VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.215f] [Lust & Passion]

[TINTIN11]

Dividing into 3 was a nice idea but no one was going to predict that the dev would take the chance (again) to slow things up. There were 3 possible scenarios coming out of that decision.
1. Dev works the same rate: same story progression in a year but less waiting between updates.
2. Dev works faster: more story progression, less waiting between updates.
3. Dev works slower: less story progression, more waiting between updates.

Number 3 happened.

Oh, I think it was easily predictable. N&P is a perfectionist, I think the history of the game proves that he always tends to better quality, more details, more realism. The consequences are always the same, the story goes slower.

And, in my opinion, he needs to ask himself, if it's worth it and if there is an end to this research of perfection.

 

[Turret]

It's a terrible result. Less than 6 render per day on average. Unless he's making a new environment from scratch every week, for someone with his experience, it's just real bad compared to other devs out there.

Definitely and not even the quality of his renders makes it better, considering the quality of for example the stuff seen in "Free Pass". Just take a look at the sample pics for that game!
L&P seems to miss the fact that he is not one of the few Devs with really great artwork like two years ago any longer, the general level of the artwork in the genre has risen.

 

[Jibmeister]

I got it myself. Its lame af. Dylan and sophia wearing gym outfits coming home while ellie is about to leave. Thats all it is. Nothing worth paying 30 euro for

Was that Ellie or someone else?

 

[Jibmeister]

Going to post it here?

I personally dont mind posting it here but a few people have been advising me against it.

 

[L&P's Father-in-Law]

Oh, I think it was easily predictable. N&P is a perfectionist, I think the history of the game proves that he always tends to better quality, more details, more realism. The consequences are always the same, the story goes slower.

And, in my opinion, he needs to ask himself, if it's worth it and if there is an end to this research of perfection.

The talk of him being a perfectionist needs to stop. Not only there are errors in renders (which is completely normal) but the development cycle is riddled with imperfections. A perfectionist wouldnt let that slide.

 

[L&P's Father-in-Law]

Definitely and not even the quality of his renders makes it better, considering the quality of for example the stuff seen in "Free Pass". Just take a look at the sample pics for that game!
L&P seems to miss the fact that he is not one of the few Devs with really great artwork like two years ago any longer, the general level of the artwork in the genre has risen.

Exactly. There's even fan art from people who have 100x less hours in daz that are way above, in quality, than the art from the first half of this game, and that's fine.

Time moves on, hardware gets better and faster, software gets better, assets get better. Hence why it's stupid to lose 30% of rendering time by moving from 720p to 1080p. It won't matter in the end as he can just batch render the whole thing in 1080p or even 1440p in a farm whenever he feels like and release that without any work but to replace pictures and post on patron.
And for a game that is supposed to be developed in the next 20 years, who knows how these kind of games are in 5-10-15 years.

 

[L&P's Father-in-Law]

Decent Monkey boasts that he has 1000-1500 renderers per month and that the update will be on June 6 ! It would seem that checkmate. But in the next sentence, the Decent Monkey says that while he is on vacation, his assistants will continue to work ! And now the question: do you compare L&P alone to development teams ?

People have posted other devs out there who make 500-1000 renders in 8 weeks. DrPinkCake does 4000 + 40 animations in the same 6 months in a much more complex game (which he has to program etc).

If an average of 6 renders a day + translating 2 pages per day is good enough for you, that's ok, but trying to compare L&P to the majority of the devs out there regarding development speed is a losing game, for you.

L&P suposedly has the script written for this update, its 43 MSWord pages. It's moving 5% a day, that means 2 pages translated. Per day.

2 pages. Per day. From someone who says: I work 11 hours a day. Oh and he has help translating from "an american guy on discord", imagine if he hadn't.
Any translator would have done that in 2-3 days.

 

[Turret]

Decent Monkey boasts that he has 1000-1500 renderers per month and that the update will be on June 6 ! It would seem that checkmate. But in the next sentence, the Decent Monkey says that while he is on vacation, his assistants will continue to work ! And now the question: do you compare L&P alone to development teams ?

I cannot speak of others, but I specifically mentioned "Free Pass" and "Deliverance" for comparison, both games made by just one person as well. Both games have regular updates with quality artwork far quicker than AWAM. And they are not the only ones.

Exactly. There's even fan art from people who have 100x less hours in daz that are way above, in quality, than the art from half of this game, and that's fine.

Absolutely, there is amazing fanart out there.

 

[Jibmeister]

I suppose it's not worth discussing because the L&P is threatening to remove "hot content" from the future storyline of the game if we discuss a teaser here.

I think this is not correct, but let's respect the author and fulfill his request.

Is this even possible? Removing "hot content" will be adversely affecting his game.

 

[Alley_Cat]

I cannot speak of others, but I specifically mentioned "Free Pass" and "Deliverance" for comparison, both games made by just one person as well. Both games have regular updates with quality artwork far quicker than AWAM. And they are not the only ones.

Absolutely, there is amazing fanart out there.

Free Pass has two devs. After Choices and Stella, who does a lot of the scriptwork and the voice-acting.

 

[Deleted member 3325933]

probably an oversight since no one uses SubscribeStar

Now Ginger thinks I am "No one".

 

[Turret]

Is this even possible? Removing "hot content" will be adversely affecting his game.

Not only that, a cynical person would say "what hot content"? His so called "hot" teasers are the heights of stuff you could include in the Sesame Street, completely harmless especially seen from a German perspective. Fracking afternoon shows on German TV are hotter than this "hot" overpriced drivel L&P considers hot teasers!
As for hot scenes in AWAM proper, there are few and more important, they are borderline harmless too. Sometimes I think L&P considers Vanilla Sex close to Deviancy with his primadonna posts.

Free Pass has two devs. After Choices and Stella, who does a lot of the scriptwork and the voice-acting.

Thanks you for the correction! But since we discussed the render artwork, we could still include Free Pass, since it is done by AfterChoices alone. Script and VA is important too, but even then Free Pass´ artwork is done quicker than AWAMs.

 

[Bane71]

Is this even possible? Removing "hot content" will be adversely affecting his game.

We all see that L&P stands out somewhat from other developers, so I think he can do it.

Therefore, I hope that everyone will comply with the L&P requirement.

But I also think that it would be very wrong of him if this happens. And first of all, the game itself will suffer.

With an approach like that of L&P, he needs to be careful when choosing his previews, and not put forward such requirements.

 

[tigers]

Was that Ellie or someone else?

Elie

 

[tigers]

I suppose it's not worth discussing because the L&P is threatening to remove "hot content" from the future storyline of the game if we discuss a teaser here.

I think this is not correct, but let's respect the author and fulfill his request.

No, he simply stated that he will not post 'hot teasers' if this is leaked. First, the teaser isnt hot. Its meh.
Second, he cant remove 'hot content' from his game since it will diminish the game's quality, he only said he will not post teasers.

 

[Deleted member 1023239]

Thanks you for the correction! But since we discussed the render artwork, we could still include Free Pass, since it is done by AfterChoices alone. Script and VA is important too, but even then Free Pass´ artwork is done quicker than AWAMs.

unfortunately Free Pass MC is less attractive if compared to our sophia, and she had no kids, no sam nor zach

 

[PietruccioTheHilander]

I'm tempted to pay $ 30 just to put the teaser here and see what happens

 

[Alley_Cat]

unfortunately Free Pass MC is less attractive if compared to our sophia, and she had no kids, no sam nor zach

I believe Andrew is meant to be the Sam/Zac in Free Pass

 

[Turret]

We all see that L&P stands out somewhat from other developers, so I think he can do it.
Therefore, I hope that everyone will comply with the L&P requirement.
But I also think that it would be very wrong of him if this happens. And first of all, the game itself will suffer.
With an approach like that of L&P, he needs to be careful when choosing his previews, and not put forward such requirements.

As I wrote above, what "hot content"? I am German myself and I can tell you 95% of our compatriots would not consider the stuff L&P produces (both regular game and especially the "hot" teasers) as hot. Even most of our religious hardliners would consider what we call jokingly "Blümchensex" as hotter than L%P´s "hot" content.

If L&P seriously considers his "hot" teasers hot, then he has a seriously skewed concept of hot, at least from a German perspective. Only our nutjobs and the hardline religious muslims in Germany would consider such teasers hot! His teasers are mega-harmless and nearly saying nothing about the future storyline! Calling these teasers hot or revealing is false advertising.

One thing L&P, going by his official posts, has reached perfection in, is Selbstbeweihräucherung akin to Gumdrop. He adopted the same pompous, "I start wanking as soon as I see myself in a mirror" tone in his newer posts as Gumdrop does and did. And their teasers are really similar! Only for patrons, expensive, overhyped and completely harmless and unrevealing contrary to the drivel their creators posted about them.

 

[Jibmeister]

I'm tempted to pay $ 30 just to put the teaser here and see what happens

I have the teaser and curious at the same time to see what happens if it is posted. BTW its not a HOT teaser.