VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [P1 v0.152] [Lust & Passion]

[Talcum Powder]

You ask a very good question, and I will do my level best to answer what makes a render take as long as it does.
In the grossest of terms the time to render a scene is dependent upon the maps used in the scene. There are diffuse, specular, bump and normal maps. Normal maps are your best friend because they simulate textures that are not really there, and were not introduced until Gen 3. Each map is responsible for part of what you see (and don't see) on any surface on any object in the scene. Remaining in the realm of a simple explanation: The maps cover the polygons, and the more polygons covered by maps the longer the render time.
For example, I developed a Gen 1 scene on a beach with Gen 1 girls, then I put Gen 1 bikinis on them. The Gen 1 bikinis literally constituted 90% of the file size of the scene and rendering crashed every time after waiting hours. Removing the bikinis offered a scene I could render in less than 30 minutes. However, a nude beach scene was not my goal at the time.
As we progress in DAZ generations the tendency is to design with less polygons and use more maps that simulate a texture or effect (using more pixels). The kind of lighting also has an affect on render time. Low resource-heavy shaders can also mitigate some of the long render time.
Although the computer 'sees' the entire scene even if it is not in the view of the render and effects render time. However, I have rendered a multiple person scene in one angle in 17 minutes and the same scene from another angle took 1 hour and 45 minutes. There are other factors that also affect render time that others may add to this if they wish.
In short, a fast DAZ artist finds the resources that have less polygons and more normal (and bump) maps while homogenizing the lighting type to reduce conflict that increases render time. This is just a thumbnail sketch answer, and with L&P's rig using smart methods I would estimate between 30 and 45 minutes to render this scene.
I hope this helps, Jack.

Quick correction: normal maps and bump maps simulate geometry, not textures. Example, a flat plane can look like wood grain with ridges by applying a normal map. They provide “free” 3D-details in terms of resource consumption.
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think of the render engine (probably IRAY or Octane in this case) as calculating every light source in the scene hitting every single polygon in the scene, bouncing off every single polygon by angle of refraction and hitting another polygon, bouncing off that, and so on, all the while keeping track of how strong the light is after each bounce -a portion of the light is absorbed by every polygon hit.

having said all that, L&P has four top of the line graphic processor chips (or is it six?), NVIDIA RTX 3090. So he’s got no shortage of power and speed. Depending on settings he can generate the preview image we just saw (lots of light sources, 12 G3 characters) in maybe an hour or less. Set up and posing characters would take longer.

 

[Jack Adams]

Quick correction: normal maps and bump maps simulate geometry, not textures. Example, a flat plane can look like wood grain with ridges by applying a normal map. They provide “free” 3D-details in terms of resource consumption.

Your correction is semantically true in the DAZ world. I chose the word 'texture' for the uninitiated. Those unfamiliar with DAZ would call a wood grain a texture.
Thank you for your attention to detail and keeping the conversation honest, Jack.

 

[Bill_Buttlicker]

In my opinion, if I were in their shoes, I would go sit at the bar. Bartenders (tend to be) your friend in these kind of situations. They know the patrons and can help give you cover if someone gets too fresh. It's subtle, but it's important to have a relationship with the bartender in this situation. Even though she's only 1 person, it's her bar and most people aren't going to ignore a bartender if they're told to fuck off. Sitting at the table will isolate Patricia and Sophia and make them more vulnerable to the crowd. This is one of those Girl 101 things.

How do you know the bar belongs to the bartender? Just because she works there doesn't mean she owns it. It could belong to the guy with the blond beard standing next to her or even someone not shown.

 

[Alley_Cat]

I'll also add that rendering isn't even a bottleneck for L&P. It may have been in the beginning, but it certainly hasn't been since he upgraded his video card(s) at the start of the year.

What the bottleneck is, is Creating Scenes. Finding and modifying assets to suit his purposes. Things like getting the girls yoga outfits to fold for the Yoga event. Or Sophia's outfit for task #3. Creating the bar and all the meatheads just for the concert.

And that L&P is working on his own for no good reason. Yet another dev (BlackWebGames for DDoS) has released the asset list used for their game, for the benefit of fan artists. There was even a moment in the recent update of Free Pass where the dev was having trouble getting shoes to fit. Which is the perfect opportunity for fan artists to spend time working things out, so that the dev can get back to the more artistic side of things.

If any of us in the fan art thread had an actual clue as to what L&P was planning, we could have done all the work creating the location for him, so that he could just choose the one that suited his vision.

 

[L&P's Father-in-Law]

the bottleneck is the artist himself

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

How do you know the bar belongs to the bartender? Just because she works there doesn't mean she owns it. It could belong to the guy with the blond beard standing next to her or even someone not shown.

I'm going to assume this is a language barrier, because clearly I don't mean the bartender literally owns the bar. In this context it's her bar because she's the one working, and that gives her a certain level of authority and ownership over what happens in the establishment. While a bartender can't prevent everything from happening, in most cases what they say goes- and she does not look like the kind of bartender that would be easily ignored by patrons.

 

[ar1122]

where the fuck is the progress report i went like 20 sites back

 

[Talcum Powder]

Your correction is semantically true in the DAZ world. I chose the word 'texture' for the uninitiated. Those unfamiliar with DAZ would call a wood grain a texture.
Thank you for your attention to detail and keeping the conversation honest, Jack.

Cool.
I’m not professing talent nor any expertise with DAZ, I’m just starting my journey. I’m decent enough at model making in Blender but texturing and shading is a world of its own, and I haven’t even started looking at lighting and camera settings.

Make no mistake folks, Lust&Passion is really quite exceptional for a solo artist on his first major project.

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

where the fuck is the progress report i went like 20 sites back

There isn't much to see, it's still around 55%/55%/15%/0%. Don't expect the game for a few more months.

 

[Bill_Buttlicker]

I'm going to assume this is a language barrier, because clearly I don't mean the bartender literally owns the bar. In this context it's her bar because she's the one working, and that gives her a certain level of authority and ownership over what happens in the establishment. While a bartender can't prevent everything from happening, in most cases what they say goes- and she does not look like the kind of bartender that would be easily ignored by patrons.

What if it's really a gay biker bar and the bartender is just a butch lesbian

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

What if it's really a gay biker bar and the bartender is just a butch lesbian

I'm sure you're joking, but it really doesn't make a difference. It isn't a sexual thing, it's an acknowledgement that if the bartender tells you to fuck off you better listen or else you're cut off and/or thrown out. So if I was walking into this bar, I would go up to the bar and try to be friendly with the bartender in case she could help me out later. There's other reasons for going up to the bar as well, but for me the first step is building that relationship so that if I'm getting hassled she may step in and help me out.

 

[Bane71]

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Can you express yourself more clearly? What is the essence of your question?

If you are interested in teasers of Sam and Sofia's event, then at the moment we have 3 teasers:
1)

2)

3)


So, please, do not behave like a little capricious child who wants to get a toy at any price and beats his hands and feet on the floor!
Try to explain what exactly interests you and be sure someone will answer the question you are interested in.
Have a nice day.

 

[Jack Adams]

Can you express yourself more clearly? What is the essence of your question?

If you are interested in teasers of Sam and Sofia's event, then at the moment we have 3 teasers:
1)
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So, please, do not behave like a little capricious child who wants to get a toy at any price and beats his hands and feet on the floor!
Try to explain what exactly interests you and be sure someone will answer the question you are interested in.
Have a nice day.

Is it possible that the Kurt Russell Santa dude leaning against the bar is the bouncer? He certainly is buff and carries himself as a no-nonsense guy.

 

[Bane71]

It seems to me that the gloomy view from the outside of the bar and the view of these tough, at first glance, bikers, led our discussion of the FRIENDLY bar, as L&P himself called it, in another unnecessary direction.
At the moment, I'm more interested in who are the three that we haven't seen yet? After all, L&P said that there are at least 18 characters!
Will it be guys or girls? Are they familiar to us or someone completely new?

Is it possible that the Kurt Russell Santa dude leaning against the bar is the bouncer? He certainly is buff and carries himself as a no-nonsense guy.

When you talk about the bouncer, Jack, I think of Patrick Swayze. He was a wonderful actor and person! I really liked his acting.
I remember one of the comedies with his participation, Keeping Mum! He played a gigolo, a very black and very funny comedy and Patrick was, as always, great in it.
The memory of this actor will be long.

 

[Alley_Cat]

It seems to me that the gloomy view from the outside of the bar and the view of these tough, at first glance, bikers, led our discussion of the FRIENDLY bar, as L&P himself called it, in another unnecessary direction.
At the moment, I'm more interested in who are the three that we haven't seen yet? After all, L&P said that there are at least 18 characters!
Will it be guys or girls? Are they familiar to us or someone completely new?

When you talk about the bouncer, Jack, I think of Patrick Swayze. He was a wonderful actor and person! I really liked his acting.
I remember one of the comedies with his participation, Keeping Mum! He played a gigolo, a very black and very funny comedy and Patrick was, as always, great in it.
The memory of this actor will be long.

I thought it was 16 characters. But if it's 18, and there's still the possibility of Ellie and friend turning up, then that would count for the extra two.

As for the gloomy view, one of the reasons I find it hard to believe this is a "friendly" bar, is that besides obviously Sophia, Patricia and perhaps Ellie and co, there are no female patrons. That to me sends up a red flag immediately, that women don't feel welcome here. There should be at least two or three. Preferably closer to half.

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

It seems to me that the gloomy view from the outside of the bar and the view of these tough, at first glance, bikers, led our discussion of the FRIENDLY bar, as L&P himself called it, in another unnecessary direction.
At the moment, I'm more interested in who are the three that we haven't seen yet? After all, L&P said that there are at least 18 characters!
Will it be guys or girls? Are they familiar to us or someone completely new?

When you talk about the bouncer, Jack, I think of Patrick Swayze. He was a wonderful actor and person! I really liked his acting.
I remember one of the comedies with his participation, Keeping Mum! He played a gigolo, a very black and very funny comedy and Patrick was, as always, great in it.
The memory of this actor will be long.

Well, "The other guy" is supposed to be a potential interest of Ellie's so she may be one, depending on the path you took.

 

[Jack Adams]

It seems to me that the gloomy view from the outside of the bar and the view of these tough, at first glance, bikers, led our discussion of the FRIENDLY bar, as L&P himself called it, in another unnecessary direction.
At the moment, I'm more interested in who are the three that we haven't seen yet? After all, L&P said that there are at least 18 characters!
Will it be guys or girls? Are they familiar to us or someone completely new?

When you talk about the bouncer, Jack, I think of Patrick Swayze. He was a wonderful actor and person! I really liked his acting.
I remember one of the comedies with his participation, Keeping Mum! He played a gigolo, a very black and very funny comedy and Patrick was, as always, great in it.
The memory of this actor will be long.

I am also a fan of Patrick Swayze. To top off an impressive career he lent dignity and composure to his final months, and his role in the series "The Beast" was (in my opinion) his best work. One of my best friends endured the same cancer as Swayze at the same time he did. They tried the same treatments and she also died 6 weeks later. So, yes... Patrick Swayze's courage has a special meaning for me.

 

[micketysn]

who is she?

 

[LordSanguine]

I think theres something wrong with Emma’s face

 

[nexer]

At the moment, I'm more interested in who are the three that we haven't seen yet? After all, L&P said that there are at least 18 characters!
Will it be guys or girls? Are they familiar to us or someone completely new?

I wouldn't bet on Ellie, and if there are more characters it's possible movers will show up.
There are a lot of bikers but few truckers.