VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.220] [Lust & Passion]

[Alley_Cat]

Fighting with the hobo was typical of a child teenager. It was the continuation of the scene when Dylan was introduced to the Seal and he blurted out asking if he would learn to kill with the edge of his hand. Sophia should have recognized that! So it was no advance in Dylan's development. He only got one more tool to act out his play instinct. Dylan is still where he was at the beginning of the game, just with a different haircut.
If he avoids the fight or consciously loses although he is superior and yet achieved his goal, then he has made progress in his development.

Is it possible for him to avoid the fight but for the player to continue the Sophia/Dylan path though?

 

[hzjujk]

Is it possible for him to avoid the fight but for the player to continue the Sophia/Dylan path though?

I should have phrased the statement in such a way that it becomes clear that I am referring to possible future events.

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

I feel pretty much everything wrong with what you said.

Sophia does not see Dylan as a man because he is her SON. No mother sees her son as man just because he is good at sports, or got 3 goals or sneaked in a kiss. That kiss didn't even last a second, what passion would be in it.

By this logic, Ellie should be in the same boat with Dylan and not where she is right now or one step above Dylan but behind the rest of the cast. Ellie is the DAUGHTER of Sophia. The only difference is she is female. But for some reason, beyond logic, because she is female, she jumps to the front of the line, but people leave out the important part: she is still her DAUGHTER. If you look at how the story progresses on both sides, Sophia is already making out with her DAUGHTER in the shower, and Sophia is giving hints to Ellie on "Finding Nemo" the right way. It should have never been that easy with Ellie.

All of this happened at a very initial phase of the Dylan route, where Sophia only saw him as her son. It is After the bikini event Sophia started seeing that her son can also be mature and not just a whining boy.

Up to this point, P.D. 11, Dylan has been doing lots of Perverted Things, Spying, "First Person" Shooters, etc... She didn't really see him as a "Whining Boy" until this update in the park with the Hobos. Before that, she was treating everything as it was "SEX-ED." If you reread the text, you'll find that Dylan said in the Bikini Event, "I can't believe it worked." which tells me he was planning this because Sophia said this would be the last time you'll get to see this in the Mall Event with Dylan. So he was manipulating the scene to see her nude or as close to being nude as possible. And when she heard Dylan speaking about those words, she asked him, "What did you say?" and his response was "Nothing."

People who believe Dylan's personality changed all of a sudden and it was unrealistic. How much do we know Dylan's character. Do people really believe they can decide for sure who is what based on a mere character introduction and few short scenes. We all thought Ellie to be the kind who is sexually active and has probably had sex with many guys seeing how she was all making out Infront of her mother with a guy she just met. Then comes the revelation that she is a virgin. So just assuming what Dylan is based on the initial days of the game and calling anything new about the character as poorly written or incorrect is not right.

When he stood up for her against the hobos it finally tipped the scale towards Dylan being recognised as a man by her.
It would be the case for any mother, the difference would be a normal mother won't think sexually about this but Sophia's thought are a bit leaning towards that.

It did change all of a sudden. There was no build-up to P.D. 12. You can see it for yourself. Indeed, we may not know the entire story, but we can only base our thoughts on what we know at present. The initial days of the game time period are maybe the first 3 or 4 days of the novel. Finally, we are at P.D. 12, which is almost halfway through the novel and now out of the infant stages of the novel. As the novel progresses, our thoughts will change with the new information we learn from the story.

This is what happens when you have 79+ characters with who she has interacted throughout the novel. You start to develop plotholes because many characters play a role, and L&P only has a limited amount of time to tell the tale, which screentime is limited. So, IMO, He should have to trim the fat at the start, In which he could have put more focus on key characters in the novel. And it appears we are starting to see that with the "Coach Sophia" going to DLC. Also, L&P is dropping hints that the 1st part of Sophia/Sam evening event may end up as DLC as well. What else will probably go "DLC" at this point?

We already discussed this part in another post, but IMO, there is nothing "Symbolic" about beating up a drunk guy because he ran his mouth, as this is the word you used to describe that part. As I said in my response, most people who deal with drunk people that talk "Trash" usually ignore them or tell them to move along. Now, If L&P wrote in such a way that the Drunk Hobo was invading her personal space and was trying to get up close and personal, like the thugs in the subway, after running their mouth and making gestures, and Dylan defender her then, I could say that would be "Symbolic" and I could see it fit into that scene much better, then what was shown.

There has been gradual progression and no out of nowhere huge event for Dylan. Slowly and steadily things have moved and I just don't understand why most people consider even the smallest if things as a sign of something huge.

They stop thinking like an actual human but more like the characters of the porn game, making a mountain out if molehill, with only how every word could mean that the dev is insinuating sex between two characters.

The progression that has been shown has been "Two steps forward, One step back" when it comes to Sophia/Dylan. The gradual progression can work if there is a part in the story that feels impactful. Washing Dishes in the hope you can see Sophia changed in the mall or at some other point wasn't really impactful or huge. That was just someone washing dishes. The only little things I've seen were the foot massage and spending time with Sophia during the mall scene, cloth shopping for the Aiden event that had some impact. You probably could add some scenes from the Bikini event as well, but I don't think it was that impactful considering her thoughts at the end. At most, it was chipping the ice away with a hammer and chisel.

The only "Impactful" thing people are talking about is defending her in the park. IMO, it wasn't really that impactful taking into consideration again the drunk hobos.

 

[Bahraini]

No, you got far more than that in the update. Apparently those on the Dylan route got hours worth of content last update.

There was nothing sexual in the last update, Dylan had a fight with the homeless then massages Sophias butt, it took me around 15 minutes to finish it.

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

There was nothing sexual in the last update, Dylan had a fight with the homeless then massages Sophias butt, it took me around 15 minutes to finish it.

To be fair, Dylan did put his arm around her waist as they walked home.

 

[Deleted member 3325933]

Lol, that happens in your much loved you BaDik too. And I can say many things that seem stupid in that game too but the point is I'm not gonna go to that thread and irritate others by posting the same things again and again and comparing two games.

Do you really think people will subsribe for a 20 year long development cycle? No, right?
Just look at Old Dog, he supported as long as he liked and stopped supporting. If you want you can call that he realised what you have been saying all the time but the point is others will do the same if they don't like it. So you don't have to bring that up again and again.


Lol, what are you now? Marketing account for BaDik?
But I think you are more active in this thread than BaDik. Obsession?
Yeah, whatever.
I think you are matured enough to understand that repeating the same thing can be annoying, so let people decide what they want.

I have no clue what Viper's commentary was. I used a small option called IGNORE. It really cleaned up the thread for me. Just sayin'!

 

[Deleted member 3325933]

I believe that one good way to start rebooting AWAM would be the wrapping up of the two side-jobs. It would be worthwhile spending an update on this, if it meant that future updates came faster. Where the old men are concerned there are two possible rapid endings. Firstly, they could just get better & go home. If a less boring finale was preferred, Sophia could pose in the naughty nurse costume to 'boost their morale', only to be caught by her boss & asked to either resign or be sacked.

Where the home tutoring is concerned, the boys mother could walk in on Sophia's unorthodox, (to say the least), teaching methods & ask her to resign, or the boys could inadvertently tell Ava, with the same result.

Both the jobs could be brought to a rapid but logical conclusion. Alternatively, or alongside such events, Sophia could be required to work more hours at the school, which would be smooth & realistic. Again, she could be needed for the full-time role, in which case there would be no drama with the jobs, she'd just explain why she had to leave & she could still have worn the nurse outfit!

I.e. a simple narrative clean up of the spider web of paths leading to whatever series of non stop sexual encounters he is planning to put Sophia into. I like the plan. Ain't gonna happen with L&P but, I like the idea.

 

[roro]

By this logic, Ellie should be in the same boat with Dylan and not where she is right now or one step above Dylan but behind the rest of the cast. Ellie is the DAUGHTER of Sophia. The only difference is she is female.

That's not the only difference (Dylan is introverted with girls, while Ellie is much more confident than him) but that's a huge one, and in my opinion it justifies the gap in progress.

If you reread the text, you'll find that Dylan said in the Bikini Event, "I can't believe it worked." which tells me he was planning this because Sophia said this would be the last time you'll get to see this in the Mall Event with Dylan. So he was manipulating the scene to see her nude or as close to being nude as possible. And when she heard Dylan speaking about those words, she asked him, "What did you say?" and his response was "Nothing."

Imo, the "I can't believe it worked" statement is a leftover of Dylan and Aiden's deal that was already cancelled...

 

[Atton563]

That's not the only difference (Dylan is introverted with girls, while Ellie is much more confident than him) but that's a huge one, and in my opinion it justifies the gap in progress.

Speaking as an introvet it makes no sense for Dylan to be introverted around his mom, if anything he would be more comfortable with her than any other women.

 

[Scarlet56]

To be fair, Dylan did put his arm around her waist as they walked home.

There was so much possibility with this scene. (park)
Like asking Dylan to prove it was his girlfriend by kissing her, things like that.
It would have been nice

 

[nexer]

Can anyone tell when is the next teaser coming from....L&P ?

Well, look, there it is, the two pigeons


This, L&P created at the beginning of the game, which makes me think that the content with Sam was intended to be bigger.

 

[Hlextor]

Well, look, there it is, the two pigeons
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This, L&P created at the beginning of the game, which makes me think that the content with Sam was intended to be bigger.

I asked him once if that was Sam with Sophia. He denied it. It is not a character that appears in the game. For me it is Sam. He looks very much like him.

 

[lockerxx]

) "Coach Sophia"

That one was cut from the game.

 

[Sabertooth__]

By this logic, Ellie should be in the same boat with Dylan and not where she is right now or one step above Dylan but behind the rest of the cast. Ellie is the DAUGHTER of Sophia. The only difference is she is female. But for some reason, beyond logic, because she is female, she jumps to the front of the line, but people leave out the important part: she is still her DAUGHTER. If you look at how the story progresses on both sides, Sophia is already making out with her DAUGHTER in the shower, and Sophia is giving hints to Ellie on "Finding Nemo" the right way. It should have never been that easy with Ellie.



Up to this point, P.D. 11, Dylan has been doing lots of Perverted Things, Spying, "First Person" Shooters, etc... She didn't really see him as a "Whining Boy" until this update in the park with the Hobos. Before that, she was treating everything as it was "SEX-ED." If you reread the text, you'll find that Dylan said in the Bikini Event, "I can't believe it worked." which tells me he was planning this because Sophia said this would be the last time you'll get to see this in the Mall Event with Dylan. So he was manipulating the scene to see her nude or as close to being nude as possible. And when she heard Dylan speaking about those words, she asked him, "What did you say?" and his response was "Nothing."



It did change all of a sudden. There was no build-up to P.D. 12. You can see it for yourself. Indeed, we may not know the entire story, but we can only base our thoughts on what we know at present. The initial days of the game time period are maybe the first 3 or 4 days of the novel. Finally, we are at P.D. 12, which is almost halfway through the novel and now out of the infant stages of the novel. As the novel progresses, our thoughts will change with the new information we learn from the story.

This is what happens when you have 79+ characters with who she has interacted throughout the novel. You start to develop plotholes because many characters play a role, and L&P only has a limited amount of time to tell the tale, which screentime is limited. So, IMO, He should have to trim the fat at the start, In which he could have put more focus on key characters in the novel. And it appears we are starting to see that with the "Coach Sophia" going to DLC. Also, L&P is dropping hints that the 1st part of Sophia/Sam evening event may end up as DLC as well. What else will probably go "DLC" at this point?

We already discussed this part in another post, but IMO, there is nothing "Symbolic" about beating up a drunk guy because he ran his mouth, as this is the word you used to describe that part. As I said in my response, most people who deal with drunk people that talk "Trash" usually ignore them or tell them to move along. Now, If L&P wrote in such a way that the Drunk Hobo was invading her personal space and was trying to get up close and personal, like the thugs in the subway, after running their mouth and making gestures, and Dylan defender her then, I could say that would be "Symbolic" and I could see it fit into that scene much better, then what was shown.



The progression that has been shown has been "Two steps forward, One step back" when it comes to Sophia/Dylan. The gradual progression can work if there is a part in the story that feels impactful. Washing Dishes in the hope you can see Sophia changed in the mall or at some other point wasn't really impactful or huge. That was just someone washing dishes. The only little things I've seen were the foot massage and spending time with Sophia during the mall scene, cloth shopping for the Aiden event that had some impact. You probably could add some scenes from the Bikini event as well, but I don't think it was that impactful considering her thoughts at the end. At most, it was chipping the ice away with a hammer and chisel.

The only "Impactful" thing people are talking about is defending her in the park. IMO, it wasn't really that impactful taking into consideration again the drunk hobos.

I don't know how you see it but woman are more open to other women to physical contact. Showering naked with another woman is not a big deal for another woman. Even their daughter, Ellie had the approach right, that's all. You can't just compare each route based on what has been shown on it. Deshawn saw Sophia's bare breasts ( equal to Dylan achieved, something not even Sam has achieved, Aiden had to trick Sophia to even get the chance ), doesn't mean anything. Deshawn just happened to be in a situation with Sophia where he could see her bare breasts, similarly for Ellie.

Your second para, sex ed is the theme in Sophia's eyes, yes I am aware of that. Dylan is not innocent we know that too. He is trying to push forward and see Sophia naked, every approach is towards it. Initially he is shown as more needy to move forward, once he broke down the initial big wall he started getting more confident, like changing with Sophia on day 18 and the bikini event has clear dialogues of Sophia acknowledging Dylan is acting very mature and professional in his approach.

I think nothing too big happened on day 12 to begin with, so I don't even think too much of build up was required for it. Dylan can act mature, clever, perverted, rash and immature. Think of a human, humans act differently in different situations, you can't predict how someone will react even if you know them for years. You never know what is an actual tipping point for someone. Maybe for Dylan those filthy comments on the woman he loves really hit him hard. I generally avoid confrontations and will never resort to violence but once I hit my tipping point I wouldn't care what happens to me or the other person. So calling it a character flip is totally incorrect.

In those 12 days we have we have followed Sophia full time not Dylan, Dylan is only there at times. Initial part has more of Sam and later Dylan starts picking up. So it's not like Dylan has been there all the time so we can clearly judge him.

I used no such word as " Symbolic " anywhere in my statements. I don't know where you picked it from.


Dylan is a hot headed teenager it has been established already.
As for your point about what one generally does against drunk, here's a little something to think. Normally if you see some student bully other students you walk away, you don't go in and fight a losing battle against a gang. But Dylan did, similarly here he could not tolerate comments about his own mother and went to fight.

 

[Deleted member 3516371]

Any news on Sophia and Ellie or Sophia and Patricia lesbian sex action

 

[Hlextor]

As for your point about what one generally does against drunk, here's a little something to think. Normally if you see some student bully other students you walk away, you don't go in and fight a losing battle against a gang. But Dylan did, similarly here he could not tolerate comments about his own mother and went to fight.

If you mean the scuffle with Aiden, then you are wrong here that any sexual innuendos were made towards his mother. Dylan and Zach were just helping a classmate, and by doing so, interfered with Aiden's business...thus beginning Aiden's tasks. He interrupted his soccer buddies who were talking about his mother.

 

[Poser_Voyeur]

What are you talking about. He is the third most popular character after Dylan And Ellie. There is no way he is forgotten.

From the past whole month all people are talking about is Sam. And for being sympathetic, that guy is just a weasel.

Its such a shame that rather than just simply supporting a character that they like, AWAM's fandom is rife with people who instead are continually attacking characters that they don't like. It's tiresome.

Did Sam try and use his ways of manipulating Sophia into having sex? Yes of course he did.....

NEWSFLASH: Ellie has used her own ways of manipulating Sophia into sex. Dylan has used his own ways of manipulating Sophia into sex. Patricia has used her own ways of manipulating Sophia into sex. In fact pretty much every character apart from the delightfully innocent Julia has tried using their own ways of manipulating Sophia into sex.....

 

[Poser_Voyeur]

Do you guys think that there will come a time that Dylan will sink his junior to the ultimate hole?

Yes - latest estimates start at 2030 and go upwards from there. Come back in 2030.
No - am not joking, given current update speed....

 

[hzjujk]

Its such a shame that rather than just simply supporting a character that they like, AWAM's fandom is rife with people who instead are continually attacking characters that they don't like. It's tiresome.

Did Sam try and use his ways of manipulating Sophia into having sex? Yes of course he did.....

NEWSFLASH: Ellie has used her own ways of manipulating Sophia into sex. Dylan has used his own ways of manipulating Sophia into sex. Patricia has used her own ways of manipulating Sophia into sex. In fact pretty much every character apart from the delightfully innocent Julia has tried using their own ways of manipulating Sophia into sex.....

Since I also referred to Sam as a weasel, I am responding to this post. I can say that I like or dislike a character here in this forum, that's what the forum is for. That is why we are discussing. The difference for me is that I accept that there are members here who like the character Sam and want more content with him. And the difference for me is that I would definitely not ask you to shorten or give up your route in favor of other routes.

 

[Lord_Xanatos]

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