VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.220] [Lust & Passion]

[Deleted member 3325933]

Now we're criticizing the artwork? I'm sorry, but many of these complaints sound like petty nitpicking. I've had my criticisms of L&P, but the actual artwork has never been one of them. While everyone is entitled to their opinion, criticizing the artwork is in the same vein as the argument over Sophia's bag; it makes you look like an asshole.

GingerSweetGirl we all know he is not perfect. I accept that he will make small errors. However, when someone denigrates the work of these Fan artists, as if they suck, it gets my hackles up. What I was endorsing was that many of the fanart posters have equal quality artwork vis a vee L&P. In contrast to what another poster claimed that they were all bad. I pointed out some L&P errors, as have others. There are always going to be some errors at some time. Just like in the writing, if you do all of it solo, there will be buffoonery. The errors he can make are no worse than what the fan artists do. They happen. With one look, at the works of several posters, and you know that they are not automatically worse. Which was the genesis of the discussion. He is not Michelangelo but, his art is better than all save a few Devs.

 

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So Bane is now like L&P's son?
Just because he supports a person whose work you don't like he has to endure all those stupid statements.

I have to ask, its clear that some people still like to support the game while a majority of people thinks that L&P is "milking" everybody. If you think that way you can just stop supporting him. But no, you want to talk about the same thing repeatedly as if L&P did something terrible in your life.
Way too wierd, right?

And sinnemax wants to compare the size of morello's laptop with his mobile phone as if his favorite developer never did any mistake in his game?

Just a note. I have no idea what "B" baby said. It is never of consequence and usually meant as a troll. Just a thought.

 

[Deleted member 3325933]

You have not offended me and yes I have low quality renders and I have gotten better over the years,I have learned by my mistakes and there have been a lot of them.
But I am not comparing my work to L&P's as we both have different styles and the number of likes only shows to me that people enjoy my art nothing more.
I am talking about the errors noting more so whoever started this" I am comparing myself to L&P" is talking rubbish because I never said that my renders are better.

I for one like them as 'better'. I have said you are on a roll and am not afraid to be supportive. Could you do a story of the scale and complexity of L&P? I don't know that is your interest. It is his. It is his job. So are you always top notch? There are errors and you are usually the first to identify them. Sometimes just a change in the angle of viewing. Back to Dr.Fapalot recent post

"He could probably maintain a high-quality level, but the main problem is that he has too much on his plate due to the size of the novel, and now we come back to the same conversation that we've been having over the last three to four years. So as long as the story keeps growing in size and he remains a one-person show for its design, I would expect many more mistakes and cutting corners going forward."

I ain't worried about the art mistakes. They may be not up to his standard but, they are almost always so minor as to be 'oh, i never noticed that' type of mistakes. Now, in the story, the narrative ugh, that hits at the core of what he is presenting. He needs a second set of eyes as this gets so convoluted.

I just don't like the BS that the fan artists suck because... well because.

 

[Deleted member 3325933]

If I had to create a scene for the game, how should I proceed and what time frame should I plan for the individual steps?

From the idea for the scene to the finished storyboard that contains the essential processes, the dialogue between the protagonists, sketches of the individual scenes with backgrounds and descriptions of the facial expressions, the feelings to be conveyed and the possible links to other events. And then I sit down and generate the individual scenes, adjust details or discard individual scenes from the storyboard and create them again because I notice that what has arisen in my head does not come across on the scene / picture.

Let's take the Natalie / Sophia event that is coming now, a little story should be told and it has to be erotic without really having sex. The event should include 200-250 pictures and the pictures should not only consist of faces and tits but also place just as much emphasis on the picture backgrounds.

I don't want to start a fight but honest estimates of the time required because when I think about it again and again I don't see the time wasting when rendering the pictures. (Shit, I also have to program.) For me personally, the greatest expenditure of time would probably be creating the storyboard because that would be the most creative part for me and I would mess around a lot until I was satisfied.

I would agree with you and it is probably how many Devs do this. It is their goal to tell the story and the artwork is second. I believe that the reverse is L&P's process. I think he envisions the scene and short story. He then constructs an outline. He then completes the artwork and writes the story to follow his work. It would explain why Translation is always done last. I think L&P is a graphic artist that is telling a story. He is in his comfort zone in the scenes and then moves to the narrative when he is done. IMO.

 

[leg28]

Yes, of course, this is a contradiction! But in fact, this means that for all his perfectionism, he allows himself to publish updates with some errors. I guess to speed up the process.

so thanks to leaving some errors after 4 months of lp's "studious, detail oriented hard work" (read: milking) we might see this update in 2021.
i just wonder if he takes some time to fix that too, when update would be ready? summer 2022?
classical brainwashing at full speed...

 

[Poser_Voyeur]

Is this a daz or RW request?

definitely real world request!!

 

[Poser_Voyeur]

I find this line of reasoning interesting. For how many years have the Cleveland Browns fans suffered?

And will continue to do so under Baker Money Mayfield!!

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

I for one like them as 'better'. I have said you are on a roll and am not afraid to be supportive. Could you do a story of the scale and complexity of L&P? I don't know that is your interest. It is his. It is his job. So are you always top notch? There are errors and you are usually the first to identify them. Sometimes just a change in the angle of viewing. Back to Dr.Fapalot recent post

"He could probably maintain a high-quality level, but the main problem is that he has too much on his plate due to the size of the novel, and now we come back to the same conversation that we've been having over the last three to four years. So as long as the story keeps growing in size and he remains a one-person show for its design, I would expect many more mistakes and cutting corners going forward."

I ain't worried about the art mistakes. They may be not up to his standard but, they are almost always so minor as to be 'oh, i never noticed that' type of mistakes. Now, in the story, the narrative ugh, that hits at the core of what he is presenting. He needs a second set of eyes as this gets so convoluted.

I just don't like the BS that the fan artists suck because... well because.

With him all over the map on creating, writing, etc... IMO every part of the story has some mistakes, whether it's the story convoluted with unnecessary plots, artwork that has errors, reworking story plots, unbalanced stories plots, making statements that make no sense, as Dylan can't be where the rest of the other cast members are at because of her relationship to him, which he is saying Son > Male and Female > Daughter or the zero to one-hundred speed "Sex-Ed" theme he used on the second side job, but is using the same theme with Dylan currently, which I pointed out he started off from the start.

But most people will choose what they think he should focus on, because in their eyes they believe that's where the problem lies like the Artwork, The Story, etc... So I would like to say it's all of it because it's too big for him to handle alone.

 

[Alley_Cat]

When did he promise you 1/3 of a day in 3 months top?

"Promise" is probably too strong a word, but back when L&P first changed to 1/3 playable day updates, he said he'd try and get updates out every 8 - 10 weeks.

Which was fine for updates like v.115 that were only about 400 renders. Even at L&P's slower rate, is works out roughly. The problem arose in v.130 when he was making entire events around 400 renders.

 

[momojean]

Another example of this is the four frame loops on the Sybian and the bedroom scene with Liam. It's almost like watching someone taking a picture book and flipping through the pages fast to make an animated scene in which the movement is not fluent at all. So I do agree with you about the details as he has stated this.

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He could probably maintain a high-quality level, but the main problem is that he has too much on his plate due to the size of the novel, and now we come back to the same conversation that we've been having over the last three to four years. So as long as the story keeps growing in size and he remains a one-person show for its design, I would expect many more mistakes and cutting corners going forward.

Hey guys, stop pointing out these amateurish mistakes from an amateur of 4 years experience pretending to be an artist who holds the secret to perfectionism and takes that as a pretext to make a silly porn game last for decades). just hilarious!
Now as a punishment he will revisit all the renders of this update to prove that he is not an amateur and that the 4 long years of experience have taught him something.
Except that it will lengthen the work in progress by two more months. you deserve it you fools

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

Hey guys, stop pointing out these amateurish mistakes from an amateur of 4 years experience pretending to be an artist who holds the secret to perfectionism and takes that as a pretext to make a silly porn game last for decades). just hilarious!
Now as a punishment he will revisit all the renders of this update to prove that he is not an amateur and that the 4 long years of experience have taught him something.
Except that it will lengthen the work in progress by two more months. you deserve it you fools

Has he fixed anything yet? The only thing he changed was the removal of "The Twist." If he does fix a past mistake, I'll be surprised.

 

[mulerider]

This is nowhere near the quality of L&P renders

imo its better than l&p's

 

[DIRTY FILTHY Animal]

With him all over the map on creating, writing, etc... IMO every part of the story has some mistakes, whether it's the story convoluted with unnecessary plots, artwork that has errors, reworking story plots, unbalanced stories plots, making statements that make no sense, as Dylan can't be where the rest of the other cast members are at because of her relationship to him, which he is saying Son > Male and Female > Daughter or the zero to one-hundred speed "Sex-Ed" theme he used on the second side job, but is using the same theme with Dylan currently, which I pointed out he started off from the start.

But most people will choose what they think he should focus on, because in their eyes they believe that's where the problem lies like the Artwork, The Story, etc... So I would like to say it's all of it because it's too big for him to handle alone.

I was wondering has L&P ever used any of your ideas in the game & if he has could you tell us what scenes they were or what ideas youve given him?

 

[L&P's Father-in-Law]

He never said he think you don't know what to tell him (he wasn't even talking to you) so your *** can stop laughing...

People can get confused between renders, that doesn't mean those who produced them have the same skill.

1. Some (if not most) people here read this thread with their smartphone while most people play this VN with a computer. With small screens it's much harder to pay attention to small differences within the renders.
2. Different people have different attention to details. Some people don't care if their favorite show is on SD, and some can't even consider watching it with a non 4k big screen TV.
3. Diminishing returns is a real thing. It's very easy to render a shitty render, it's not that hard to render a good render, but it's very difficult to render a perfect render (no, l&p doesn't deliver perfect renders, no one does...). Look again at your render, do you really compare it to L&P's?
I'm pretty sure L&P can produce equal quality faster than you, but he doesn't. He delivers better quality (I'm sure we can agree on this), with a diminishing returns (Some people wouldn't even notice, it will take more time and not in a linear fashion etc.). So the fact someone can produce a mediocre render (sorry) in 10 minutes doesn't mean L&P can deliver a superb render (no, not all his renders are superb) in 5.

You constantly say there are better artists, well, of course there are, but not many (and in my opinion, not in the fan art thread, sorry). But where's the connection? As was mentioned here before, people are different. I can practice more than Michael jordan, but I'll never beat him 1 on 1 (even though he's in his late 50's and I'm much younger than him). As long as you're not aware of L&P's workflow, all you're doing is assuming he is the Usain Bolt of Daz skill, but he's too lazy/greedy/SomeOtherInsult to show it. That's your assumption and nothing more, so advertising it as the non arguable truth is just stupid...

I said many pages ago there aren't many (if any) lone dev's here that deliver L&P's quality in a significanty faster updates and I stand by this statement (Someone in reply gave a list of games, but none of them has been of better quality and a lone dev and delivered a significantly faster updates). Maybe you can be this dev who delivers better renders in significantly faster updates...

By the way, posting false renders as L&P's, false statements as L&P's and those not so funny anymore (imo) posts about killjoys/old dog having the alpha versions is purely trolling.

Never said it was the same skill, I said people e.g. average player, confused them. I also said plenty of times I got only a couple days on DAZ vs 4 years L&P suposedly has working on this 11h a day. As for doing it myself, no thank you I'm not working for 7k a month.

"I'm pretty sure L&P can produce equal quality faster" yada yada. The only assurance we have from L&P is that more money+ more time+better hardware+less in game time = MORE DEVELOPMENT TIME.

As for the last paragraph, cry me a river.

 

[L&P's Father-in-Law]

I agree but some of the mistakes that he has made are really daft ones,on the GW route and the prison visit,he has made some spectacular renders but silly mistakes ruin it for me as he puts in so much work into his renders and then makes a simple mistake like clipping objects.

Clippin objects is the least of my worries. It's when the MC does faces (check the prison scene) that changes her face entirely.. that's how you know there's no meticulously posed expression.

 

[Bane71]

so thanks to leaving some errors after 4 months of lp's "studious, detail oriented hard work" (read: milking) we might see this update in 2021.
i just wonder if he takes some time to fix that too, when update would be ready? summer 2022?
classical brainwashing at full speed...

Yes, yes, yes, brainwashing, cheating, milking, that's right! He sits every day for at least 11 hours and thinks how to deceive you and me. But thank the Gods that you are so smart and do not give in to his deception! Nothing will help him deceive you. You're doing great! I am very happy for you.
I'm not as smart as you, so I send him $15 and 1 euro every month. And unfortunately there are a lot of fools like me and L&P can continue its milking.
And you can continue to envy him.

 

[leg28]

One would think that after more than 4 years, even the most diehard-fans of L&P would start to become sceptical of what's going on behind his closed curtains. Even completely uninformed individuals on the technicalities and processes of a project like this (like me) should at some point question if things are legit or not. There certainly are easy ways to do this, and it really doesn't take a genius to figure it out. Unfortunately, some people, like Bane71, are simply too naive and good willing. L&P knows that and is obviously making bank with it. These people would still stick their money up his rectum even if he were to update the game once every 2 years with 10 minutes of gameplay. There's always an excuse, always a reason on why it could be worth it. And I'm not trying to offend Bane71 or anyone else by saying this. I guess diehard-fans do what diehard-fans do, even in the darkest of times. It's their money in the end, even though I'd wish that some of them would eventually open their eyes.

I for one am still interested in the game, but would I ever subscribe to L&P's patreon again? Hell no! Pirating is the way to go here if you ask me. Yaaarrrrrr!

you heard about cults where people left money to guru and went living in rags on farms? or do more extreme things? then it is not impossible to gather 1000-2000 die-hard believers for porn game without sexual content. waiting for god's descent from the sky, or something equally impossible - mc finally having sex (as most of us do too, just don't support milking). i wish it is possible to see profiles and even more real reason why they are still staying on. my bet there are lots of them who want to see mc banged by creepy son.

 

[ancienregimele]

i wish it is possible to see profiles and even more real reason why they are still staying on. my bet there are lots of them who want to see mc banged by creepy son.

Whoever they are, those of us who are not paying patrons can only make an educated guess. It would be interesting to learn how many had ever seen a real live naked woman, let alone a 38 year old mother. I do think it's safe to say that the majority are not fans for whom realism is a priority.

 

[sergey matveev]

I just can't go to the episode of Sophia and Dylan's jogging after she completed Aiden's 3rd task. Please tell me the order of the passage with the release of this episode.

 

[fatiht]

Looking forward for the new update. I hope it comes soon.