VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.215f] [Lust & Passion]

[nexer]

yes, unfortunately, but it's fun

I promised to stop watching DC Marvel, but I fell for it. Shazam, what a waste of time.
It can be fun but it boggles my mind

 

[Alley_Cat]

I was thinking about the different characters and their relationship with Sophia, and for me, it’s really strange that Ellie is already this far in her progress with Sophia.
I’m not saying that she should or shouldn’t be there , but let’s make a comparison :

-Take Dylan and Sam ( the 2 important male characters) . Are they that far beyond what other less important male characters have done with Sophia ?
She has shown her boobs to Dylan after bargaining for a long time. Well she does the same for deshawn and the prisoner guy. She even fantasize to have sex with the man, while she’s far from doing that with Dylan.

With Sam, it’s even worse. Zac, in 2 events, has already closed the gap with him.

- Now let’s look at Ellie case and let’s compare her to the other female protagonists :
-Vicky ? Ellie is far ahead
Nathalie ? Same
Alyssa ? She’s progressing but Ellie is still past her
- The 2 girls from the yoga event ? (Can’t remember their names right now). Can we even compare Ellie with them
- Patricia who is supposed to be one of the 2 most important female characters is far behind Ellie.
- And as for Julia, yes you could say that she’s on par with Ellie but even the last event with Julia, it was mostly Ellie who was in control of the situation.

I’m not comparing Ellie to Dylan here or saying they should be at the same stage.
But look at where Sam and Dylan are comparing to other males characters and now look at Ellie comparing to other female characters.

Where are we in the game ? Playable day 12?
At the speed L&p is progressing Sophia/Ellie relationship, I don’t see why they wouldn’t have sex before playable day 20. (And I ‘m really generous here. That would only happen if L&p really slow down their relationship, or if Ellie doesn’t have that much events for the next 8 playable days ( which won’t happen)).

It’s not like with Vicky or Nathalie who appear once every 4 or 5 playable day for a small event.
She’s one of the main characters. She will be present for most of the days to come and sometime she will have multiple event with Sophia on the same day. Each time making some progress in her relationship with Sophia.

So let’s say, arbitrarily, that they have sex on playable day 20 . Then what ? That would still leave 10 playable days. So ... they have sex in different places ? Use some sex toys ? Have a threesome with Julia or Patricia ? I don’t see why that would take 10 days. And it might feel a little redundant for some people after some time.

While we have information on the Dylan events all the way up to playable day 30, our information about Ellie stops on playable day 21, where she has 3 events (with 2 on day 19 and none on day 20). So seemingly completely disappears.

Since Sophia started masturbating in the shower then stopped, my guess is that getting Sophia comfortable masturbating in front of Ellie will be her next goal, especially since so far the Ellie route is the one that requires Sophia not to be having sex with Liam

There is a big event due with Alyssa on day 16-17,I cannot rememebr what onw but it is supposed to be a carry on from there last meeting

Playable day 17, assuming L&P drops the Coach Sophia storyline

 

[xxxorro]

All this talk of Sophia having sex has reminded me of two critical pieces of information that we don't seem to have yet:

1. Does Sophia squirt?
2. Does Sophia swallow?

1. From the latest (0.115) shower scene

ellie "Have... you ever squirted during orgasm?"
sophia "Unfortunately, not yet."

2. We know from the sex scene with Liam after the opera that she does not like it

 

[nexer]

1.

ellie "Have... you ever squirted during orgasm?"
sophia "Unfortunately, not yet."

2. We know from the sex scene with Liam after the opera that she does not like it
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Good point.
1. Not yet.
2. Not yet.

 

[Talcum Powder]

1. From the latest (0.115) shower scene
2. We know from the sex scene with Liam after the opera that she does not like it

Thanks! I, like most here, lose track of the details. Too much focus on pigeons and mystery bags of late.
(I just realized I never got the first sex scene cuz I skipped the opera)

 

[Alley_Cat]

Do we know anything yet about why Aiden seemingly forgets to blackmail Sophia for a week between tasks 3 and 4?

 

[Poser_Voyeur]

A brilliant addition to a discussion forum.


I agree with you and Apollodore in principle, but unfortunately there are going to be some jumps that stretch your thinking. The baby steps that you're suggesting would be realistic, but it would take more than 30 days; and Aiden doesn't even see her every day. So there's going to need to be a few times where the jump to the next task is rather hard to believe. Either you can roll with it or you can't, I don't think we're going to have much of a choice.

I am not disagreeing with you. I did note that I thought one or more tasks might be covered in flashback if there was a time jump in game days, so that can have those incremental gaps between each task but still accelerate through the tasks so we get to the more interesting tasks as the corruption ratchets up.

 

[Poser_Voyeur]

it is impossible even though you skip all of the men scene but you cannot escape from liam

Am I right in thinking the first sex scene with Liam once you get to San Alejo is fixed, but that everyone afterwards s optional.

Therefore if you are interested in the lesbian route, which certainly has the best sexual content SO FAR, you just have to fast forward past one scene with Liam.

IIRC Alley_Cat has a walkthrough focussing on the lesbian route, or at the very least can point you in the right direction.

 

[Old Dog]

Do we know anything yet about why Aiden seemingly forgets to blackmail Sophia for a week between tasks 3 and 4?

I don't think that he does give Sophia a week off but I am not sure

 

[Alley_Cat]

Am I right in thinking the first sex scene with Liam once you get to San Alejo is fixed, but that everyone afterwards s optional.

Therefore if you are interested in the lesbian route, which certainly has the best sexual content SO FAR, you just have to fast forward past one scene with Liam.

IIRC Alley_Cat has a walkthrough focussing on the lesbian route, or at the very least can point you in the right direction.

No, all sex scenes are skippable. The first sex scene with Liam is only if they go to the opera. If they don't, then Sophia stays home and watches porn.

I don't think that he does give Sophia a week off but I am not sure

Task #3 is on playable day 12, and a week later on playable day 13 is task #4. So yes, Aiden gives Sophia a week off doing tasks, for some inexplicable reason.

 

[xxxorro]

Do we know anything yet about why Aiden seemingly forgets to blackmail Sophia for a week between tasks 3 and 4?

One possibility is that the tasks in the classroom are over or, better, from the 3rd one forward, they will take place in different contexts than the school. Then maybe they will come back once in a while.
This also makes sense in terms of the incremental steps. The panties and the braless thing are the limit that Sophia could (realistically) agree on doing in front of the students. Going outside the school settings allows for "more creativity" and less constraints.
And again, Aiden will play a slow burn of his own, you give her time to settle after each task. That could be a possible explanation.
Also, not clear if PD 13 is on thursday or friday, the first is Sophia's free day, the second she is teaching literature, so base on that the settings can be defined.

 

[Old Dog]

No, all sex scenes are skippable. The first sex scene with Liam is only if they go to the opera. If they don't, then Sophia stays home and watches porn.

Task #3 is on playable day 12, and a week later on playable day 13 is task #4. So yes, Aiden gives Sophia a week off doing tasks, for some inexplicable reason.

Ok.....I stand corrected

 

[Alley_Cat]

One possibility is that the tasks in the classroom are over or, better, from the 3rd one forward, they will take place in different contexts than the school. Then maybe they will come back once in a while.
This also makes sense in terms of the incremental steps. The panties and the braless thing are the limit that Sophia could agree on doing in front of the students. Going outside the school settings allows for "more creativity" and less constraints.
And again, Aiden will play a slow burn of his own, you give her time to settle after each task. That could be a possible explanation.
Also, not clear if PD 13 is on thursday or friday, the first is Sophia's free day, the second she is teaching literature, so base on that the settings can be defined.

Not to mention more locations L&P has to create from scratch, further delaying progress.

Playable day 13 is a Friday. A day Sophia normally has class, and we also know there is a Dylan/Amber event of him coming back from his first few days of boarding school.

 

[Old Dog]

Not to mention more locations L&P has to create from scratch, further delaying progress.

Playable day 13 is a Friday. A day Sophia normally has class, and we also know there is a Dylan/Amber event of him coming back from his first few days of boarding school.

Does the week between tasks involve the time jump?

 

[xxxorro]

Playable day 13 is a Friday. A day Sophia normally has class, and we also know there is a Dylan/Amber event of him coming back from his first few days of boarding school.

Yes sorry you are right, the 4th one is during the literature lesson. At least, scheduled during that time slot, what, where and who is involved is another question

 

[Poser_Voyeur]

at this point it seems like its just going to drag on until late May.

he's going to boast about 700/800 renders and 10 new environments completely missing the point that that is hindering development time and we're back at 5/6 months for a development cycle but now instead of half a day it's for a third of a day

the 3 month thing for a third of a day didnt even last 2 versions.

estimate for game completion: 2040

Sad but true.

It won't change until L&P realises himself that firstly 690+ renders for a small update, and secondly also that 30 minutes tweaking per render, are not themselves a good thing. He needs to learn how to focus and how to be more efficient - no indication as yet that either are likely anytime soon.

In the meantime we will have to enjoy those pictures of Sophia in black leathers!!

 

[Alley_Cat]

Does the week between tasks involve the time jump?

That is more or less what I'm asking. The only other storyline the time jump really affects is Bennett's deadline, bringing it to playable day 17 instead of 24, which only really matters in that it's now before the first sex on the Filthy route.

 

[Old Dog]

That is more or less what I'm asking. The only other storyline the time jump really affects is Bennett's deadline, bringing it to playable day 17 instead of 24, which only really matters in that it's now before the first sex on the Filthy route.

Ok.I got somewhat confused here and thought that you meant that the tasks would not happen because of the time jump but they will.This is the only thing that I have from L&P about the time jump and Aiden tasks.

 

[AB96]

So there's still no sex scene involving Sophia and Dylan/Sam?

 

[Alley_Cat]

So there's still no sex scene involving Sophia and Dylan/Sam?

Correct. The best information we have is that the first sex scene on the Filthy route wont be until playable day 19 (we're at 12 at the moment). Which could be at least 5 years away, especially if L&P continues to expand events like he is currently.