I like to think that it's Ivan's truck & that they're just coincidently passing by....
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Agreed! The best parts of AWAM have been how she is slowly and realistically drawn toward her sexual freedom. Not sure so much now.
I think we're missing each other's points here. Biker gangs are often made up of initiated members who have opted for a life outside the norms of society. There are all kinds of bike gangs & the members come from all walks of life but there is no way for us to know what kind of biker is in the bar, if indeed this is the venue, which because the van is parked outside, I assume it is.
Bands like Sam's don't have roadies to cart their gear & set it up, so parking close makes sense. Some gangs contain members who would voluntarily help with the band's gear, while others have people who would sneer at these "amateurs." Some gangs have members who would escort the women politely into the bar & 'look after them.' (That would include fending off Sam, once the gang had staked its' claim. Good luck to anyone who might try to speak to them, let alone chat them up). Some gang members I know of do charity work, while another I worked with killed a rival gang member with a sawn-off shotgun & served years for it.
What I'm saying & have said elsewhere, is that bike gangs are not predictable. There are no more "typical" bikers, than there are typical priests. One thing that tends to be true is that they see themselves as outsiders & not constrained by societal norms. Some are gentlemen, some are absolutely scary.
What I do know is this. You do not walk into a bar wearing a romper suit. Full stop, period.
The real question: Is this the Bar? We do not know it for sure. It is a bar! There are many bars and venues in most beach areas. Most share the parking lots. So, this may not be the bar just L&P messing with us for a laugh.
Now, that being said, Is this a real biker bar? If it is, as has been pointed out, they don't back their bikes in. This is not hinting at a hard core biker establishment. Not the Hell's Angels, Diablos, Bandidos, or Nomads, etc, etc... . So could it be a biker bar for all the rich people who like to get the 40k Harley, a couple of stylish Tats, and then go to a bar with their friends and act like bikers while sipping chardonnay or Glenfiddich. These places do exist and Sam and his band could get in there by contacts or just reasonable skill. Now in this case the event would be as many previously theorized. It is not a fight club on steroids it is just a place for the wanna bees to rub elbows with other wanna bees.
If it is a real biker bar. Sam will know exactly where his guitar is. Walking may be an issue but he will have his guitar. The rest of his band, meh! Patricia will be busy backing her and Sophia out before they become the dessert for the patrons. This would be bad juju. So not likely L&P will take this path.
Ergo, I see two options: One; He is having a good laugh messing with us as this is just another bar in the area. Two; This is not a real biker bar but a bar where middle and upper class people come to share their love of motorcycles and play act a bit.
If I am wrong, and he is trying a real biker bar, he is definitely a few fries short of a happy meal. Just Sayin'!
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If you pay attention, you will notice that my first post after the appearance of this render speaks of my excitement, probably for the very reasons that you have described.
But then I calmed down, because I myself have repeatedly called realism in AWAM conditional, after all, this is not a pure novel, but a porn game with a realistic plot. Therefore, we all need to understand that the realism of this plot is quite conditional.
All of us, fans of AWAM, are experiencing to one degree or another because each of us is immersed in the story and is waiting for the continuation. This gives L&P the opportunity to manipulate and twist the intrigue to some extremes, as in this case.
And despite the fact that someone likes it, and someone does not, L&P does everything right, otherwise we would not have discussed with you and were bored perceiving AWAM as many other porn games.
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The thing is everyone, at some point something has to happen. I know we complain about the sense of realism slipping away while the corruption and pacing increase, but maybe it's an impossible balancing act. This game has been in development for 3+ years, and even the most hardcore fans will admit that it's getting tiresome. Many of us have complained about the pacing and that the story requires that Sophia's corruption gains momentum. And now that we're seeing it on PD 12, we're concerned that we're losing the sense of realism. It all feels unfair because we're putting ourselves in a lose-lose situation. In-game we're a week away from Sophia having her first extramarital affair...(sexy) stuff needs to start happening pronto in order for her to make that leap in fewer than 7 days. Meanwhile, we're only getting (MAYBE) two updates a year. Do you really want to play a game with the pacing of PD 9 or 10 while only getting 2 updates a year? I don't want that.
At some point this is a game, a sexy visual novel, but a game just the same. Putting aside the tutoring side job for a second, at some point this is a game where sex is going to happen- and that's going to include unrealistic sex. Maybe we just need to be more liberal about suspending our disbelief about things like biker bars and pigeons. I know that I'm still going to be critical of some things, and I will always hate the romper, but we adjust our expectations between pacing and realism. Without time jumps, a (roughly) 30-day window to devolve into a woman who has sex with her children is already insane. So there's an implicit understanding that some wild stuff is going to happen and that we just need to roll with it.
At some point this is a game, a sexy visual novel, but a game just the same. Putting aside the tutoring side job for a second, at some point this is a game where sex is going to happen- and that's going to include unrealistic sex. Maybe we just need to be more liberal about suspending our disbelief about things like biker bars and pigeons. I know that I'm still going to be critical of some things, and I will always hate the romper, but we adjust our expectations between pacing and realism. Without time jumps, a (roughly) 30-day window to devolve into a woman who has sex with her children is already insane. So there's an implicit understanding that some wild stuff is going to happen and that we just need to roll with it.
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When I talk about conditional realism in AWAM, I mean that Sofia will not show such a focus:
Of course, we will not see such a trick from Sofia, but she will undress more than once, and not only undress, but also have sex with some girls, women, guys and men, she will probably participate in group sex - that's what I call realism in AWAM!
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Of course, we will not see such a trick from Sofia, but she will undress more than once, and not only undress, but also have sex with some girls, women, guys and men, she will probably participate in group sex - that's what I call realism in AWAM!
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What did I just watch? I don't know about her stripping abilities but I DEFINITELY want her magic skills!
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At least we already know that Aiden won't be there! It's already good. 
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If this was intended to be a bar for real bikers, I hope L&P thinks again & makes it more as you've outlined. I have my doubts as to whether even the erudite L&P would have thought about the backing in of the parked bikes. Who knows but I know I never thought of it. It would make sense for the place to be full of weekend pleasure bikers, given that Sam's not stupid & must have checked the place out before inviting Sophia.
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Interesting to see the first post from his Subscribestar page, since some of the more interesting questions are problematic to ask on his Patreon page.At least we already know that Aiden won't be there! It's already good.
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There's no doubting that the realism is conditional but for me it's starting to dissipate & I believe that's because L&P recognises who his majority paying audience are & caters for them accordingly. [It makes good economic sense, I know. It's also becoming detrimental IMO, to the story]. How many adults would vote for a romper suit as suitable attire for a bar? I suggest not many. How many of his pre-teen & teen patrons have had any dealings with actual fully-fledged adult bikers & would a sight of the bar have influenced their vote? I think not. I won't list any more questions because it would be boring & one thing we obviously agree on is that AWAM is not boring. Even this thread isn't boring....I think I hear some disagreement with that.... no, wait, it's just a facepalmer....with nothing to say....now that's boring.
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Yeah you right i have always been a huge fan of awam in the first place. I really do like to discuss the plot, but it seems the characters i care most dont care, such as the movers and aiden.I believe Alley_Cat has already answered your question, I can only confirm that L&P's words referred to MC. The tramp is not an MC, besides, the fight between Dylan and the tramp can hardly be qualified as violence.
By the way, I want to note that you have been on the forum for a long time, but you do not communicate often, I am very pleased that you paid attention to my message.
I wish you a pleasant conversation!
I was thinking about this & realised I've lost track of what the actual timespan of the story is meant to be. We're supposed to get 30 days but in San Alejo more time than this is supposed to have gone by. Still, it's bound to be a relatively short time to have sex with several men & women plus the family.
I'm all for some wild stuff, the debate revolves around what, when & who.
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If the loader Ivan and his comrades are your favorites, then you should know that they will still appear. Your second favorite, Aiden, is constantly in the game, Sofia performs 12 tasks that he gives her, he has a lot of events with Sofia, in my opinion! Therefore, you have something to discuss here!
For example, the beginning of the next day, Sofia must complete Aiden's 4th task. We have discussed a lot here and have not come to any conclusion that this can be, because the events will take place at school, at a literature lesson.
Do you have any suggestions on this?
I've always defended Aiden & both the blackmail storylines. I've defended them in some depth, if you were to read previous posts. They're not popular here but I was never going to win any popularity contests anyway, so I don't care. I'm only here representing myself & I like blackmail, as long as it's fictional.
Ivan & the movers, (great name for a 60s beat group), I can take or leave.
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We don't know because: 1) L&P wont tell us, and 2) it keeps changing anyway. It was a month and a half with the Coach Sophia storyline, but since that's been moved to DLC, it's now back to 37 days.
There's no reason to believe it will stay at 37 days and there wont be time jumps in the future. Depending on what task #12 is, there could easily be another time jump then, for example.
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I have been over 50 for a long time and I think that a rocker outfit is not for Sofia!
There is such a saying after all: as they say, they do not argue about tastes!
But to be more realistic in our choice, we had to have a clearer idea of the place to which Sofia is heading. Agree, our idea of a bar is very remote, I think that's why we argued so hotly, but pointlessly.
This is indeed an interesting discussion with points well made from all the contributors. To be fair to the romper advocates, they were asked to vote before actually seeing the venue. I wonder how many would change their vote now? It also seemed to me that the vote may have been compelled by the ease of unwrapping the Sophia bar for her performance after the band's performance at the bar.
What is also interesting to me is the mood conveyed by the band members who did see the venue before they arrived. They carry closed body language with chins and mouth corners down. The fellow next to Sam has the feel of a lead singer who looks much like a Morten Harket with 'tude. This quartet either believes that they are tuff guys, or portray themselves this way for the environment they are now in. Either way it conveys a darker feel (as mentioned before) than what has been seen since the subway scene. Even the color choice for the band's vehicles portends a dark scene ahead.
While performing in Bob's Country Bunker the band had better play some CCR! Even if they do it feels like the performance will be abruptly interrupted. Is it possible that Sam will need to make a hasty retreat from the bar with Sophia in tow escaping in his Chevy Nova (that he thinks is a Firebird)? This could be a literary vehicle that L&P plans to use to get Sophia into Sam's vehicle. Does anyone else have any ideas for this possible twist?
What is also interesting to me is the mood conveyed by the band members who did see the venue before they arrived. They carry closed body language with chins and mouth corners down. The fellow next to Sam has the feel of a lead singer who looks much like a Morten Harket with 'tude. This quartet either believes that they are tuff guys, or portray themselves this way for the environment they are now in. Either way it conveys a darker feel (as mentioned before) than what has been seen since the subway scene. Even the color choice for the band's vehicles portends a dark scene ahead.
While performing in Bob's Country Bunker the band had better play some CCR! Even if they do it feels like the performance will be abruptly interrupted. Is it possible that Sam will need to make a hasty retreat from the bar with Sophia in tow escaping in his Chevy Nova (that he thinks is a Firebird)? This could be a literary vehicle that L&P plans to use to get Sophia into Sam's vehicle. Does anyone else have any ideas for this possible twist?