VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.215f] [Lust & Passion]

[Talcum Powder]

I feel it will be out by mid October

I have removed the festival of bullshit and recalibrated everything using my updated weights (giving more weight to P&T and less to rendering) and going back through Lord_Xanatos 's progress reports since early July.

	Pct Complete	Factor	Pct of Update
Created Scenes	55%	55%	30.25%
Rendered Scenes	50%	25%	12.50%
Art edited with PS	15%	5%	0.75%
Programming & Translation	0%	15%	0.00%
Total Pct of Update Completed			43.50%
Start Date			7/5/2021
Festival of Bullshit (excuses)			0
Bullshit Days Consumed so far			0
Current # Days of Production (less BS consumed)			54
Days remaining in Festival of Bullshit			0
Estimated Completion Date			11/6/2021

Early to mid-November is what this very basic model is predicting. I still think we're in for a slowdown of some sort that will push this to December, we'll see.

 

[Talcum Powder]

Unpopular opinion: Sophia's dress fucking rules and anybody who talks shit about it should be forced to wear it in a biker bar.

Do I get a free pass if I wore almost that exact same romper at a biker bar in Laramie, Wyoming in the mid 90's? If so then the dress is fucking dumb. If I don't get credit for that then it's just meh.

 

[ancienregimele]

Yes, possible, the outfit may scream it. But Sophia has not been described that way in the whole game and she doesn't think that way about herself.
Who is actually to blame for the outfit debacle? The developer, the player or Sophia? It's just another pigeon or handbag or duel problem. None of this has anything to do with realism. Or do we think it is realistic that the real world will experience such a sexual whirlwind within 30 days.
Monty Python's saying fits very well.

It's the Dev. I love the pigeons, they're part of a realistic cityscape. I didn't participate in the handbag debate, (much...at least not here) but the outfit......*%£**$# hell! I'm guessing that L&P had no doubt that it would be selected, given his fanbase but that it would be fun to see, via the poll, how well the totally suitable rock chick chic outfit would fare.

Now that realism has been jetissoned completely, along with "taste & class," I find myself still curious going forward to see just how bad things will become.

 

[ancienregimele]

Unpopular opinion: Sophia's dress fucking rules and anybody who talks shit about it should be forced to wear it in a biker bar.

Bikers, in a bar, on a beach, or in many other places, wouldn't leave that "dress" on most individuals, male or female. It doesn't fucking rule, it fucking well sucks lemons.

 

[mulerider]

Do I get a free pass if I wore almost that exact same romper at a biker bar in Laramie, Wyoming in the mid 90's? If so then the dress is fucking dumb. If I don't get credit for that then it's just meh.

if you wore it in laramie, they would just think your a stray sheep

 

[Poser_Voyeur]

Her internal monologues at the last Sam event were pretty straightforward in terms of her affection for Sam. She ended up hoping that he saw her masturbating. She admitted that in a different world, under different circumstances, Sam and Sophia could be a couple. Disregarding the fact that the choice of clothing does not suit the event, it is not as if it would be unusual under these circumstances that Sophia does not wear a bra. She WANTS Sam to see her that way even when she feels guilty about her behavior.

But that's why the other outfit was SO much better!! Firstly it better suited the venue and the likely crowd in attendance.
Secondly she had that mini leather jacket which made it initially look acceptable and would nt call attention to herself.
But if Sophia got some alone time with Same she could have easily slipped off the mini leather jacket revealing what I hope was a strap boob tube underneath. That way she would get the best of both worlds, she can make it clear just to Sam when she wants to.

 

[hzjujk]

It's the Dev. I love the pigeons, they're part of a realistic cityscape. I didn't participate in the handbag debate, (much...at least not here) but the outfit......*%£**$# hell! I'm guessing that L&P had no doubt that it would be selected, given his fanbase but that it would be fun to see, via the poll, how well the totally suitable rock chick chic outfit would fare.

Now that realism has been jetissoned completely, along with "taste & class," I find myself still curious going forward to see just how bad things will become.

It's a porn game. In the real world, choices for story progression would be limited only by our preferences, our life experiences, and our imaginations. Here in the game we can only choose which path to choose and which to ignore because we cannot identify with it at all. I wouldn't say that taste and class have gone overboard yet. Many fetishes are served here. And sometimes it suits our taste and sometimes it doesn't. We both sometimes argue about the subject of "blackmail" which for me has nothing to do with taste / class and realism. And yet I admit that the 3rd Aiden event, except for the part with Aiden himself, showed taste and class. We will never like the story as a whole, but in my opinion individual events stand out incredibly from the mass of games. If this is also the case in the future, the game will keep my "valuable" rating.

 

[Deleted member 3325933]

It's the Dev. I love the pigeons, they're part of a realistic cityscape. I didn't participate in the handbag debate, (much...at least not here) but the outfit......*%£**$# hell! I'm guessing that L&P had no doubt that it would be selected, given his fanbase but that it would be fun to see, via the poll, how well the totally suitable rock chick chic outfit would fare.

Now that realism has been jetissoned completely, along with "taste & class," I find myself still curious going forward to see just how bad things will become.

hzjujk
Yes, possible, the outfit may scream it. But Sophia has not been described that way in the whole game and she doesn't think that way about herself.
Who is actually to blame for the outfit debacle? The developer, the player or Sophia? It's just another pigeon or handbag or duel problem. None of this has anything to do with realism. Or do we think it is realistic that the real world will experience such a sexual whirlwind within 30 days.
Monty Python's saying fits very well.

Which one?

 

[ancienregimele]

It's a porn game. In the real world, choices for story progression would be limited only by our preferences, our life experiences, and our imaginations. Here in the game we can only choose which path to choose and which to ignore because we cannot identify with it at all. I wouldn't say that taste and class have gone overboard yet. Many fetishes are served here. And sometimes it suits our taste and sometimes it doesn't. We both sometimes argue about the subject of "blackmail" which for me has nothing to do with taste / class and realism. And yet I admit that the 3rd Aiden event, except for the part with Aiden himself, showed taste and class. We will never like the story as a whole, but in my opinion individual events stand out incredibly from the mass of games. If this is also the case in the future, the game will keep my "valuable" rating.

There will never be a game that is ideal for everybody & that we agree on. One of the big attractions with AWAM, for me & as you say, has been the ability to avoid, through decision making & choices, paths & parts that are not to an individual's, (in this case my own) taste. This & the top quality renders have kept me playing for 3+ years but there was also a veneer of realism that required no more suspension of disbelief than the average movie or TV show. I considered this to be one of L&P's greatest achievements & if not a USP, at least a pretty rare selling point (RSP?). What I can't understand is why he would voluntarily abandon this approach.

Aside from being curious about the potential for more deterioration, I also have to hope that the Dev gets back to his semi-realistic ways & doesn't let the rot set in.

 

[Deleted member 3325933]

if you wore it in laramie, they would just think your a stray sheep

Better than Fallujah. Stray sheep .... ugh!

 

[Talcum Powder]

if you wore it in laramie, they would just think your a stray sheep

They did. The shears aren't as rough as you might think.

 

[Deleted member 3325933]

But that's why the other outfit was SO much better!! Firstly it better suited the venue and the likely crowd in attendance.
Secondly she had that mini leather jacket which made it initially look acceptable and would nt call attention to herself.
But if Sophia got some alone time with Same she could have easily slipped off the mini leather jacket revealing what I hope was a strap boob tube underneath. That way she would get the best of both worlds, she can make it clear just to Sam when she wants to.

Yup, my exact thoughts many posts back.

 

[Deleted member 3325933]

There will never be a game that is ideal for everybody & that we agree on. One of the big attractions with AWAM, for me & as you say, has been the ability to avoid, through decision making & choices, paths & parts that are not to an individual's, (in this case my own) taste. This & the top quality renders have kept me playing for 3+ years but there was also a veneer of realism that required no more suspension of disbelief than the average movie or TV show. I considered this to be one of L&P's greatest achievements & if not a USP, at least a pretty rare selling point (RSP?). What I can't understand is why he would voluntarily abandon this approach.

Aside from being curious about the potential for more deterioration, I also have to hope that the Dev gets back to his semi-realistic ways & doesn't let the rot set in.

Unfortunately, I think he is on the downward slope. Granted the slope, like his production rate, is incredibly low. His writing is what will save him and I believe he has already shot his wad on that feature.

I believe he is already tiring of the game. The concept of completing this is not the least realistic, as we have all discussed many times, of an 18+ year run. I know I won't be around for it. How many will still be here for PD 16? I ignore the spoiler elements of what is supposed to be happening that day but, that is in like four and a half years - FOR 3 Days!

Are we sure he is not burned out already after four years. SNC took a dive to complete Foot of the Mountain (Just a huge cut scene was his solution.). Is L&P that far away from the same. That could explain why he is so reactive to any criticism. Meh!

 

[CSK92]

I have removed the festival of bullshit and recalibrated everything using my updated weights (giving more weight to P&T and less to rendering) and going back through Lord_Xanatos 's progress reports since early July.

	Pct Complete	Factor	Pct of Update
Created Scenes	55%	55%	30.25%
Rendered Scenes	50%	25%	12.50%
Art edited with PS	15%	5%	0.75%
Programming & Translation	0%	15%	0.00%
Total Pct of Update Completed			43.50%
Start Date			7/5/2021
Festival of Bullshit (excuses)			0
Bullshit Days Consumed so far			0
Current # Days of Production (less BS consumed)			54
Days remaining in Festival of Bullshit			0
Estimated Completion Date			11/6/2021

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Early to mid-November is what this very basic model is predicting. I still think we're in for a slowdown of some sort that will push this to December, we'll see.

I hate it, but agree. If he cant hit Thanksgiving then look to mid to late December. The BS will come.

 

[Bane71]

last post from patron,which doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
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So there is your answer

This message from L&P confirms my guess about which I spoke earlier: https://f95zone.to/threads/a-wife-and-mother-v0-130-lust-passion.5944/post-6456605
The concert, the performance of the band is not an onovny event, it is only a prelude to what should happen a little later. Therefore, the rocker outfit is not so important. And besides, it's really not natural for Sofia to dress up in a rock outfit, she is an adult, stylish woman.

Moreover, I absolutely do not understand why there are so many objections and disputes about Sofia's outfit for the concert?
If you do not focus on your preferences and objectively try to evaluate the two options, then it is quite obvious that the rocker outfit is more suitable for Patricia than for Sofia! After all, Patricia, firstly, is younger, and secondly, she has a more playful character than Sofia.

As a result, it so happened that we see part of the proposed outfit for Sofia on Patricia.

I also want to draw your attention to the fact that the criticism of L&P coming from visitors to this forum is very often too categorical!!!
Criticism sounds like the plot of the game should follow the logic of the critic, and not the author's intentions, and L&P should certainly listen and make corrections!!!

My friends, this is our big mistake and bias towards the author!
Firstly, because we do not know the whole idea of the author and what should happen in the future in the game! After all, what is happening is just a small step for a big ladder, which should lead the heroes of the game to certain decisions and events!
Secondly, you must agree, friends, that each of us has his own logic, different from the opinion of another person! Therefore, it is quite obvious that no matter how the author builds events and routes in the game, he will never be able to satisfy each of us 100%!

Therefore, my friends, I urge everyone to somewhat reduce the degree of disputes and discontent, discard resentments and disappointments and just enjoy those moments of the game that you personally like!

 

[Bane71]

Exactly my point from an earlier post (though you probably said it better). After the task and the side job where does she go with Sam. She actually likes him so there must be something happening or his path crashes. Here she is screaming for his attention. Will she just be a face in the crowd for him (he knows she is there) until the end when she moves to the front for his reward. That is the question. Where does she take this? Does not matter what she is wearing that is the question. where does she take Sam and where does Sam then take her. Granted, this will at most be Pixil lite.

I believe that many people are concerned about the questions that you are asking.
I do not know exactly what will happen, but when I described to L&P my vision of the events of this evening, he told me that I am not so far from what will happen.
If L&P is not joking and laughing at me, then believe me, the events of this evening will be very interesting!

I'm sorry, I won't say anything to the point, it will be a completely unnecessary spoiler that will only spoil the impression of the upcoming update. But one thing can be said with certainty that it is important not only what is happening, but also the text that describes the events! Unfortunately, it is an almost impossible task to quickly write a great text, and we all constantly put pressure on L&P and demand to speed up the creation process, thereby creating an insoluble contradiction for it and getting a not so high-quality product for ourselves!

 

[Bill_Buttlicker]

This message from L&P confirms my guess about which I spoke earlier: https://f95zone.to/threads/a-wife-and-mother-v0-130-lust-passion.5944/post-6456605
The concert, the performance of the band is not an onovny event, it is only a prelude to what should happen a little later. Therefore, the rocker outfit is not so important. And besides, it's really not natural for Sofia to dress up in a rock outfit, she is an adult, stylish woman.

Moreover, I absolutely do not understand why there are so many objections and disputes about Sofia's outfit for the concert?
If you do not focus on your preferences and objectively try to evaluate the two options, then it is quite obvious that the rocker outfit is more suitable for Patricia than for Sofia! After all, Patricia, firstly, is younger, and secondly, she has a more playful character than Sofia.

As a result, it so happened that we see part of the proposed outfit for Sofia on Patricia.

I also want to draw your attention to the fact that the criticism of L&P coming from visitors to this forum is very often too categorical!!!
Criticism sounds like the plot of the game should follow the logic of the critic, and not the author's intentions, and L&P should certainly listen and make corrections!!!

My friends, this is our big mistake and bias towards the author!
Firstly, because we do not know the whole idea of the author and what should happen in the future in the game! After all, what is happening is just a small step for a big ladder, which should lead the heroes of the game to certain decisions and events!
Secondly, you must agree, friends, that each of us has his own logic, different from the opinion of another person! Therefore, it is quite obvious that no matter how the author builds events and routes in the game, he will never be able to satisfy each of us 100%!

Therefore, my friends, I urge everyone to somewhat reduce the degree of disputes and discontent, discard resentments and disappointments and just enjoy those moments of the game that you personally like!

Agree. As for me so far I've been satisfied with the VN for 93.4% of the time. That's good enough for me.

 

[Alley_Cat]

Agree. As for me so far I've been satisfied with the VN for 93.4% of the time. That's good enough for me.

How did you arrive at 93.4%? That's a rather specific number

 

[Bill_Buttlicker]

How did you arrive at 93.4%? That's a rather specific number

I liked the addition of the bums in the park being used in a way to push Dylan and Sophia closer together. However I feel there was a missed opportunity for Dylan to also protect Ellie and get closer with her. Maybe Ellie and her girlfriends are working out in the park. The bums start harassing her and Dylan comes along and puts a stop to them the same way. Because of that it wasn't quite enough to make it a full percentage point of approval so I gave it 0.4%

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

This message from L&P confirms my guess about which I spoke earlier: https://f95zone.to/threads/a-wife-and-mother-v0-130-lust-passion.5944/post-6456605
The concert, the performance of the band is not an on ovny event, it is only a prelude to what should happen a little later. Therefore, the rocker outfit is not so important. And besides, it's really not natural for Sofia to dress up in a rock outfit, she is an adult, stylish woman.

Moreover, I absolutely do not understand why there are so many objections and disputes about Sofia's outfit for the concert?
If you do not focus on your preferences and objectively try to evaluate the two options, then it is quite obvious that the rocker outfit is more suitable for Patricia than for Sofia! After all, Patricia, firstly, is younger, and secondly, she has a more playful character than Sofia.

As a result, it so happened that we see part of the proposed outfit for Sofia on Patricia.

I also want to draw your attention to the fact that the criticism of L&P coming from visitors to this forum is very often too categorical!!!
Criticism sounds like the plot of the game should follow the logic of the critic, and not the author's intentions, and L&P should certainly listen and make corrections!!!

My friends, this is our big mistake and bias towards the author!
Firstly, because we do not know the whole idea of the author and what should happen in the future in the game! After all, what is happening is just a small step for a big ladder, which should lead the heroes of the game to certain decisions and events!
Secondly, you must agree, friends, that each of us has his own logic, different from the opinion of another person! Therefore, it is quite obvious that no matter how the author builds events and routes in the game, he will never be able to satisfy each of us 100%!

Therefore, my friends, I urge everyone to somewhat reduce the degree of disputes and discontent, discard resentments and disappointments and just enjoy those moments of the game that you personally like!

Bane, I will have to disagree with your post about the classy and rocky attire. Now it could be true this event may come in two parts, and the second part could be after the concert (I'm speculating here), but if it is true and there is the second part of this event that could explain the classy attire, then why did L&P make this post.

Spoiler: L&P - Event Dress Quote.

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Now I agree with a part of this statement that the polls may not choose the best option, but this also tells me he was second-guessing his choice of the classy outfit, and he might have made a mistake in choosing it as an option. And there could be the possibility that he's creating the second part to justify the classy attire (Once again, speculation).

If he truly thought that the classy attire was the right outfit for this event based on the events that will happen and her wardrobe taste, as he is the only one who knows about the event, he shouldn't have made this comment in the first place. However, since he made a change-up from the first poll about the first outfit with Aiden's 2nd task (Yellow Sundress), I think it was the correct choice to go with the poll vote, so it didn't set a precedent that future polls don't matter at all when voting for something in the novel. So, IMO, I think the classy attire was a bad option considering the event at play.