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TomUK

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The question was what day it was. UNFORTUNATELY, updates are only partial days. We have a disconnect in our memories as the DAY spreads across calendar YEARS.:(
Well, we're on day 19 with 12 playable days if you include day 1 and the last update was released mid June. So what was wrong about what I said in those 2 posts?
 
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I would love to see a continuous game from people of the fan art club of this game... maybe 1 person step up?

Maybe someone can give L&P a challenge

Atm everyone says this game or that game are good or better than W&M but i always try em and always disappointed... its like they repeat same thing over and over again that 99% of game creators do ... good at first but after a while gets boring ...there is another game in f95 that comes close but the creator is slower than even L&P
 

roro

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In your opinion! I have seen many times where L&P is no better than the most basic fan art poster, He misses things just as anyone else. Improper hang of the clothes, body cut through, floating above the floor or seat, ridiculous hair changes. Have you looked at how long that pony tail was that she had in the basketball game. Where did all that come from? Did she use extensions just for the BBall game? Interactions with the environment have errors as well. He is not fucking Michelangelo and that is any of the time. :devilish:
You're right, that's my opinion, and in contrast to others I mention it all the time. And as I said before, not all L&P's renders are that great, especially at earlier days (and the basketball scene match this description).
 
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Old Dog

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You're right, that's my opinion, and in contrast to others I mention it all the time. And as I said before, not all L&P's renders are that great, especially at earlier days (and the basketball scene match this description).
I agree but some of the mistakes that he has made are really daft ones,on the GW route and the prison visit,he has made some spectacular renders but silly mistakes ruin it for me as he puts in so much work into his renders and then makes a simple mistake like clipping objects.
 

Bane71

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How can you say that "Fan Art and its creators have much lower requirements than L&P?Have you seen some of the fantastic art that they have produced?
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Does this look like lower requirements ?
My friend, I have no desire to enter into a polemic with you, and even more so to argue on this issue, because it is unlikely that my electronic translator will help me correctly explain my point of view.
But you must admit, doing 1, 10 or even 50 renderings and a fan mini-story is far from the same as doing 1000 renderings for one update, which illustrate different, related and unrelated plots of a large-scale story. I have absolutely no desire to act as a lawyer for L&P and his work is certainly far from perfect, but I and those who have no idea what rendering is can not see and not realize the huge scale of the work that he does. But those who do this, even at the amateur level, should understand this.

Therefore, I'm sorry, gentlemen, but magnificent renderings of the highest quality and mini-stories, I, with all my great respect to you personally and other artists, I am not equal to the work of L&P.
Once again, I'm sorry,KillJoys...
 

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My friend, I have no desire to enter into a polemic with you, and even more so to argue on this issue, because it is unlikely that my electronic translator will help me correctly explain my point of view.
But you must admit, doing 1, 10 or even 50 renderings and a fan mini-story is far from the same as doing 1000 renderings for one update, which illustrate different, related and unrelated plots of a large-scale story. I have absolutely no desire to act as a lawyer for L&P and his work is certainly far from perfect, but I and those who have no idea what rendering is can not see and not realize the huge scale of the work that he does. But those who do this, even at the amateur level, should understand this.

Therefore, I'm sorry, gentlemen, but magnificent renderings of the highest quality and mini-stories, I, with all my great respect to you personally and other artists, I am not equal to the work of L&P.
Once again, I'm sorry,KillJoys...
No need to apologise Bane71 all is good here my friend
 

Bane71

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I agree but some of the mistakes that he has made are really daft ones,on the GW route and the prison visit,he has made some spectacular renders but silly mistakes ruin it for me as he puts in so much work into his renders and then makes a simple mistake like clipping objects.
I'm at a loss again!
My friend, do you doubt that L&P could correct these mistakes that we notice?
Fixing errors will further increase the update release time, which is probably why L&P allows itself to release updates with such errors.

P.S. Here I will add that it would be really advisable for L&P to recruit a small team of trusted patron users, especially from among those who are familiar with rendering, to preview the finished update. This would eliminate too obvious and annoying mistakes. But apparently, unfortunately, L&P will not turn to anyone for such help.
 
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roro

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I have few questions:-
1. Why was L&P able to give faster updates in past like half day updates in 2 months sometime even in 45-50 days?
2. Why assume that L&P is doing his best by someone and he is delaying updates by someone else?
3. Why no urgency by L&P words in his response to patrons(or others) to finish the game? Is he dodging the completion of game issue?
4. Why are people not concerned about the completion of game? Is it useless to ponder or discuss it?
5. Why would you trust a developer who has done things against his promises on patron page?
6. Does being very good at creating renders and storyline makes you immune to criticisms?
7. Are some people here fearful that L&P would stop making updates when people question him about his work or discuss it among themselves?
8. Why L&P has shown signs of vanity and low self esteem in his responses here on the site or on patron page?
9. Can't people argue that work could be better done?
10. Is all discussion about his work of no implication as he has reached a certain level of fame and financial security?

LAST QUESTION - this one I will answer here
Are people wasting their time worried too much about the game? Yes
1. It's an illusion. Yes, in the past he delivered half days in 1.5-2 months, but it was early in the game (before playable day 8 if I remember correctly), his renders weren't close to what they are today, and the events were much smaller, mostly because that was the introduction phase of the VN (I know, that's a very long introduction). If you compare the ratio of days/renders, you'll find it's not much different than today.
2. Because people are different. Just look at the anti vaccine people out there...
3. Better ask him about it.
4. I know some people here talk abou it a lot. For me it's not an issue. I'm here for the ride, and I have patience. And if the game gets abandoned that'll be a shame, but it's not the end of the world.
5. That's something everybody should ask himself. If you're angry at him - don't support him. If it's insignificant for you - no problem... It's an individual decision.
6. No.
7. I don't think so. I'm not even sure he reads here anymore...
8. Maybe because he has issues? I don't know him as a person. I doubt anyone here does. But I don't support a creator because he's a nice person.
9. Of course they can, and they do. Do you see me or anyone jumping on every criticism made? I have issues only when I believe a false/toxic criticism is made (mostly from the same users here). All I'm doing is writing my opinion as best as I can with my broken English, just as others do.
10. Why should a discussion here have implications? It's a pirate forum! What do you want to happen because of the discussion?
11. I'm not so sure about worried...
 

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I'm at a loss again!
My friend, do you doubt that L&P could correct these mistakes that we notice?
Fixing errors will further increase the update release time, which is probably why L&P allows itself to release updates with such errors.
The errors could be very easily fixed take for example the office sex with Liam.
Adjusting the height or moving the legs would of fixed this error,it is a simple error to fix,and should of been noticed in Created Scenes while setting up the scene.
 
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