VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.220] [Lust & Passion]

[Catherine1972]

There is one thing that didn't make a lot of sense to me, and that is the fact that Sophia is wearing a bra with the dress she is wearing for the prison scene. (I know it served as a pretext for the scene with Larry).

Remember the dress she wears in the bedroom with Dylan. It is said: a bra, it does not go with this kind of dress. So even less with the one she wears in prison.

A dress that leaves the back bare, you don't wear a bra with it, do you? In any case for me, it does not go (just a matter of taste).

But getting to the main thing, this prison scene, I think it's a pivotal moment in Sophia's corruption. We can see it when she comes out of prison, she practically "forgets" Liam. She only thinks of herself.

I think that now we are just missing one thing: Sophia must herself trigger a daring event. Without being influenced.

The AWAM community will surely correct what I am about to say.
But has there not been a debate precisely on the importance of giving the episode "jailhouse" and the Morello brothers a central place or not?

Personally, I like to see this moment between Sophia and Larry as the beginning of something, without saying the beginning of the end! But a step taken towards the development of Sophia. And yes, of course, I wish there was a sequel to develop this "audacity" finally assumed by Sophia...

 

[hzjujk]

I want to note that this is very realistic (sarcasm), if a lady whose spouse owes the mafia a lot of money once visits the prisoner, the brother of the mafia boss, then in this case it is no longer the family of debtors who owes the mafia, but on the contrary, the mafia will solve the problems of debtors! If so, then in this case, this is not a porn game, but a comedy game!

One possibility would be that Morello "offers" them Liam to invest the debt in the fashion company. This would secure his influence on both Liam and Sophia. That would also bring a lawyer (Aiden's uncle) into the act. And there would be the possibility of financial independence for Sophia if Morello, but not Sophia, pushes Liam out of the company over time. But that's all just speculation.

 

[Catherine1972]

One possibility would be that Morello "offers" them Liam to invest the debt in the fashion company. This would secure his influence on both Liam and Sophia. That would also bring a lawyer (Aiden's uncle) into the act. And there would be the possibility of financial independence for Sophia if Morello, but not Sophia, pushes Liam out of the company over time. But that's all just speculation.

What an interesting hypothesis ...
Would Sophia use Morello or just take the opportunity that presents itself? Or would she simply be a beneficiary of Morello's takeover? Why not...

 

[Notretsam]

The other question about following the tasks that I don't think has a satisfactory answer yet is what happens to Sophia's job and marriage? Even if she enjoys showing off to her students, if she goes too far, she'll end up not only without a job, but pretty much unable to work anywhere.

And if she has broken up with Liam, where is she going to live?

I get what you mean but I wouldn't be to sure about that.

Remember the principal gave Sophia a proper hug greeting when they first met, clearly, he is very hands on. We all remember what MR Bennett is like and of course the Janitor as well.

Also, there was a female teacher who popped into Sophia's room when she was wearing the yellow dress, she was saying she tried to get MR Bennett to give Dylan the right grade. Even though Sophia was sitting down, it appeared as she looked down at Sophia's dress and she never said anything. I can't remember for certain that she did but even if she didn't, she would have noticed it for sure.

So all in all, I don't think the school would bat an eye, I think the principal might use it to get more than a hug but don't think it would end up with Sophia fired.

One possibility would be that Morello "offers" them Liam to invest the debt in the fashion company. This would secure his influence on both Liam and Sophia. That would also bring a lawyer (Aiden's uncle) into the act. And there would be the possibility of financial independence for Sophia if Morello, but not Sophia, pushes Liam out of the company over time. But that's all just speculation.

That is a dam good theory and makes perfect sense.

 

[ancienregimele]

It's definitely extreme, but I don't think it's crazy. How else can it end for someone who has sex with their children, possibly students, and has been fully corrupted? She can't just go back to a normal life. She can't be a wife or mother because Liam will leave her and she won't be allowed near her children. L&P is trying really hard to make a "realistic" game, and he's taking the idea of incest very seriously. I think too many games throw it around lightly, but AWAM seems to be treating it with the weight that it deserves.

I agree up to a point but unfortunately the weight accorded to incest throughout the saga has made it 'Dylan heavy'.

 

[ancienregimele]

So what would you consider the endgame result (which was what the post was about) of a mother caught sleeping with her son, which also happens to be a student of the school she is teaching at?

Do you reasonably expect someone that corrupted to have anything but a bad ending? Maybe not Anna Karenina style, but still. Also not saying the route wouldn't be fun to play. Only that what do people on the Dylan route reasonably expect the ending to be, considering Sophia is reasonably expected not to be able to work as a teacher ever again, and possibly homeless?

They expect them to run away together, even get married, live off Liam's hard-earned money in a fairy tree house, make babies & ahegao faces, while planning Sophia's next youth-retaining plastic surgery &/or her next boob job.

 

[DeadRonin]

I figured a game with 2500 comments would be close to final, just ended the current story like wwwtttttffff

I really need to start doing more research before jumping into these games. Lots of potential but mostly the balls are blue

 

[armion82]

Alley_Cat, you're wrong about "the casino's debt arc seems to be over"... After all, even Morello himself had told Sophie that: (quote) "Morello: Yes, seeing my brother happy again would really mean a lot to me. And it"s like you"re the only one who could manage that! And then we "ll talk about your debt again. Maybe I'll even free you from all them."... and this is not my idea, this is a direct quote from the game! That is, there will be a conversation between Morello and Sophie, and the key word for Morello here is that ... " Maybe" So I think that Morello will not pay off her entire debt (and the debt is probably $6,000,000 at least) let's say ... 10%. I think Morello will tell her: "My dear, you did a good job, and my brother was quite pleased... But you remember that I told you "Maybe"... so I think your ass wiggle is worth say ... 10%".

There was a sex story in which the debt was reduced with 10%.

 

[hmc15]

I thought they said debt was around 300k.

Dylan hater? Lmfaoooo you gonna be mad af when Dylan plowing Sophia cheeks

 

[hmc15]

Alley_Cat, you're wrong about "the casino's debt arc seems to be over"... After all, even Morello himself had told Sophie that: (quote) "Morello: Yes, seeing my brother happy again would really mean a lot to me. And it"s like you"re the only one who could manage that! And then we "ll talk about your debt again. Maybe I'll even free you from all them."... and this is not my idea, this is a direct quote from the game! That is, there will be a conversation between Morello and Sophie, and the key word for Morello here is that ... " Maybe" So I think that Morello will not pay off her entire debt (and the debt is probably $6,000,000 at least) let's say ... 10%. I think Morello will tell her: "My dear, you did a good job, and my brother was quite pleased... But you remember that I told you "Maybe"... so I think your ass wiggle is worth say ... 10%".

L&P said Aiden and Morello would be different styles and they are. Aiden is step-by-step involuntary debauchery. Morello is upfront blackmailing but its all voluntary...Sophia chooses to accept or reject Morello's proposals. Aiden (and friends) are holding Dylan ransom so Sophia kind of has to do it.

I'd be stunned - based on how for Sophia went between plexiglass - if she doesn't get her ass slammed by the ex-con at some point

 

[hmc15]

So what would you consider the endgame result (which was what the post was about) of a mother caught sleeping with her son, which also happens to be a student of the school she is teaching at?

Do you reasonably expect someone that corrupted to have anything but a bad ending? Maybe not Anna Karenina style, but still. Also not saying the route wouldn't be fun to play. Only that what do people on the Dylan route reasonably expect the ending to be, considering Sophia is reasonably expected not to be able to work as a teacher ever again, and possibly homeless?

Clearly there will be multiple endings. Good and bad are all relative

 

[Bill_Buttlicker]

No-one. But your question is merely a way of not answering my question. Liam's response to two women showering together has already been covered - he doesn't care. Sophia and Ellie have already been caught together. And nothing happened. Setup has already been made for Sophia and Ellie to do whatever the fuck they like, and Liam will just attribute it to mother-daughter bonding. He even fixed the bathroom lock to make it happen, after they were caught.

But the point in that scene was also made that if it was Dylan, it would be a different matter.

Liam only assumed they were showering together because initially Dylan was in the other bathroom. He has no idea they had a masturbation class or even kiss and fondle each other. If he did then I think he would care. So they have not been caught like you think they have. It would be no different than Liam and Dylan showering together like in a gym shower. That's all Liam thinks it is.

However you and some others seem to think the worst possible ending is coming for Sophia the dirty wife just because L&P says he wants to make the game realistic. As I said the realism could be the reasons why Sophia decides to engage with Dylan on a sexual level and the ending could still have a happy outcome. For example, she constantly engages him to help with his confidence and ultimately sleeps with him to show him how to please a woman while also giving him the self-esteem to become a man. However once completed, even though she enjoyed it, Sophia decides they can never do this again, while Dylan finally realizes he doesn't need to rely on his mom anymore to be able to pursue other women. They both share a special bond over what they did but both move on while never telling anyone else what happened. Also the good wife route doesn't necessarily have to have a happy ending. Going that route Liam could get an overdose of being cocky since Sophia remained loyal and trusting to him while helping out with the debt he caused. Once paid off he decides to do something even more stupid and goes back to Morello, gives him the finger and says "Fuck you asshole my debt is gone" and walks away. The next day Liam never makes it home and the police find his severed head lying on the beach. But hey it's a happy ending. Yay!

My point is don't assume the worst for being a filthy wife just because the word "realism" is attached to the game description.

 

[Bill_Buttlicker]

They expect them to run away together, even get married, live off Liam's hard-earned money in a fairy tree house, make babies & ahegao faces, while planning Sophia's next youth-retaining plastic surgery &/or her next boob job.

Yes, how stupid of me not to see the torture porn aspect you and others have hoped for

 

[ancienregimele]

Yes, how stupid of me not to see the torture porn aspect you and others have hoped for

Better than the tortured lives of children who are the products of mother-son incest. My post was meant as humourous, after all the Dylan stuff we've had to take. I don't hate Dylan but so what either way? Who really cares? Yes, I enjoy blackmail in these games. I refuse to be kink-shamed for this. It's not "torture porn" & is not even close. If fantasy can't be present in these games, what's the point of them? Porn is a fairy story for adults & just as in children's fairy tales, there's behaviour which would be intolerable in everyday life. That the blackmail stories in AWAM are under attack from so many angles, I think indicates that they should never have been included in the first place but if they're present, I'm going to follow them. My view is that L&P should have the courage of his convictions, or remove them ASAP. I'm quite capable of looking elsewhere to find this type of stuff but why should I? AWAM is the main game for me, even though I hate it at times.

If you check earlier posts by me you'll see that I even came up with a Sophia/Dylan liaison which could, I think, have been acceptable to various POVs, including mine. (Much as I've just read from yourself in this very thread). Anyway, I got your facepalm.... didn't appreciate it. I must have touched a raw nerve? Imagine, if you will, that the incest was under the same attack & beset with the doubts that afflict the blackmail scenarios. This thread would go as crazy as it does after every update. You can guess the rest.

 

[Bane71]

It would be better if the L&P hadn't publicly announced their pursuit of realism in AWAM!
This obligation seriously burdens him and drives him into some conditional framework, which he should not go beyond!
Which is completely inappropriate when creating a porn game!
Not to mention, it confuses the players, making it difficult for us to understand what we can expect from the game in the future.
Indeed, in fact, reality is so complex and diverse that it is not possible to display it within the framework of some conventional aspirations of the developer, since his boundaries of reality can be much narrower or, on the contrary, wider, which, unfortunately, probably does not apply to L&P.

In general, summing up, unfortunately, one gets the impression, I already repeat myself, I said earlier about this that there will be many disappointed players in the future, whose expectations will not come true ...

 

[Abremwerd]

one of the best games

 

[DIRTY FILTHY Animal]

I don’t see Sophia being homeless at all if she gets caught in school I’m sure the principal would just make her have sex with her to keep her job, but if it’s secretly recorded by a student & gets to the media & there forced to fire her & They divorce Im sure Patricia or Allysa would easily take her in.

Also Morello could hire her as cocktail waitress/stripper/escort or she could live with him secretly or at his safehouse

 

[Poser_Voyeur]

If Sophia continues with Aiden's blackmail, there's no way she doesn't do something in the classroom that would get a teacher fired and blacklisted. It may not necessarily be sex with a student (though I think that's very possible), but I think she'll do something very unethical.

But again, I see sex with Dylan as the absolute point of no return. If she does that, then I think the wheels come off of her life. At that point she's committed to the filthiest route and that's probably going to take her to Aiden's final tasks. In the end, she won't just be on the offenders list because she had sex with a student, but she'll be an class 1 sexual predator because she had sex with one or both of her children.

If the player takes Sophia down the absolutely filthest route possible, I believe she will end up unhireable, without a place to live, alone, friendless and abandoned by her family; including Patricia. That's my prediction.

Blimey - that is bleak!!

I know that L&P is aiming for realism but I am still hoping for some fantasy in my adult VN / games. I hope we don't go quite as dark as you feared.

 

[Bill_Buttlicker]

Better than the tortured lives of children who are the products of mother-son incest. My post was meant as humourous, after all the Dylan stuff we've had to take. I don't hate Dylan but so what either way? Who really cares? Yes, I enjoy blackmail in these games. I refuse to be kink-shamed for this. It's not "torture porn" & is not even close. If fantasy can't be present in these games, what's the point of them? Porn is a fairy story for adults & just as in children's fairy tales, there's behaviour which would be intolerable in everyday life. That the blackmail stories in AWAM are under attack from so many angles, I think indicates that they should never have been included in the first place but if they're present, I'm going to follow them. My view is that L&P should have the courage of his convictions, or remove them ASAP. I'm quite capable of looking elsewhere to find this type of stuff but why should I? AWAM is the main game for me, even though I hate it at times.

If you check earlier posts by me you'll see that I even came up with a Sophia/Dylan liaison which could, I think, have been acceptable to various POVs, including mine. (Much as I've just read from yourself in this very thread). Anyway, I got your facepalm.... didn't appreciate it. I must have touched a raw nerve? Imagine, if you will, that the incest was under the same attack & beset with the doubts that afflict the blackmail scenarios. This thread would go as crazy as it does after every update. You can guess the rest.

Didn't appreciate my facepalm? Gee must have touched a raw nerve

 

[Notretsam]

So sure this has been discussed already in this thread but well page 2585, so take a lot to go through and find.

I'm curious what people think is going to happen on the side jobs (tutoring+old folks home) and how it happens?

Also, anyone heard of anything from L&P on these?