VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.220] [Lust & Passion]

[Bane71]

The lessons learned by the comparison, from my perspective, is that L&P needs to stop dwelling on the minutia and move the story forward. 42 pages of script for the events listed is probably going to be so much pretentious bullshit and very little of actual substance.

Your words in this post are extremely disrespectful to the author of AWAM. You don't decide what is more important to L&P, the details or the promotion of the story.

You absolutize your opinion, do not even admit the idea that there are any other approaches to assessments other than your own.

Damn it, you can't be so blind as not to see and understand that you yourself are what you blame the L&P for.

Create your own project according to the rules that you set L&P or play other games that you like, where the developers are more suited to your requirements. Refuse to use AWAM, but you do not need to impose your own approaches and criteria for evaluating the developer's work.

Just some kind of madness! How do people fail to understand that a linear approach to evaluating efficiency is absolutely inappropriate for the creative process, for creative work!

I have no desire to offend you, but comments like yours personally upset me greatly.

 

[phill_leotardo]

No you can't it faulty comparison . You can criticize L&P all you want but compare his game to another (genre) is ridiculous.

You don't understand business apparently. It's like saying you can't compare Wonder Woman movie with Iron Man because it's different genre, when both are in the same context but different character, same thing here. Absolute bullshit and needs to be stopped right here.

 

[Bishop Robert]

Lets all just relax a little.

 

[Bane71]

I don't see how the different protagonist gender means they cannot be compared. The two games are very much comparable in their basic premise: main character going through player driven transformations, with a cast of characters that they can get it on with. They are also built using the same game engine and graphics engine.

DPC has made content with infinitely more sexual content, emotional content, and story progression than L&P has.

You and I, as users, can compare anything! Different games, different genres, etc. But to present our comparisons to the developer of any other project as a standard for his work, that's what is not allowed.

There is no single, universal measure in creativity! You personally may not like something, do not like the work of one artist, and for others his work will be the best!

That's how I understand it when they say that you don't need to compare.

 

[bluehound36]

I don't see how the different protagonist gender means they cannot be compared. The two games are very much comparable in their basic premise

They're entirely different stories, setting is different, there's no incest in BaDiK, one is family centered while the other is about a college age male's coming of age. It really is comparing apples with oranges which negates the comparison entirely. Add to that DPC's typical writing style is geared more towards tragedy whereas L&P is pure drama.

 

[phill_leotardo]

They're entirely different stories, setting is different, there's no incest in BaDiK, one is family centered while the other is about a college age male's coming of age. It really is comparing apples with oranges which negates the comparison entirely. Add to that DPC's typical writing style is geared more towards tragedy whereas L&P is pure drama.

Imagine the game awards for the best game before the COVID. Hey let's not give God of War for the best game because it's different from Red Dead Redemption 2. One is horsey game and other is angry bald guy. What you just said is bullshit nonetheless. Any project is compared so they can earn awards, which negates your words. Furthermore, we can compare all we want because it's valid and logical, unless you mean to say this game is unique anyhow which isn't true, then there isn't a reason to sustain this arguement.

 

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all i know is sophia is still young...and yet her pussy is already developing molds and cobwebs...and don't get me started on her ass...

 

[bluehound36]

Imagine the game awards for the best game before the COVID. Hey let's not give God of War for the best game because it's different from Red Dead Redemption 2. One is horsey game and other is angry bald guy. What you just said is bullshit nonetheless. Any project is compared so they can earn awards, which negates your words. Furthermore, we can compare all we want because it's valid and logical, unless you mean to say this game is unique anyhow which isn't true, then there isn't a reason to sustain this arguement.

That would require such comparisons to actually be valid and logical, which so far, you've not made any valid or logical arguments other than you as an individual can compare whatever you want. It's still unsound reasoning though cause you're attempting to compare a tragedy with a romance drama. They are two different genres with multiple differences in regards to setting, characters and themes.

all i know is sophia is still young...and yet her pussy is already developing molds and cobwebs...and don't get me started on her ass...

Said mold and cobwebs will soon be getting dusted out and holes used up (depending on player choices). Probably within the next 2 or 3 updates i'd imagine.

 

[Sabertooth__]

We understand the logic. We understand impatience. We also like some of the suggestions. But we understood that all of this is of no use. You can work your way off here and your outrage, your frustration and despair here until the last day. Sometimes people just want to hug you and say, "Everything will be fine, my child".
L&P sees its problems and its priorities in completely different places. And that's okay. As long as he earns money with it, it is his business how he works. I would do that too!
Couldn't we share the thread here, one in which you continue to "swap" about the "impossible" way of working and the superfluous side arms of the story and one in which it is about the game and its content itself. Just a thought.

If a topic is brought up it is better to be discussed. I ain't a patron so I don't know how things work there, so I raised a question as to how it does work and got my answer. I have long learnt that anything said on this forum definitely does not affect L&P enough to change his way of working. I just wanted to know how it's on patreon

 

[herrzimm1]

Said mold and cobwebs will soon be getting dusted out and holes used up (depending on player choices). Probably within the next 2 or 3 updates i'd imagine.

Only problem is, people were thinking the same thing 2 or 3 updates BACK!

Hate to be the one to pop your bubble on this one. But poor Sophia getting anything used up at this point is more like wishful thinking than actually possible given the current pace of content. It's one of the reasons I haven't given a rat's ass about this game for quite awhile now. So much potential build up is a complete waste of time if there is no "payoff".

 

[L&P's Father-in-Law]

There's an almost 0 chance this game even reaches the point where Sophia gets on with other person than her husband.

AWAM will eventually be finished by some top tier dude on the fan art page years from now.

 

[phill_leotardo]

That would require such comparisons to actually be valid and logical, which so far, you've not made any valid or logical arguments other than you as an individual can compare whatever you want. It's still unsound reasoning though cause you're attempting to compare a tragedy with a romance drama. They are two different genres with multiple differences in regards to setting, characters and themes.


Said mold and cobwebs will soon be getting dusted out and holes used up (depending on player choices). Probably within the next 2 or 3 updates i'd imagine.

You're in denial. What exactly stops Being A Dik production being quantitatively compared to this game? Have you ever conducted any a GOB type of survey, a research? a game review? Guy legitely compared the amount of renders per release and timespan between the two games. Genre does not matter at all. You're basically saying they cannot be compared because they both aren't a wife and a mother game, which only sounds logical in mars.

I will re-iterate my previous example for you. In terms of quality there's already a current system in place, which is the actual rating system, that already qualifies this game under Being a DIK and has rules in place for every review. The developer of this game has to get them removed in order to sugar coat the appearances of this game, even then it remains below Being a DIK by popular opinion. Therefore, if whatever you said was valid there would be a rule preventing cross themed game evaluation.

Then again, for any kind of rewards such as movie awards and game awards, there are different genre projects such as game and movies are compared in their due category with different themed projects and in their respective events, this is the second argument that breaks your 'no, u' mean-to-say essay.

And to conclude, since you want to go down that road, your argument limits my interest in continuing this conversation with you, I will put it simply.
It can be compared to whatever it is in the games categories in this game community, whether it hurts you or not. This game is loosely drafting away, to the point the developer has more time to fight in this forum than he has to finish a day's worth update.

There is absolutely no reason to continue arguing with people who still defends 'Developer is right, creative desire first, fuck what the players want', type of mentality. I won't even bother replying, have a jolly one!

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

IT could be even 1 event updates as long as the timing was ok.

We've moved from 6months per gameday, to 6 months per half a day, to 6 months per a third of a day so its no suprise that soon we'll be at 6 months per 1/4 of an ingame day, all of it while the conditions mentioned above are getting better.


Regarding DPC and L&P:
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DPC always on the rise and L&P just stagnant/going down. The reasons have been talked about extensively in this thread. One of the most famous games in the biggest forum of these kind of games has such subpar support and the dev can't understand that that happens because of the way he's developing this VN, not because of the VN itself.


DPC, in his last patch, has 3700 renders and (plus!) 40 something animations + coding game mechanics + coding freeroam + doing sprites + new cellphone system. It's a whole other league in terms of development.

These numbers are so interesting to me. L&P's stats aren't bad, but they are definitely curious. Let's forget how he compares to other creators (though I think it's totally fair to compare him to DPC), let's just look at how he's doing. I still believe that L&P is busting his ass, even if he isn't working quickly or efficiently. I wish we could overlay the growth of his page/patrons with the number of renders per update. If we could do that, I think we would get a great graph of L&P's diminishing returns. A game of this notoriety shouldn't be so flat. And while growth in 2020 was overall good, the fact that it flatlined in the 2nd half of the year, and has again flat lined in 2021, should be a concern. There's a disconnect between how much time L&P is putting into his updates and how much growth he's seeing from those updates.

 

[Talcum Powder]

No you can't it faulty comparison . You can criticize L&P all you want but compare his game to another (genre) is ridiculous.

Settle down there tiger. I'll stop just short of calling out how genuinely ridiculous your comment is:
Comparing one game to another is the only way you can know how "good" or "not good" a game is. If you don't have a reference point there is no perspective.

It is true that Rocky is not necessarily the most obvious movie to compare to The Adventures of Baron Munchausen. Things they have in common are, they were both shot on film by story tellers who were passionate about the story they were trying to tell; tight budgets (read: limited resources) that forced the creators to be innovative in order to achieve their vision. Otherwise, not much to tie them together.

Now, swap out Terry Gilliam's masterpiece for (the original) Texas Chainsaw Massacre. The commonalities above are still true. But by comparing the two we can determine, objectively, and independently of our own personal preferences for story, theme, pacing, character archetypes, or Philadelphia vs rural Texas, one of those films is exceptional in just about every way except production value while the other is awful in just about every way including production value.

 

[Bishop Robert]

Everyone here arguing and I'm looking for a house similar to the Parkers in Sims 4

We all got to relax though.

 

[Talcum Powder]

Your words in this post are extremely disrespectful to the author of AWAM. You don't decide what is more important to L&P, the details or the promotion of the story.

You absolutize your opinion, do not even admit the idea that there are any other approaches to assessments other than your own.

Damn it, you can't be so blind as not to see and understand that you yourself are what you blame the L&P for.

Create your own project according to the rules that you set L&P or play other games that you like, where the developers are more suited to your requirements. Refuse to use AWAM, but you do not need to impose your own approaches and criteria for evaluating the developer's work.

Just some kind of madness! How do people fail to understand that a linear approach to evaluating efficiency is absolutely inappropriate for the creative process, for creative work!

I have no desire to offend you, but comments like yours personally upset me greatly.

Hey Bane71, let's start with the last thing first: There is absolutely nothing anyone, yourself included, could ever write in this thread or anywhere else on this website that would or could offend me. If you're upset then ... ?? ... sorry? Is that what you're looking for?

It's kind of preposterous to suggest that I don't recognize there are others here with a differing opinions and drawing different conclusions, having different tastes and fetishes and fancies. My posting history on this thread is a veritable cornucopia of agrees, disagrees, firm opinions, dire predictions, unoriginal thought and fanciful conjecture.

One thing I do think is worth pointing out, and maybe you'll take note, is that you are not putting any effort into counter argument or counter point - you're just trying to dismiss me, not the ideas or opinions, but me.

And, just so I don't get flagged as off-topic: Sophia is still my mom and still smokin' hot and I don't blame anyone for wanting to get in her pants. And finally, a friendly reminder to keep that fucking twerp's greasy jizz-stained hands off my mom.

 

[Talcum Powder]

They're entirely different stories, setting is different, there's no incest in BaDiK, one is family centered while the other is about a college age male's coming of age. It really is comparing apples with oranges which negates the comparison entirely. Add to that DPC's typical writing style is geared more towards tragedy whereas L&P is pure drama.

I hit thinking face emoji because there isn't a sort-of-agree emoji available.
In this order:
True, true, true, agree. Not really, logical fallacy. Agree.

 

[Bane71]

Hey Bane71, let's start with the last thing first: There is absolutely nothing anyone, yourself included, could ever write in this thread or anywhere else on this website that would or could offend me. If you're upset then ... ?? ... sorry? Is that what you're looking for?

It's kind of preposterous to suggest that I don't recognize there are others here with a differing opinions and drawing different conclusions, having different tastes and fetishes and fancies. My posting history on this thread is a veritable cornucopia of agrees, disagrees, firm opinions, dire predictions, unoriginal thought and fanciful conjecture.

One thing I do think is worth pointing out, and maybe you'll take note, is that you are not putting any effort into counter argument or counter point - you're just trying to dismiss me, not the ideas or opinions, but me.

And, just so I don't get flagged as off-topic: Sophia is still my mom and still smokin' hot and I don't blame anyone for wanting to get in her pants. And finally, a friendly reminder to keep that fucking twerp's greasy jizz-stained hands off my mom.

Hello,Talcum Powder! Hello, my friend!
Although my comment was the answer to you, I have still approached many others with similar approaches.

When you personally or someone else says directly what exactly L&P should do, that some aspect is more important and some less important, you and other users will take the trouble to indicate that this is your opinion. Because this does not look like a criticism, but is a command to execute. That's what I'm trying to explain.
Unfortunately, my poor English interferes with our mutual understanding. But I hope we will still understand each other and no one will allow themselves to dirty harassment of Sofia! Only the great and pure feeling of love that Sofia deserves!

 

[The Sailor Man]

Indeed, I could be wrong and indicate the wrong day!

But knowing how L&P tells us its story, I am sure he will try to surprise us and we will definitely not correctly indicate with whom Sofia will cheat on her husband for the first time!
But of course I do not exclude that someone will guess right!

For example, I wonder who you think it might be?

Oh ithink i can have a idea, because Sophia is some prudish woman what discover new temptation lately but dont have enough power or courage to take a step forward, i think need for her first time in cheating to be a character that already make a movie on here and is bold enough to break Sophia restraint, Like Neil per example, for postman i dont think, for her is to strange in actual level, and Carl is her sister Husband and only if Pat wish this can be hapen so in my opinion only viable is Neil, but dont n forget about the blackmailer that can be have a chance somewhat.And yes probably after a 10 year of development probably Sophia will Fuck all what move in entire city only if the at that time will be found just as atractive after those year.

 

[Talcum Powder]

Hello,Talcum Powder! Hello, my friend!
Although my comment was the answer to you, I have still approached many others with similar approaches.

When you personally or someone else says directly what exactly L&P should do, that some aspect is more important and some less important, you and other users will take the trouble to indicate that this is your opinion. Because this does not look like a criticism, but is a command to execute. That's what I'm trying to explain.
Unfortunately, my poor English interferes with our mutual understanding. But I hope we will still understand each other and no one will allow themselves to dirty harassment of Sofia! Only the great and pure feeling of love that Sofia deserves!

Ah, ok, all is good then. And I understand what you're getting at. It is just a misunderstanding, not really due to English proficiency but maybe a lack of immersion in conversational American English which, like many languages, varies greatly by region, ethnic/cultural/religious heritage, age, and of course education and vocation.

I'm not a linguist for sure, but I think it's fair to say of American English that words like "could" and "should" are not generally used to indicate a directive, but instead to indicate opinion or suggestion. I suppose if one isn't familiar with their use in practice and just interprets them by their literal definition then a lot of what I write in these forums could easily sound fanatical and tyrannical.

Which couldn't be farther from the truth. I'm just a bored dude waiting for my mom to come home.