VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.215f] [Lust & Passion]

[Leldorin]

I’m pretty sure that nothing that happens at the Sam event will influence what happens at the Cathy event.

-Let’s imagine the patreons choose the rocky outfit.
You’re not obligated to follow the Sam path when you go to Cathy house so there’s would be no reason for Sophia to show up dressed like in that outfit.
For me, it leads to 2 “conclusions”:

-Either Sophia goes home to change her outfit between the events or L&p will have to make 2 variations of the Cathy event. One with the rocky outfit and one with a classic one.
Knowing the author I wouldn’t rule out the 2nd conclusion but I’d say the 1st one is more likely.

-You might say that the romper is a different type of outfit and he wouldn’t have to make 2 different types of outfit for the Cathy event (which I would reply that it’s a ridiculous outfit regardless if it’s to go to a bar or visit a friend in my eyes, but that’s beyond the point).
My point is that most of the time, what happens in one storyline doesn’t affect another.
There are some exceptions where you have to follow one route to keep going with another : Aiden/Alyssa or Aiden/Dylan or with Ellie and Patricia.
But most of the time what happen with one character doesn’t change what happens with an other one :

-Choosing or not to jerk off 2 kids in the 2nd part time job ?
Doesn’t affect Sophia behavior in the following events.
-Having Sophia assaulted by the tugs and /or Neil or not ? Doesn’t change anything in the short or long term in any other storyline.

-Collecting every filthy point possible and going for the “I want Sophia to fuck everybody route and playing the jogging event with Dylan ?
You end up with the same Sophia in this event as someone who only play the “perfect Dylan route”.

This is just an observation of how the game as been structured until now and not a criticism. After all if every event that we choose to participate or not should affect how Sophia behave in an other, it’s not 20 but more like 300 years to complete this game.

My guess is that unless he choose, for whatever reason, to tie the Sam and Cathy route, nothing that happens with Sam will affect the Cathy event. At best we will have Sophia thinking something like :
“(Let’s forget about that for now)”.

‘This is just my prediction and even then I ‘m not 100% sure.
After all he has chosen to postpone the Coach Sophia storyline but one update later he’s introducing a new one with the homeless shelter storylines...
So who knows what he’ll do for the Cathy event.

 

[Saip12c]

will he surprise everyone and take a reasonable amount of time developing this version?
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well merry christmas I guess

Depends on patreons response!

 

[Sabertooth__]

Also the black janitor...
Our innocent girl Sophia has seen a lot of dicks already huh?

I have mentioned this before about how we have seen only dicks in this game. And as many dicks as Sophia has seen, we the players have as well. An uncomfortable sight indeed for straight guys, hopefully the woman playing atleast liked it.

As for the dick count as far as I remember - Liam, Janitor, Dylan, Aiden, Two Apostles, Logan and his 2 friends, the sauna guys on day 19, Deshawn, felt Bennett's dick, the two old men, Neil but from a distance, Zac.

 

[JagHond]

Also the black janitor...
Our innocent girl Sophia has seen a lot of dicks already huh?

Just "seen" may be not the proper term in her case, I guess.
But, for being very polite in any case's sake, let's put it this way, considering that strange hubby she chose...

With best regards.

 

[MaliPizdek]

btw i can't remember did Sopfia ever said something about her ex boyfriends before she married Liam?
did she had a lot of them, was Liam her first?

it would be kinda cool if a plot from that new tv show Sex/Life comes into play

 

[xxxorro]

I’m pretty sure that nothing that happens at the Sam event will influence what happens at the Cathy event.

-Let’s imagine the patreons choose the rocky outfit.
You’re not obligated to follow the Sam path when you go to Cathy house so there’s would be no reason for Sophia to show up dressed like in that outfit.
For me, it leads to 2 “conclusions”:

-Either Sophia goes home to change her outfit between the events or L&p will have to make 2 variations of the Cathy event. One with the rocky outfit and one with a classic one.
Knowing the author I wouldn’t rule out the 2nd conclusion but I’d say the 1st one is more likely.

-You might say that the romper is a different type of outfit and he wouldn’t have to make 2 different types of outfit for the Cathy event (which I would reply that it’s a ridiculous outfit regardless if it’s to go to a bar or visit a friend in my eyes, but that’s beyond the point).
My point is that most of the time, what happens in one storyline doesn’t affect another.
There are some exceptions where you have to follow one route to keep going with another : Aiden/Alyssa or Aiden/Dylan or with Ellie and Patricia.
But most of the time what happen with one character doesn’t change what happens with an other one :

-Choosing or not to jerk off 2 kids in the 2nd part time job ?
Doesn’t affect Sophia behavior in the following events.
-Having Sophia assaulted by the tugs and /or Neil or not ? Doesn’t change anything in the short or long term in any other storyline.

-Collecting every filthy point possible and going for the “I want Sophia to fuck everybody route and playing the jogging event with Dylan ?
You end up with the same Sophia in this event as someone who only play the “perfect Dylan route”.

This is just an observation of how the game as been structured until now and not a criticism. After all if every event that we choose to participate or not should affect how Sophia behave in an other, it’s not 20 but more like 300 years to complete this game.

My guess is that unless he choose, for whatever reason, to tie the Sam and Cathy route, nothing that happens with Sam will affect the Cathy event. At best we will have Sophia thinking something like :
“(Let’s forget about that for now)”.

‘This is just my prediction and even then I ‘m not 100% sure.
After all he has chosen to postpone the Coach Sophia storyline but one update later he’s introducing a new one with the homeless shelter storylines...
So who knows what he’ll do for the Cathy event.

Oh I completely forgot that Sam's concert is optional! (boolean day18_Sam_invites_Sophia_to_his_performance)

I agree with you that the two events will be independent and he usually "resets" Sophia after each event.
They could also be independent clothing-wise, Sophia can always go back home to change, this time I don't think she can fit a whole new set of dress and shoes in her tiny bag
Also, guys, remember that as far as we know, Sophia could be not aware of Cathy's event: accepting the 3rd task, only Liam knows that and, knowing him, it can happen that he will come down at the last minute to tell Sophia (e.g. the speculated interrupting call during Sam's event). Not saying that it will play out like that, we just don't have this information.

I think (and I hope) the two will be well independent and that the Cathy's event will happen regardless Sam's event (i.e. no choice to stay with Sam or go). Otherwise the entropy and the complexity will increase if the events are entangled.
And do not forget that, again as far as we know, Cathy's event **could** be different according to what happened in the dressing room and Sophia leaving or not for the task. Maybe only some dialogues/inner thoughts will reflect that, but we cannot, at the moment, rule out different paths according to GW or FW.

 

[Alley_Cat]

For the event with Sam, you need a minimum (either that she kisses him, a daring touch or show a part of her body).
Sam's delay in relation to the male gender (close to Sophia) must be brought up to standard.

Except the "standard" is minimal. She hasn't, and likely wont kiss Sam in the near future, like she hasn't properly kissed Dylan. He sneaked a kiss on the lips, which doesn't really count.

I have mentioned this before about how we have seen only dicks in this game. And as many dicks as Sophia has seen, we the players have as well. An uncomfortable sight indeed for straight guys, hopefully the woman playing atleast liked it.

As for the dick count as far as I remember - Liam, Janitor, Dylan, Aiden, Two Apostles, Logan and his 2 friends, the sauna guys on day 19, Deshawn, felt Bennett's dick, the two old men, Neil but from a distance, Zac.

Yeah, for a supposedly hetero game, really surprised how much sausage there is.

 

[Deleted member 3516371]

I don't like Aiden he's a bully

 

[Atton563]

I don't like Aiden he's a bully

Yes, yes he is.

 

[xxxorro]

It will be a pretty dull event if she doesn't interact with anyone at the bar. I guess you're right that she doesn't need to, but I think that's pretty unlikely. It would be the easiest outcome however for L&P since it would require the least amount of writing and rendering.

But I figure the only way Ivan or the movers will possibly have sex with Sophia is if you max out Sophia's corruption; at which points all bets are off.

However, there could be an Ellie angle to all of this since the movers took a liking to her immediately. If she's at the club with Sophia and Patricia, the movers may be more interested in Ellie than Sophia. That could cause some conflict.

Anyways though I'm just spitballing ideas. For all I know the movers aren't even at the bar. If they only exist to make one more appearance at the end of the game, then I don't understand why L&P would include them on the character poll.

About the movers.

We know that they only come back at the end as per L&P post.
As KillJoys said multiple times this could be the (bad) end of the FW route, with the marriage falling apart etc etc.

It's strange, though, that the same truck is in the teaser, it's difficult to think of an oversight considering how he cares about the details. If it is so, or just a coincidence (e.g. an enterprise with multiple similar trucks), ok false alarm.

Now, let's consider the alternative (just for the fun of speculation).
They will come back at end, likely to move out the family. Will there be more that just moving furnitures? Will they be another if not the final piece of the FW route, with Sophia at that point of the game completely corrupted?
***If this is the scenario***, for how the game is intended so far, I still find difficult to think that something happen in a snap of a finger the day of the move, no matter how Sophia is corrupted. Yes, there was an interaction at the very beginning, but it was still in the realm of "flirting".
So, ***under these premises***, what if the movers, but let's say just Ivan to make it simple, would make the sporadic appearance throughout the FW route, without playing any major role of course, but just to make him/them witnessing Sophia's corruption, with Sophia obviously aware of their presence during her actions and, maybe, progressively enjoying the little "game" (cf the art class)? Or even with a minimum of interaction but without them being the main part of the event.

For example, let's say at some point one of the tasks is going to happen in public (e.g. another bar or similar) and again one or all of them are there to see (and being seen by Sophia). Again nothing happen with them, but it will build up the erotic tension that could be then triggered at the end during the moving.

I don't know if you were thinking something like that.
To me it would make sense having something like that, again, under the hypothesis that they won't be just moving furnitures at the end. It's just that I hope that, even when we will be well down the road of the corruption, the events will still have some reasonable build up and it won't just collapse in a dull fuckfest like other games.

And I know that in part it contradicts what L&P said, but he may not have told the "whole truth" to avoid spoiling too much

 

[lockerxx]

Also the black janitor...
Our innocent girl Sophia has seen a lot of dicks already huh?

don´t´forgot Antonio

 

[lockerxx]

Really
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I still think L&P went a bit overboard with the length though, it's not erect and it's already half meter

About Sam, his father is quite well equipped, so we can't rule out that possibility.

i hope a Threesome with Aiden girlfriend. Jennifer

dat ass

 

[Deleted member 1536527]

Ok I just wanna point something out, (and not talking about any single person in particular) but what's with this "anti-young folks" sentiment I keep seeing popping up in this thread? Like settle down, I get it, you old fucks like your "mature" games with "realistic" plots looking at every leaf of a tree in the background and verifying if its pointing in the right direction according to the wind but jeez chill out with the superiority complex. Lets not pretend that you're any less degenerate than the rest of us fapping to 3d porn on a piracy website .

 

[Hlextor]

i hope a Threesome with Aiden girlfriend. Jennifer
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dat ass

I guess this is not a hope, you can count on it. L&P can offer all the possibilities of sexual pleasure/humiliations in the rest of the 9 tasks. It’s Sophia's dark path.

 

[AchedCroissant]

i hope a Threesome with Aiden girlfriend. Jennifer
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dat ass

Meh, Emma all day

 

[Deleted member 3325933]

For the event with Sam, you need a minimum (either that she kisses him, a daring touch or show a part of her body).
Sam's delay in relation to the male gender (close to Sophia) must be brought up to standard.

At the minimum hmmm... Maybe but, I would think there needs too be more to be continuing the forward momentum of the game not just Sam. I always come back to 'she likes Sam' and has even intimated that there could have be more if the world were different. So a kiss or a touch seems stagnant in my mind. Maybe just me.

 

[hzjujk]

About the movers.

We know that they only come back at the end as per L&P post.
As KillJoys said multiple times this could be the (bad) end of the FW route, with the marriage falling apart etc etc.

It's strange, though, that the same truck is in the teaser, it's difficult to think of an oversight considering how he cares about the details. If it is so, or just a coincidence (e.g. an enterprise with multiple similar trucks), ok false alarm.

Now, let's consider the alternative (just for the fun of speculation).
They will come back at end, likely to move out the family. Will there be more that just moving furnitures? Will they be another if not the final piece of the FW route, with Sophia at that point of the game completely corrupted?
***If this is the scenario***, for how the game is intended so far, I still find difficult to think that something happen in a snap of a finger the day of the move, no matter how Sophia is corrupted. Yes, there was an interaction at the very beginning, but it was still in the realm of "flirting".
So, ***under these premises***, what if the movers, but let's say just Ivan to make it simple, would make the sporadic appearance throughout the FW route, without playing any major role of course, but just to make him/them witnessing Sophia's corruption, with Sophia obviously aware of their presence during her actions and, maybe, progressively enjoying the little "game" (cf the art class)? Or even with a minimum of interaction but without them being the main part of the event.

For example, let's say at some point one of the tasks is going to happen in public (e.g. another bar or similar) and again one or all of them are there to see (and being seen by Sophia). Again nothing happen with them, but it will build up the erotic tension that could be then triggered at the end during the moving.

I don't know if you were thinking something like that.
To me it would make sense having something like that, again, under the hypothesis that they won't be just moving furnitures at the end. It's just that I hope that, even when we will be well down the road of the corruption, the events will still have some reasonable build up and it won't just collapse in a dull fuckfest like other games.

And I know that in part it contradicts what L&P said, but he may not have told the "whole truth" to avoid spoiling too much

If Liam doesn't screw up the shit, moving out of the house should be a pretty sad event for Sophia. I mean Sophia can't be so arrogant, hurtful and such a bitch without empathy that something happens to the movers on this day, at this event. It is possible that Sophia feels liberated, but in order to be horny at this moment, a complete change of character of this virtual person would be necessary. Ok, this is a porn game, you can expect something like that, but it's also a told story with a sometimes understandable emotional logic that shouldn't allow something like that.

 

[Deleted member 3325933]

If Liam doesn't screw up the shit, moving out of the house should be a pretty sad event for Sophia. I mean Sophia can't be so arrogant, hurtful and such a bitch without empathy that something happens to the movers on this day, at this event. It is possible that Sophia feels liberated, but in order to be horny at this moment, a complete change of character of this virtual person would be necessary. Ok, this is a porn game, you can expect something like that, but it's also a told story with a sometimes understandable emotional logic that shouldn't allow something like that.

It all depends on the path L&P takes her. Maybe she discovers Liam cheating and had continued gambling and blown more $$$. Maybe she has been pushed to a level of corruption she sees every relationship in only the basest form. The periodic throwing of Ivan in the background, she sees but does not interact, keeps reminding her of that first day and his interest, seeing her lingerie, whatever. At the end, as she is leaving Liam, she sees some revenge or just another man to torture for eternity with a one time liaison. That will be in about 18 years so..... .

There are many ways it can be spun even to the point of them just being the movers again.

 

[hzjujk]

It all depends on the path L&P takes her. Maybe she discovers Liam cheating and had continued gambling and blown more $$$. Maybe she has been pushed to a level of corruption she sees every relationship in only the basest form. The periodic throwing of Ivan in the background, she sees but does not interact, keeps reminding her of that first day and his interest, seeing her lingerie, whatever. At the end, as she is leaving Liam, she sees some revenge or just another man to torture for eternity with a one time liaison. That will be in about 18 years so..... .

There are many ways it can be spun even to the point of them just being the movers again.

I don't see that with Liam as the big villain on whom Sophia wants to take revenge. In this regard, I think L&P will make it difficult for us to pinpoint the culprit in Liam for the failure of the marriage. At best, we will get a few small incidents that explain Sophia's decisions, but by no means the big bang. At the end of the game, Sophia or the player will be mainly responsible for the end of the marriage.

 

[jason12359]

Sophia's face looks like she got a rhinoplasty done, but other things are good.