VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.220] [Lust & Passion]

[Old Dog]

We still attach too much importance to Sophia's clothes. If the patrons had chosen the rock outfit nobody would assume that Sophia would have to change before she goes to Cathy and Andrew. L&P won't tell two stories based on clothing.

I was just assuming that she may get changed either way I don't care about the outfit that she is wearing

 

[supersomeone]

Any content with the son?

 

[Alley_Cat]

Any content with the son?

A little under half the game. Does she have sex with him? No. Likely wont for another 15-20 years.

 

[hzjujk]

I was just assuming that she may get changed either way I don't care about the outfit that she is wearing

Yes it is not important. It also doesn't matter whether Sam drives Sophia home or straight to Cathy. It is only important that Sam has the opportunity to be alone with Sophia. And the Cathy event after that is important in my opinion for the development of the relationship between Sam and Sophia the next day.

 

[Old Dog]

The Cathy event after that is important in my opinion for the development of the relationship between Sam and Sophia the next day.

The point was that Sam could see Sophia changing but this would be a big let down.
Could you explain this please

 

[xxxorro]

So if Patricia drives Sophia home(or to meet with Liam) the Sam event could happen either before or after meeting up with Liam?

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Yes. The concert is just the very ambitious prelude for the actual interesting event. But it's not an "after party"! At least not the way you think of it.

So what you were suggesting here is that the concert and Cathy's event are interleaved?
I mean, what if during the concert Sophia gets the call to go to Cathy's, at that point she has to leave under the disheartened eyes of Sam who is still performing. Cathy's event happens and once they get back Sophia e.g. randomly meets Sam coming back from the concert and that's the solo moment (I don't know where though, but in a "simpler" environment). I mean something like that, where the two sub events "concert" and "solo moment" happen at different time of the night, with Cathy's event in between.

That could make sense whether Sam's event plays or not (being optional)

 

[hzjujk]

The point was that Sam could see Sophia changing but this would be a big let down.
Could you explain this please

Difficult, but I'll try. Imagine Sophia who has just allowed Sam to kiss her or touch her breasts. And now she goes to a couple who are planning their wedding. That should remind Sophia of her own marriage vows. And you will feel ashamed and guilty. And she will tell herself that she has to end the thing with Sam. We assume that Cathy and Andrey will make the Parkers a covert sexual offer (swinger or ...). And Sophia notes that Liam is ready to respond. Even more - Sophia sees Liam looking at Cathy. The idea of an open marriage is back and Sophia has the feeling that Liam would accept it. Perhaps Sophia is also a little pissed off when she notices that Liam is looking after another woman while her own wife was able to save his ass on the same day.
That's why I think the event is important. It takes the pressure off Sophia of having the feeling of betraying her husband. Without that evening, Sam would be starting from scratch the next day.

 

[Old Dog]

Difficult, but I'll try. Imagine Sophia who has just allowed Sam to kiss her or touch her breasts. And now she goes to a couple who are planning their wedding. That should remind Sophia of her own marriage vows. And you will feel ashamed and guilty. And she will tell herself that she has to end the thing with Sam. We assume that Cathy and Andrey will make the Parkers a covert sexual offer (swinger or ...). And Sophia notes that Liam is ready to respond. Even more - Sophia sees Liam looking at Cathy. The idea of an open marriage is back and Sophia has the feeling that Liam would accept it. Perhaps Sophia is also a little pissed off when she notices that Liam is looking after another woman while her own wife was able to save his ass on the same day.
That's why I think the event is important. It takes the pressure off Sophia of having the feeling of betraying her husband. Without that evening, Sam would be starting from scratch the next day.

Thanks.I get it now

 

[lockerxx]

So if Patricia drives Sophia home(or to meet with Liam) the Sam event could happen either before or after meeting up with Liam?

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Yes. The concert is just the very ambitious prelude for the actual interesting event. But it's not an "after party"! At least not the way you think of it.

the Tree house?Sophie and sam meet there or another visit to Sam room

 

[hzjujk]

Thanks.I get it now

It was a pleasure for me. Good night.

 

[nexer]

Difficult, but I'll try. Imagine Sophia who has just allowed Sam to kiss her or touch her breasts. And now she goes to a couple who are planning their wedding. That should remind Sophia of her own marriage vows. And you will feel ashamed and guilty. And she will tell herself that she has to end the thing with Sam. We assume that Cathy and Andrey will make the Parkers a covert sexual offer (swinger or ...). And Sophia notes that Liam is ready to respond. Even more - Sophia sees Liam looking at Cathy. The idea of an open marriage is back and Sophia has the feeling that Liam would accept it. Perhaps Sophia is also a little pissed off when she notices that Liam is looking after another woman while her own wife was able to save his ass on the same day.
That's why I think the event is important. It takes the pressure off Sophia of having the feeling of betraying her husband. Without that evening, Sam would be starting from scratch the next day.

We can't rule anything out, but L&P has never used this before. Sophia should start with Ellie/Julia and move on to Aiden, even Dylan.

 

[nexer]

the Tree house?Sophie and sam meet there or another visit to Sam room

I think it's already dark when they get back from the concert. Next time

 

[Deleted member 2183629]

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[Poser_Voyeur]

I'll agree. If Sophia and Patricia arrive at the bar together, and then go home together, that leaves very narrow window for anything to happen with Sam. If this event is actually a Patricia and Sophia event instead of Sam and Sophia, then ok maybe that makes more sense; but our understanding is that this event exists to advance the relationship with Sam. If Sophia leaves the bar with Patricia without some significant progress with Sam, it's going to feel like like the Sam storyline is spinning its wheels.

And Sam is certainly one of those characters that needs some advancement. Thankfully Nathalie is back in this forthcoming update yet it will unfortunately be a few Playable Days before we see Alyssa again, and she is one of the top 5-6 LI's.

 

[Poser_Voyeur]

Difficult, but I'll try. Imagine Sophia who has just allowed Sam to kiss her or touch her breasts. And now she goes to a couple who are planning their wedding. That should remind Sophia of her own marriage vows. And you will feel ashamed and guilty. And she will tell herself that she has to end the thing with Sam. We assume that Cathy and Andrey will make the Parkers a covert sexual offer (swinger or ...). And Sophia notes that Liam is ready to respond. Even more - Sophia sees Liam looking at Cathy. The idea of an open marriage is back and Sophia has the feeling that Liam would accept it. Perhaps Sophia is also a little pissed off when she notices that Liam is looking after another woman while her own wife was able to save his ass on the same day.
That's why I think the event is important. It takes the pressure off Sophia of having the feeling of betraying her husband. Without that evening, Sam would be starting from scratch the next day.

And I think that is important. Most of us don't like Liam because he is making it harder for Sophia to achieve sexual Nirvana with their preferred choice of LI for Sophia.

And whilst I may be critical of Liam, for not making enough free time to spend with any of Sophia or as a father to Ellie/Dylan, and also for being a greedy idiot with his casino betting, L&P presents Liam in a far more sympathetic way than most devs do with male spouse of a female protagonist. Most devs choose to either make the husband as an abusive arsehole, always away on work or just outright deceased. By starting with a happily married Sophia, L&P has nt chosen the easy route in making Sophia's subsequent sexual Olympics as realistic or plausible.

So even though the corruption of Sophia has accelerated across the last couple of updates, we have nt yet had the real tipping point, where Sophia can contemplate having sex with someone other than Liam, not as a fantasy / daydream but to actually think about doing it.

I forget what L&P said about Liam not cheating. But without the way you described above, I can't yet see Sophia actively think about sleeping with someone else. She still needs that final push.....

 

[Old Dog]

And Sam is certainly one of those characters that needs some advancement. Thankfully Nathalie is back in this forthcoming update yet it will unfortunately be a few Playable Days before we see Alyssa again, and she is one of the top 5-6 LI's.

Too many days,I need my precious

 

[Old Dog]

Not an after party means they go home, each on their own.

An after party after the after party

 

[Old Dog]

the Tree house?Sophie and sam meet there or another visit to Sam room

The tree house has only been used once before.

 

[Bill_Buttlicker]

I'll agree. If Sophia and Patricia arrive at the bar together, and then go home together, that leaves very narrow window for anything to happen with Sam. If this event is actually a Patricia and Sophia event instead of Sam and Sophia, then ok maybe that makes more sense; but our understanding is that this event exists to advance the relationship with Sam. If Sophia leaves the bar with Patricia without some significant progress with Sam, it's going to feel like like the Sam storyline is spinning its wheels.

Are we sure the relationship advancement of Sam is with Sophia? Did L&P confirm this? Maybe Sam hits it off with one of the biker dudes in the men's room

 

[Alley_Cat]

Are we sure the relationship advancement of Sam is with Sophia? Did L&P confirm this? Maybe Sam hits it off with one of the biker dudes in the men's room

Assuming Ellie might still make it, albeit late, I believe the event is more focused towards setting up Sam/Ellie, then anything particularly Sam/Sophia. Even down to Sophia and Patricia at the back table, and not the one up the front. If Sophia was going to make doe eyes at Sam, surely she'd be sitting up the front.