the "romantic" way: a little bit as above with Sam being romantic, maybe if the place helps (like the beach) Sophia will be in awe and warmed up (also the song) and Sam could try a more direct approach like at the pool, starting to feel Sophia's arms with his hands, and slowly leaning in for a kiss either on the lips or on the neck (Sophia's weak spot). At that point Sophia has the choice to give in and let it happen. (Sorry it sounds a bit more romantic in my head but writing is definitely not my skill... I hope you get what I mean )

That's for the kiss.
Now, before the previous update I would say that's enough, after all it's a big step for Sophia as it is the first time she kisses a male that is not her husband willingly.

But considering the change of pace of this PD, I wouldn't be surprise if things can escalate a bit more. Sophia once she decide to kiss can be really carried away by the kiss and Sam can try something more, like slowly sliding his hand under Sophia shirt to finally touch the objects of his desires.
Depending on Sophia dress we could even imagine that he manage to expose one breast for a kiss, while Sophia gives in her moment of passion.
The limit for me is, as I said before, a very "light third" base, with Sam, e.g. getting to feel her inner thigh, like Tyler did at the club. If not exactly that, something in the same range.

Then Liam's call can bring Sophia back to reality as it as been discussed (for example).

What do you guys think?
Reasonable (considering the pace of the game, not our wishes)? Too much? Too conservative?

This raises some interesting questions. I did say I wasn't going to speculate much but as I've played the Sam route so far......
We know something more or less has to happen & a kiss would be my first guess. As this is L&P I would normally think that the next move would be Sophia pulling away &/or blocking his hand. It's possible that things could go further, if the Dev really is serious about increasing the pace. Following on could be the internal agonising & then the interruption from a Liam phone call & so on.

There is a sense of the unknown regarding the question of how a relatively inexperienced teenager manages to romance a beautiful sophisticated older woman. I know I wouldn't have been able to do this at 17 let alone dare to go in for a kiss. It was enough to try romancing girls my own age on a beach in the moonlight. [Added to which The North Sea is very cold & grey, even under a full moon]. Sam will have to take a gamble & hope for the best, which leads me to believe he will dedicate a song to his "special laydee," which hopefully won't turn into a cringeworthy moment. If it successfully creates a mood, perhaps Sophia will take the initiative, before being interrupted etc.

 

[Old Dog]

Thinking about the Don Morello situation and Liam's debt. Now I don't have photographic memory - maybe someone who accesses the code or screenshots might be able to correct me.

From memory Liam is due a future promotion at work and I think L&P had deliberately set it (the promotion) a month after the casino debt would due to be repaid. So it is not that Liam cant replay the debt at all - just that he can't repay it in time.

I know "realism" has been increasingly stretched over the last update. But the idea that US$400k debt can be forgiven for merely a flash of boobs and panties would totally break any realism for me.

Alley_Cat has mentioned this before that Liam could repay the debt if he had more time.
I have always thought that the prison visit was a long winded event to corrupt Sophia some more and add solutions to the Bennett/Aiden problem which could of been done without the prison event.

 

[Poser_Voyeur]

Despite being a good rhythm guitarist, Sam still prefers to play his red electric guitar.
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Is nt Rhythm Guitar used in bands to distinguish versus Lead Guitar?
So Rhythm Guitar could quite be electric too.

 

[Deleted member 3325933]

Thinking about the Don Morello situation and Liam's debt. Now I don't have photographic memory - maybe someone who accesses the code or screenshots might be able to correct me.

From memory Liam is due a future promotion at work and I think L&P had deliberately set it (the promotion) a month after the casino debt would due to be repaid. So it is not that Liam cant replay the debt at all - just that he can't repay it in time.

So if L&P still wants to keep some semblance of realism, then Sophia visiting Larry in prison might just give them longer to repay rather than forgiving the whole debt. Otherwise the whole thing does nt make sense to me given that L&P has couple of times explicitly ruled out an Indecent Proposal scenario.

I know "realism" has been increasingly stretched over the last update. But the idea that US$400k debt can be forgiven for merely a flash of boobs and panties would totally break any realism for me.

Sorry! You are broken! I think that is exactly what he did. And I totally agree with you!

 

[Deleted member 3325933]

This raises some interesting questions. I did say I wasn't going to speculate much but as I've played the Sam route so far......
We know something more or less has to happen & a kiss would be my first guess. As this is L&P I would normally think that the next move would be Sophia pulling away &/or blocking his hand. It's possible that things could go further, if the Dev really is serious about increasing the pace. Following on could be the internal agonising & then the interruption from a Liam phone call & so on.

There is a sense of the unknown regarding the question of how a relatively inexperienced teenager manages to romance a beautiful sophisticated older woman. I know I wouldn't have been able to do this at 17 let alone dare to go in for a kiss. It was enough to try romancing girls my own age on a beach in the moonlight. [Added to which The North Sea is very cold & grey, even under a full moon]. Sam will have to take a gamble & hope for the best, which leads me to believe he will dedicate a song to his "special laydee," which hopefully won't turn into a cringeworthy moment. If it successfully creates a mood, perhaps Sophia will take the initiative, before being interrupted etc.

All depends on the woman and what she wants (Dustin Hoffman, Ann Bancroft The Graduate)

After side 2 I am totally expecting some cringe worthys. I believe it will become a staple.

 

[Atton563]

Is nt Rhythm Guitar used in bands to distinguish versus Lead Guitar?
So Rhythm Guitar could quite be electric too.

Rhythm Guitar is usually used to play the main riff of the song while Lead Guitar is for the solo and melody. Sam could play rhythm on his acoustic just as easily as on his electric it's just that his electric would work better in a rock band. I don't ever remember him telling Sophia he was a rhythm guitarist though.

 

[DIRTY FILTHY Animal]

As nexer pointed out so well, I too think that the place where Sam will be performing will most likely be this one:
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The presence of the logo (El Mocandos) immediately hints at the famous Toronto live music venue (

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) where rock bands like U2, Ramones, Rolling Stones etc. have performed over the years so I think the stage will be laid out in this configuration. In addition to this, without disturbing such a sacred place for live music for the performance of a fledgling garage band, I think the presence of the palm tree in the bar's logo is perfect to justify what Sam anticipated during his first guitar lesson to Sophia (...Just one of those bars at the beach).
I also think that the stage layout will not deviate much from the one depicted in the image shown above. In fact, I think Sam's show will not be a group performance, but a solo electric guitar performance. This would greatly reduce L&P's involvement in developing the scene (fewer characters involved, fewer renders to produce, less time to waste on any aspect of his work) and would bring the characters presumably starring in it (Sam and Sophia) into focus more quickly.
It would also be more in line with the developer's tendency to lower expectations of this event. In fact, having placed Sam's performance, in temporary order, before Sophia and Liam's visit to Cathy and Andy's house, in my opinion, greatly limits the possible developments of this event.
Therefore, I think that Kevin (the guy in whose garage Sam usually plays) and the other members of Sam's band won't show up (perhaps due to too much stage fright) and that Sam will have to perform alone playing a single song in a nearly deserted venue (given the time of the appointment with Cathy and Andy his event will inevitably take place around 8/9pm). In this rather disappointing atmosphere, Sam should not miss the chance to turn his performance into a serenade to dedicate to the girl of his (wet) dreams that he would like to cum true. To achieve this, he should play a particularly evocative song whose notes evoke a clear and unequivocal message in the heart of his muse: Sophia.
I suggest this song:

Spoiler: Bloodhound Gang - The Bad Touch

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Joking aside, I don't know what are the limits not to be exceeded in order to avoid transgressing international copyright laws (even if in the game I already seemed to hear some more or less original songs), but if it were possible, since both Sophia and Sam are classic rock lovers, I would choose this famous power ballad as the song to dedicate to Sophia:

I want a funnier crude song. Anything from Steel Panther (they sound like 80's Poison but with dirtier songs) like Weenie Ride, Eatin Aint Cheatin, It Wont Suck Itself, Gloryhole, The Shocker "2 in the Pink & 1 in the Stink" these are just a few

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But in all seriousness, maybe it could be "Feel Like Making Love" by Bad Company as hes eyeball fucking Sophia while he plays it. LOL

 

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[Poser_Voyeur]

Rhythm Guitar is usually used to play the main riff of the song while Lead Guitar is for the solo and melody. Sam could play rhythm on his acoustic just as easily as on his electric it's just that his electric would work better in a rock band. I don't ever remember him telling Sophia he was a rhythm guitarist though.

Yes - That's what I was thinking of but you explained it better.

 

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[Alley_Cat]

Ibanez probably
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Spoiler: Another Ibanez

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So back to Sam's event...

What do you guys think that will likely happen?
I'm not talking about the logistics, whether he gives Sophia a drive home, a detour to a special spot, a walk on the beach etc etc. This are details that help to set the mood but let's forget that for a minute.

I think the general consensus is that they will have an alone moment, in any of the above or other settings.
What do you think will happen then?

Given the progression of Sam's story it's almost trivial to suggest a kiss. He had a lot of touching (the guitar lesson, the pool, the fashion show), a kiss on the cheek (pool) and a bit a "visual stimuli" (the balcony, the areola and the fashion show). It seems natural that the next step is a kiss, given that this is the "romantic" path (even if we know he is not that innocent) and of course sex is not happening.

Now, I see two main ways it can happen (we know that alcohol might be involved but it won't be play a role like in past event KillJoys ):

1. the "usual" way: if we look at the patterns throughout the game, most of Sophia's interactions with... let's call them the youngsters always happen as a sort of request: Can we kiss (Ellie, Julie), Can you show this and that (Dylan, Sam, Mayer's boys). Only Dylan and Emma stole a kiss, even if in different context and circumstances.
   So following that pattern I can imagine Sam being romantic and all, talking about the concert, the song he might have dedicated to her and getting back to the "impossible" relationship talk of the pool, the longing for her etc and finally asking with puppy eyes for "just a kiss". That will start the usual Sophia internal dilemma and the choice is offered to give in.
2. the "romantic" way: a little bit as above with Sam being romantic, maybe if the place helps (like the beach) Sophia will be in awe and warmed up (also the song) and Sam could try a more direct approach like at the pool, starting to feel Sophia's arms with his hands, and slowly leaning in for a kiss either on the lips or on the neck (Sophia's weak spot). At that point Sophia has the choice to give in and let it happen. (Sorry it sounds a bit more romantic in my head but writing is definitely not my skill... I hope you get what I mean )

That's for the kiss.
Now, before the previous update I would say that's enough, after all it's a big step for Sophia as it is the first time she kisses a male that is not her husband willingly.

But considering the change of pace of this PD, I wouldn't be surprised if things can escalate a bit farther. Sophia, once she decides to kiss, can be really carried away by the kiss and Sam can dare something more, like slowly sliding his hand under Sophia shirt to finally touch the objects of his desires.
Depending on Sophia dress we could even imagine that he manages to expose one breast for a kiss, while Sophia is completely overwhelmed by the moment of passion.
The limit for me is, as I said before, a very "light third" base, with Sam, e.g., getting to feel her inner thigh, like Tyler did at the club. If not exactly that, something in the same range.

Then Liam's call can bring Sophia back to reality as it as been discussed (for example).

What do you guys think?
Reasonable (considering the pace of the game, not our wishes)? Too much? Too conservative?

If Sophia were alone, I could see Sam trying for a kiss. Except she's going to be with Patricia, and maybe Ellie. So the most I can see happening is Patricia making a joke about wanting to bang rock musicians and Sophia not denying it. The next Sam event on playable day 13 however, might be a completely different matter.

Or if Ellie is turning up, in which case L&P might be setting up the Sam branch of the Ellie route. As a parallel to the Dylan route, and what is happening at the moment with Emma and Marie.

 

[Talcum Powder]

You are overhyping Aiden. Aiden is nowhere near a threat that big, it's a school gang with maybe a few connections with some rowdy adults. And in the other corner is a mafia boss. You really think morello with think twice before giving a school teenager a scare.

If he’s so small time then why won’t the cops touch him?

Bennett once again is not on the board.
He is also a teacher just like Sophia. He might have hidden connections but nothing to do with government on his side.

I didn’t say he’s on the board, I said he’s a government employee.

Morello is constantly doing things against the government, does it matter to him to give a phone call. He can give a direct threat to minister and be unscaved, let alone this sleazy bastard.

is pure conjecture on your part and not sunstantiated anywhere in the game content.

Do you think Bennett is so hell bent on fucking sophia that even after getting a call from a Mafia boss he will fight against him and his entire gang just to "maybe" have a chance that Sophia will agree to have sex.
Morello is constantly doing things against the government, does it matter to him to give a phone call. He can give a direct threat to minister and be unscaved, let alone this sleazy bastard. Do you think Bennett is so hell bent on fucking sophia that even after getting a call from a Mafia boss he will fight against him and his entire gang just to "maybe" have a chance that Sophia will agree to have sex.

Helping Sophia is no big deal for Morello, henceforth even Calling it a favour is over exaggerating it. Morello would have done that for Sophia even if she mentioned it to him on the Casino night, [/QUITE]
Again, this is pure conjecture, an assumption, and Sophia would have no reason to think that someone her husband owes hundreds of thousands of dollars would be willing to help her.

Morello was interested in Sophia and helping a woman get rid of a harasser doesn't need to be called a favour to her.

Dude, sorry, your arguments are devolving into poor fan-fiction at this point.

 

[Sabertooth__]

If he’s so small time then why won’t the cops touch him?

I didn’t say he’s on the board, I said he’s a government employee.

is pure conjecture on your part and not sunstantiated anywhere in the game content.

The cops didn't do anything because it's useless since there is no concrete evidence Sophia had against him. Without which Aiden's uncle will easily be able to free him. Hence there was no point to it.
Also Aiden can be a little intimidating to a normal family not to a mafia boss.

Isn't it a private school. How is he a government employee. Even if he is, they are government employees on paper nothing more. I have a friend recently who recently moved from a private school to a government school and all that's changed for her is she gets a better salary, nothing else. Government employees with power can only be those who are holding a high position as an officer. Also even if he did have power " somehow", do you think it is a wise decision to involve the government when you are the one harassing a woman and the call was to ask you to stop doing it. Not in my opinion.

As for the last part, I want to ask you, what do you think a mafia does ? Lawful activities, staying within the barriers of law. Helping ensure government rules are followed ??
What I see it as is they can be involved with drugs, smuggling, gambling dens etc etc.

Also just came to my mind. Do you think morello does not have connections with high ranking government officials. It is a given for him, or else how is he supposed to carry out his illegal businesses smoothly. I have never heard of a man being so powerful and not having any connections within the government

 

[Michael Rawson]

So back to Sam's event...

What do you guys think that will likely happen?
I'm not talking about the logistics, whether he gives Sophia a drive home, a detour to a special spot, a walk on the beach etc etc. This are details that help to set the mood but let's forget that for a minute.

I think the general consensus is that they will have an alone moment, in any of the above or other settings.
What do you think will happen then?

Given the progression of Sam's story it's almost trivial to suggest a kiss. He had a lot of touching (the guitar lesson, the pool, the fashion show), a kiss on the cheek (pool) and a bit a "visual stimuli" (the balcony, the areola and the fashion show). It seems natural that the next step is a kiss, given that this is the "romantic" path (even if we know he is not that innocent) and of course sex is not happening.

Now, I see two main ways it can happen (we know that alcohol might be involved but it won't be play a role like in past event KillJoys ):

1. the "usual" way: if we look at the patterns throughout the game, most of Sophia's interactions with... let's call them the youngsters always happen as a sort of request: Can we kiss (Ellie, Julie), Can you show this and that (Dylan, Sam, Mayer's boys). Only Dylan and Emma stole a kiss, even if in different context and circumstances.
   So following that pattern I can imagine Sam being romantic and all, talking about the concert, the song he might have dedicated to her and getting back to the "impossible" relationship talk of the pool, the longing for her etc and finally asking with puppy eyes for "just a kiss". That will start the usual Sophia internal dilemma and the choice is offered to give in.
2. the "romantic" way: a little bit as above with Sam being romantic, maybe if the place helps (like the beach) Sophia will be in awe and warmed up (also the song) and Sam could try a more direct approach like at the pool, starting to feel Sophia's arms with his hands, and slowly leaning in for a kiss either on the lips or on the neck (Sophia's weak spot). At that point Sophia has the choice to give in and let it happen. (Sorry it sounds a bit more romantic in my head but writing is definitely not my skill... I hope you get what I mean )

That's for the kiss.
Now, before the previous update I would say that's enough, after all it's a big step for Sophia as it is the first time she kisses a male that is not her husband willingly.

But considering the change of pace of this PD, I wouldn't be surprised if things can escalate a bit farther. Sophia, once she decides to kiss, can be really carried away by the kiss and Sam can dare something more, like slowly sliding his hand under Sophia shirt to finally touch the objects of his desires.
Depending on Sophia dress we could even imagine that he manages to expose one breast for a kiss, while Sophia is completely overwhelmed by the moment of passion.
The limit for me is, as I said before, a very "light third" base, with Sam, e.g., getting to feel her inner thigh, like Tyler did at the club. If not exactly that, something in the same range.

Then Liam's call can bring Sophia back to reality as it as been discussed (for example).

What do you guys think?
Reasonable (considering the pace of the game, not our wishes)? Too much? Too conservative?

Sorry but I don't like it, Sam has crossed any of these situations before dylan , I don't want to play this game anymore, And don't want to think up romantic situations for Sam , and of course Dylan's fans are big disappointed and bored, which makes Dylan fans lose interest in playing this game anymore .


Sorry English is not my native language.

 

[raavan1]

Sorry but I don't like it, Sam has crossed any of these situations before dylan , I don't want to play this game anymore, And don't want to think up romantic situations for Sam , and of course Dylan's fans are big disappointed and bored, which makes Dylan fans lose interest in playing this game anymore .


Sorry English is not my native language.

Mee too

 

[farrah]

Sorry but I don't like it, Sam has crossed any of these situations before dylan , I don't want to play this game anymore, And don't want to think up romantic situations for Sam , and of course Dylan's fans are big disappointed and bored, which makes Dylan fans lose interest in playing this game anymore .


Sorry English is not my native language.

Oh, come on, no need to say that Dylan's fans are bored. Especially for them, there are several events with Dylan every game day. I'm not Sam fan, but he appears as rarely as Ellie.

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

Oh, come on, no need to say that Dylan's fans are bored. Especially for them, there are several events with Dylan every game day. I'm not a fan of Sam, but he appears as rarely as Ellie.

I agree that Dylan has more scenes as a supporting cast member than most other cast members. However, if you take a look at his progress with the other cast members, most of them far exceed his progress by a lot. Most of Dylan's scenes are just filler scenes with minimal progression with Sophia, POV Yoga event (Marie) was the focus here with some observance with the other women, and not to mention his progress is more in the tune of Self-Imposed "Happy Endings," Spying (Perverted), Touchy-Feely Fabric scenes, and Begging. However, it changed a little bit with the jogging scene.

I would love for Ellie to have more scenes, but every time she is in a scene with Sophia, Ellie moves the bar closer to the Ultimate Prize. Dylan, on the other hand, is getting the "Two-steps forward, One-step back" treatment. IMO, Ellie's progression should be one step above Dylan but behind the rest of the other cast members. This is based on L&P's comments about it being "Realistic" that M/S can't develop quickly and it takes time, and I believe that should apply to M/D as well, even though she is a female.

 

[Adolfo]

About concertar scene, probably with Sam. This is a game of barriers that are falling little by little, but they are falling.

Sophia has had all kinds of sexual thoughts (lesbian sex, hetero sex, individual or group sex). She has been shown in underwear and bikinis repeatedly (including Sam) for some protagonists or in public, with photos included. She has shown herself naked in public or almost totally. She has shown his areolas to Sam. She has taught her tits to Dylan, Ellie, Julia, the students in the art class, the people in the sauna (with De Shawn and Vicky), Larry Morello and Alysha. She has shown her rear to Sam, Larry or Dylan with a thin tanga. His ass and his pussy has been shown to Ellie, Patricia and the girls in the yoga class, and unknowingly his ass to Dylan. It has tempted others, especially Zac, Dylan and Sam. She has let her ass touched and caressed by Ellie (bare ass) and Dylan (in sportswear). Sam and Dylan have touched her sneakily testing the texture of the garments. It has been touched by the masseuse, Aiden (belly), Dylan (wearing clothes) Ellie and Julia. Her tits have been touched and her nipples caressed and pinched by Ellie, Julia and Aiden. He has shown his outer lips in art class. She has been kissed by Ellie, Patricia and Julia. Tyler has kissed her on the neck and caressed her thighs and clitoris through her panties. She has masturbated in front of Alysha and Ellie. Tyler and Sam have pressed their crotch against her tushy. Zac, Aiden, the janitor, Dylan, the old men from the first job and the guys from the second job have shown their penises to Sophia. She has seen Dylan and the janitor masturbate in front of her. She has grabbed the penises of her students from the second job and has started masturbating them. Aiden has rested his penis on Sophia's back and she has consented to it.

IMO (or I hope) the scene of Sam's concert will be something else, a new barrier with some of the previous ones, and it will be a barrier I understand that very important because with that scene ends chapter 1 of the game. I don't think it's a point of no return, but a very important step (or several)

 

[Alley_Cat]

Oh, come on, no need to say that Dylan's fans are bored. Especially for them, there are several events with Dylan every game day. I'm not Sam fan, but he appears as rarely as Ellie.

Even rarer by my count. Including playable day 13, I count 40 Dylan events, 21 Ellie, 10 Sam and 8 Patricia events.

 

[Sabertooth__]

Even rarer by my count. Including playable day 13, I count 40 Dylan events, 21 Ellie, 10 Sam and 8 Patricia events.

Where has L&P mentioned the number of scenes for Sam and Patricia, I never across anything like that till now.

Also more Dylan scenes is very understandable. Firstly his progress has to be the slowest, secondly he is the most popular character and though Ellie is close we all know lots of people love hetero stuff ( I prefer the lesbian route, so please don't count me among them ).

Also lot of Dylan events are really small and filler content type.