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Kakato

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Nice thought but the game will be abandoned by then if not finished
I said this like 1000 times. There's no doubt about that. I always admire many fans theorizing about what will happen on PD18 or above, but chances we get there, yet see the end of this game, are almost impossible. Let's be honest for 2 seconds here. Like you said in a previous post, let's enjoy the ride for the time being. It will end sooner or later.

Look, L&P is sure very competent and professional as a Dev. No one can argue about that, but the SPEED has always been, is and will always be the Main Source of Frustration and debate concerning AWAM. If we got more frequent updates, I bet that there wouldn't be as many complaints or ppl shit-posting/trolling here. That's the only element which can change the Trend and give us some hope = A radical change in terms of speed. If no solution is found to change this, everyone should give up on seeing the completion of this game. And I'm not being pessimist, just realistic.

On a side note, IMHO, the number of routes should be shortened. Some Side characters (well, pplz I subjectively consider as such) should be cast-off if they got no added value in the long term. Without exaggeration, I personally played more than 100 different games on this site (Renpy, Unity, RPGM, HTML, etc... ) and AWAM is the first game I've played where we didn't get any naked close-ups of the main girl after 4 long years - And as you might have guessed, I'm not talking about Tits.

Anyway, sorry for the essay. Just my 2 cents comment. I like this game, don't get me wrong and I'm not asking for a fuck-fest either, but man, this isn't slow, this is TOO SLOW.
 

ashitanojoe

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Has there already been a report about the patreon account "GamesNovels" that has this A wife and mother game on their patreon? they have videos on XNXX under the name "mother and wife episodes" same character names, and constantly attaching their patreon link "gamesnovels" visually into the videos.
I'm assumming it wasn't reported because if it was the lust and passion creator could report their patreon for profiting off their novel?

oh and i didn't want to use links because i don't know the rules on that.
I already warned DecentMonkey (Fashion Business' dev) about this, his game is also involved, and he is the kind of guy to take action against these things. So, probably that account has its days numbered.
 
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Now that would be sad to say the least. If that's where the game is heading, then all realism is over board anyway and Sophia might aswell just offer her chocolate starfish to everyone in class and stop wearing clothes alltogether. Not a game I'd want to play atleast.

I don't think it'd be a good idea to go much further with those prepubescent children at all (which it probably will, unfortunately). Easily the worst storyline in the game and an all around bad development decision for a game like AWAM if you ask me. Many patrons probably want to see content like that, but that doesn't make it a good thing for the game. Perfect example here is the romper L&P's patrons voted for, making Sophia look completely out of place for Sam's concert event.
While I welcome your reply, you would be respectfully advised to word your comments wisely and refrain from making assertions about patrons or presumptions about certain fictional characters within this game which could damage it.
Agreed that a degree of reality is essential to the enjoyment and credibility of AWAM but most people, including myself, engage in dialogue here on the assumption AWAM is entirely a work of fiction, a relatively tame erotic game designed for adults, viewed by adults, containing adult fictional characters of a legitimate age that are not real or pretend to be. Scenarios, graphics, places, characters and events that are completely the invention of the creator, plausible in some cases perhaps, wholly implausible in most others, and under no circumstances whatsoever depict real-life characters. I would not follow or applaud this fictional game on any other basis, nor I suspect would most others despite your suggestion that you know what patrons "probably" want to see, or what is good or bad for the game.
If you believe any of the characters in this game represent anything different, as you state, then perhaps you should question why you choose to engage in AWAM yourself. Having said all that, I still think you make a good general point with a sound reminder that to preserve this game the creator should remain within the bounds of acceptability for the continued success of AWAM. I think we'd all agree to that.
 
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Bane71

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L&P, my friend, what is the reason that we are not seeing progress? Please tell me, do we have reasons for serious concern or is everything okay, just need a little patience?

Patience and trust for something very nice and special!
 

palmtrees89

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While I welcome your reply, you would be respectfully advised to word your comments wisely and refrain from making assertions about patrons or presumptions about certain fictional characters within this game which could damage it.
Agreed that a degree of reality is essential to the enjoyment and credibility of AWAM but most people, including myself, engage in dialogue here on the assumption AWAM is entirely a work of fiction, a relatively tame erotic game designed for adults, viewed by adults, containing adult fictional characters of a legitimate age that are not real or pretend to be. Scenarios, graphics, places, characters and events that are completely the invention of the creator, plausible in some cases perhaps, wholly implausible in most others, and under no circumstances whatsoever depict real-life characters. I would not follow or applaud this fictional game on any other basis, nor I suspect would most others despite your suggestion that you know what patrons "probably" want to see, or what is good or bad for the game.
If you believe any of the characters in this game represent anything different, as you state, then perhaps you should question why you choose to engage in AWAM yourself. Having said all that, I still think you make a good general point with a sound reminder that to preserve this game the creator should remain within the bounds of acceptability for the continued success of AWAM. I think we'd all agree to that.
I mean, you can call the characters in question of legitimate age all you want, but none of us would buy that they are supposed to depict actual adults. I'm aware of the reasons on why I'm playing this game, and the storyline mentioned surely isn't one of them. I'm not trying to kink shame anyone, but I sure as hell won't refrain from giving my opinion on certain routes this game has to offer, fictional or not.

My thoughts on what patrons might want to see is solely based on polls made by L&P in the past, asking his supporters what characters they want to see content with the most. And based on these polls it becomes pretty clear that a big portion of his supporters prefer to see content with the arguably youngest characters this game has to offer. I for one am starving for content involving characters like the Janitor, DeShawn, the Morello brothers, the Movers, Karl, aswell as woman like Alyssa, Patricia, Amber and many more..

I see what you're saying, but part of your post reads like something a lawyer would say to protect his/her clients. I'm certainly not actively trying to damage the game and/or developer with my opinions, but if I see something I dislike, there's no reason for me not to mention it and speak my mind, unless it's violating certain forum rules. Appreciate your input, though.
 

GingerSweetGirl

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L&P, my friend, what is the reason that we are not seeing progress? Please tell me, do we have reasons for serious concern or is everything okay, just need a little patience?

Patience and trust for something very nice and special!
What a cop-out. Sure, he's never going to give extremely detailed answers but that's the definition of a non-answer.
 

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I mean, you can call the characters in question of legitimate age all you want, but none of us would buy that they are supposed to depict actual adults. I'm aware of the reasons on why I'm playing this game, and the storyline mentioned surely isn't one of them. I'm not trying to kink shame anyone, but I sure as hell won't refrain from giving my opinion on certain routes this game has to offer, fictional or not.

My thoughts on what patrons might want to see is solely based on polls made by L&P in the past, asking his supporters what characters they want to see content with the most. And based on these polls it becomes pretty clear that a big portion of his supporters prefer to see content with the arguably youngest characters this game has to offer. I for one am starving for content involving characters like the Janitor, DeShawn, the Morello brothers, the Movers, Karl, aswell as woman like Alyssa, Patricia, Amber and many more..

I see what you're saying, but part of your post reads like something a lawyer would say to protect his/her clients. I'm certainly not actively trying to damage the game and/or developer with my opinions, but if I see something I dislike, there's no reason for me not to mention it and speak my mind, unless it's violating certain forum rules. Appreciate your input, though.
Just a few points that are a bit incorrect in your posts.

  • L&P has never held polls for determining which character should have more content and which character should have less. If that were the case Dylan, Ellie would have events every single day and Liam, Logan and a few others like them would not even be shown.
  • And in a previous message you mentioned them as prepubescent children which is an absolutely wrong term to use. Prepubescent refers to an age prior to puberty. Which is generally around the age 10-13.
Now coming to the game those boys are not of that age. This I can base off of the facts mentioned in the game and backed by another statement by L&P later when the outrage was shown. Both are consistent with each other. Thereby making it concrete.

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So the age of 15-16 is no cover up but the actual ages of the characters based on all the things mentioned in the game.

"I mean, you can call the characters in question of legitimate age all you want, but none of us would buy that they are supposed to depict actual adults"

Atleast I am not calling anyone of legitimate age or adult. Just want to get that clear.
However I would also like to mention that characters like
Dylan and Sam are also 16 ( maybe close to 17 but not 17 yet as per official ages stated by L&P )
Ellie and Julia are also 17 and hence not adults.

  • Also an educational fact, since everyone over here keeps calling this pedophilia. It is wrong, this is not pedophilia. Here's the facts

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This last part is for educational purposes, since I learnt about it recently, I thought why not share the info.
 
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Bane71

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What a cop-out. Sure, he's never going to give extremely detailed answers but that's the definition of a non-answer.
That's right, the answer is without specific explanations. But you must admit, each of us will soon be able to independently assess how good it is and whether it is special!
As much as I would like to have a more specific answer to my question, I accept his answer, I will rate it later after I go through the update myself.
 

Sabertooth__

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L&P, my friend, what is the reason that we are not seeing progress? Please tell me, do we have reasons for serious concern or is everything okay, just need a little patience?

Patience and trust for something very nice and special!
Seriously man what is this "nice and special". It better not be animations now or if they are they should be such animations the likes of which has never been seen before in these games.

Quite a test of patience this is. Honestly I would have preferred he did this during the Dylan Ellie update, I was looking forward to the Aiden task and now just gotta wait.
 

palmtrees89

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Just a few points that are a bit incorrect in your posts.
  • L&P has never held polls for determining which character should have more content and which character should have less. If that were the case Dylan, Ellie would have events every single day and Liam, Logan and a few others like them would not even be shown.
  • And in a previous message you mentioned them as prepubescent children which is an absolutely wrong term to use. Prepubescent refers to an age prior to puberty. Which is generally around the age 10-13.
Incorrect in your opinion maybe. You always manage to make it sound like what you're saying is the only truth.

Just because there's a poll asking for his supporters opinion doesn't mean he has to create content only according to those results. I didn't even say that there was a poll on "which character should have more content", by the way. The poll I'm referring to was about peoples favourite characters, implying that's the characters they want to see more content with. You probably have misinterpreted my statement.

The dialogue might make it sound like they are well over 13, but that doesn't change the fact that they do look somewhere between 10-13 years of age. So yeah, I'm well aware of the term I used here. It's not like I'm blindly believing everything L&P or the game's dialogue is trying to tell me. I'm certainly not the only one who has mentioned their prepubescent looks. And as for Dylan and some others, they weren't part of the conversation and are obviously much older. Are they 18+? I doubt it.

Not sure why you felt the need to explain what pedophilia is, as this term wasn't even used in any of these posts, and I've not seen it being used by many, and not in a long time either, really. I believe I did use the term pedo-content some time ago regarding this storyline, but I'm sure everyone knows what that's supposed to mean.

Anyway, since I can already see this discussion turning into another pointless drama, I'll just call it here. I've made my point clear with the person I was talking to, so I'm good. Cheers!
 

GingerSweetGirl

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Just a few points that are a bit incorrect in your posts.

  • L&P has never held polls for determining which character should have more content and which character should have less. If that were the case Dylan, Ellie would have events every single day and Liam, Logan and a few others like them would not even be shown.
  • And in a previous message you mentioned them as prepubescent children which is an absolutely wrong term to use. Prepubescent refers to an age prior to puberty. Which is generally around the age 10-13.
Now coming to the game those boys are not of that age. This I can base off of the facts mentioned in the game and backed by another statement by L&P later when the outrage was shown. Both are consistent with each other. Thereby making it concrete.

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So the age of 15-16 is no cover up but the actual ages of the characters based on all the things mentioned in the game.

"I mean, you can call the characters in question of legitimate age all you want, but none of us would buy that they are supposed to depict actual adults"

Atleast I am not calling anyone of legitimate age or adult. Just want to get that clear.
However I would also like to mention that characters like
Dylan and Sam are also 16 ( maybe close to 17 but not 17 yet as per official ages stated by L&P )
Ellie and Julia are also 17 and hence not adults.

  • Also an educational fact, since everyone over here keeps calling this pedophilia. It is wrong, this is not pedophilia. Here's the facts

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This last part is for educational purposes, since I learnt about it recently, I thought why not share the info.
Oh, this is my favorite topic to rant about because it's all such an unforced error. But I'll take it in a different direction because my feelings on the apostles are well known.

The whole issue around age in this game (and SOOOOOO many AVGs) is contrived and really frustrating to me. The mental gymnastics we have to do to make these ages work is just absurd. In this case I'm specifically talking about Sophia (I'll leave the kids out of it for now), because apparently it's just too much to be a desirable woman in her 40s. Instead, we have to cram everything into her life at the earliest possible moment in order for her to be as young as possible, but still old enough to be a MILF. It's both stupid and a little creepy.

This woman did the following:
  • graduated high school at 17- ok, that's easy, I did that too.
  • Went to college, and completed a biology Masters program in 5 years- These sort of programs do exist, but they're not extremely common and are very strenuous. But it's complicated by the following points.
  • Immediately became a professor/lecturer- Wait, what? No college, not a university, not even a community college, is going to hire a professor straight out of a Master's program. You can barely even find adjunct professor positions. These are like the rarest of rare jobs in academia. The idea that a 22 year old woman, with no experience and (presumably) no publishing credits to her resume, would be hired to teach others is absurd.
  • Met Liam and got pregnant at ~21- So Liam and Sophia dated, had lots of crazy sex (according to Sophia), and hurried up and got knocked up and married. She did this, all while perusing an INCREDIBLY challenging 5-year Master's program AND immediately getting a job lecturing/teaching in a college setting.
  • Sophia gets pregnant again- Ok, so by the age of ~23, Sophia has completed a 5-year intensive program, become a professor (for lack of a better word), gotten married, and had two kids.
Is all of this possible? Yes. Does it pass the smell test? ABSOLUTELY NOT. And my real bitch about it is that it's all so unnecessary. It didn't need to be this contrived so that everyone is just old enough but also just vague enough so you can fit whatever kink you want into the game. It just feels amateurish to me, like "God, I really want to have a MILF, but damn, 40 is just too old, and I want her to fuck her kids...and I want to dance around their exact ages." Would it really have been so bad to do something like:
  • Sophia graduated with a Masters degree at the age of 23
  • Sophia conducted biological research and published her work at the age of 25
  • By the time she was 26 she was an adjunct professor at a local community college, and was working on her next research paper
  • Sophia and Liam were married when she turned 27 after she unexpectedly became pregnant with Ellie.
  • Sophia became pregnant with Dylan when she was 29 and she left her job to be a stay-at-home mom.
In my telling of the story, Sophia would be ~45 at the start of AWAM if we assume that Ellie is 18. All it would have taken was for L&P to firmly establish an age and commit to the idea that older women can be sexually desirable. But instead he bent over backwards to make sure that Sophia was as young as possible (maybe 40) and leave everything as poorly defined as possible. That drives me nuts. In a game that is all about details, that wants to lean into the whole MILF fetish, the fact that he couldn't openly embrace that Sophia is closer to 50 than she is to 30 is both frustrating and insulting.
 

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L&P, my friend, what is the reason that we are not seeing progress? Please tell me, do we have reasons for serious concern or is everything okay, just need a little patience?

Patience and trust for something very nice and special!
Sorry , he has burned all the patience and who the hell would trust him after 4 years of lying. If you do I have this bridge in New York I need to sell. Are you interested?

Alternate thought. Instead of the constant BS and chattering just take the time to produce the product.

If he were not self employed he would not be employed. At least not in a private business. He does remind me of a bureaucrat however. Somewhere near the DMV.
 
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