Notretsam

Well-Known Member
Game Developer
Nov 1, 2017
1,429
2,384
Glad that you got it all sorted.
Do you have a save on the choice?
Nah, not got the save before the specific choice but it's fine, got your save and to be honest, thought the jogging event was a little unbelievable personally, didn't buy it, although the animation of Sophia jogging was fun.
 

Dr.SigmundFap

Engaged Member
Apr 23, 2017
2,445
19,478
He could definitely use a proofreader. He could get better suggestions. Like in the last update v0.130 I was unhappy with the writing as I felt inconsistencies in it and also it being very unconvincing. Maybe it was because he was already off schedule so he rushed with the dialogues. But pretty much every scene had something about its writing that upset me. A proofreader could ensure the consistency in the vocabulary used by characters as well as ensure an overall better written scene.
I don't know how he could feel rushed with the dialogues. It took him 23 days for P&T on v1.30, which had more scenes than this upcoming version, which is one week shy of an entire month to complete.

PS - 5.11.21 - 5.21.21 > 11 Days = 100%
P&T - 5.21.21 - 6.12.21 > 23 Days = 100%
V1.30 released - 6.14.21 > 2 Days of Testing before the release.

L&P was working with a translator (proofreader), which I believe was 6-8 hours or around that, in a different time zone, and he stated that he worked between 8-11 hours a day for v1.30. On average, he was translating roughly 2.5 pages a day. And if you take into consideration this statement,

1635253947888.png

I'm sure he may have to edit some scenes, but if every scene needs editing... Yeah, then he would need a second pair of eyes on his draft. But there are people, and I am one of those people, on this forum who is speculating that he has an outline or idea drafted on paper and not an actual script, and another person on the forums said he worked with L&P once. He would only send him sentences or phrases at a time (I would need to look up what page that person posted on this forum.) This, if true, would cut into the time significantly for P&T and add to the complexity of P&T based on he doesn't want his "Script" in fear that his story could be leaked.

Overall, If he did feel rushed then it may have been a result of poor planning or procrastination?
 

Sabertooth__

Well-Known Member
Sep 23, 2020
1,407
7,730
I don't know how he could feel rushed with the dialogues. It took him 23 days for P&T on v1.30, which had more scenes than this upcoming version, which is one week shy of an entire month to complete.

PS - 5.11.21 - 5.21.21 > 11 Days = 100%
P&T - 5.21.21 - 6.12.21 > 23 Days = 100%
V1.30 released - 6.14.21 > 2 Days of Testing before the release.

L&P was working with a translator (proofreader), which I believe was 6-8 hours or around that, in a different time zone, and he stated that he worked between 8-11 hours a day for v1.30. On average, he was translating roughly 2.5 pages a day. And if you take into consideration this statement,

View attachment 1469792

I'm sure he may have to edit some scenes, but if every scene needs editing... Yeah, then he would need a second pair of eyes on his draft. But there are people, and I am one of those people, on this forum who is speculating that he has an outline or idea drafted on paper and not an actual script, and another person on the forums said he worked with L&P once. He would only send him sentences or phrases at a time (I would need to look up what page that person posted on this forum.) This, if true, would cut into the time significantly for P&T and add to the complexity of P&T based on he doesn't want his "Script" in fear that his story could be leaked.

Overall, If he did feel rushed then it may have been a result of poor planning or procrastination?
Things were pretty heated back then, that update was an absolute collapse of planning and management too. Maybe it's not reason. The only thing I am certain of is that almost every scene in the last update made me feel that the writing is weak. It is inconsistent or the vocabulary doesn't suit the character and many other issues.

So from this update all I really wish for from him is to do good writing.
 

hmc15

Active Member
Apr 4, 2019
589
1,029
From what I have heard his Patrons wants the two side jobs dropped as they think that it takes up too much time but we shall see
If his Paterons want the game changed then either stop supporting the game or make their own game. Insanity how entitled people become when they're donating $5/month....

Happy L&P is open to suggestions - SOMETIMES - but is focused on delivering HIS PROJECT. When you crowdsource things it quickly becomes a clusterfuc* so let the creator, author, artist, and producer continue making his project the way he wants
 

GingerSweetGirl

Engaged Member
Aug 23, 2020
2,550
12,288
I don't know how he could feel rushed with the dialogues. It took him 23 days for P&T on v1.30, which had more scenes than this upcoming version, which is one week shy of an entire month to complete.

PS - 5.11.21 - 5.21.21 > 11 Days = 100%
P&T - 5.21.21 - 6.12.21 > 23 Days = 100%
V1.30 released - 6.14.21 > 2 Days of Testing before the release.

L&P was working with a translator (proofreader), which I believe was 6-8 hours or around that, in a different time zone, and he stated that he worked between 8-11 hours a day for v1.30. On average, he was translating roughly 2.5 pages a day. And if you take into consideration this statement,

View attachment 1469792

I'm sure he may have to edit some scenes, but if every scene needs editing... Yeah, then he would need a second pair of eyes on his draft. But there are people, and I am one of those people, on this forum who is speculating that he has an outline or idea drafted on paper and not an actual script, and another person on the forums said he worked with L&P once. He would only send him sentences or phrases at a time (I would need to look up what page that person posted on this forum.) This, if true, would cut into the time significantly for P&T and add to the complexity of P&T based on he doesn't want his "Script" in fear that his story could be leaked.

Overall, If he did feel rushed then it may have been a result of poor planning or procrastination?
I feel like there was a noticable drop in the quality of the script two updates ago. Isn't that when he lost his former proofer? I feel like that was the first time I noticed Engrish creeping into the game. It wasn't horrible, but there were telltale syntax errors that are common with non-native speaking people. This last update seemed to be better, but that makes sense because I think he had a proofreader.
 

Dr.SigmundFap

Engaged Member
Apr 23, 2017
2,445
19,478
I feel like there was a noticable drop in the quality of the script two updates ago. Isn't that when he lost his former proofer? I feel like that was the first time I noticed Engrish creeping into the game. It wasn't horrible, but there were telltale syntax errors that are common with non-native speaking people. This last update seemed to be better, but that makes sense because I think he had a proofreader.
I don't know if he lost or removed his proofer, but yeah, the text was horrible at the start. However, the English sentence structure has improved quite a bit. But Engrish was always around from Day 1 in his novel. I know he corrected it when the next version was released. But if what was said by the other poster that he would only send sentences and phrases at a time, which context and word structure would suffer greatly. Also, I understand that L&P knows English well, and I think he even teaches it or has taught it.
 

Deleted member 3325933

Engaged Member
Jan 30, 2021
2,734
6,774
I have a question. based on this document:
https://attachments.f95zone.to/2019/04/294575_Character_Directory.pdf
Which male hero is the most attractive? (from your point of view).
thanks.
I opened the document and was immediately confused. None of them fill the role of 'Hero' in my mind. This is a personality thing ultimately, not physical. It is one area in his story that is shallow. None of the males seem to be 'Hero' quality. Not even good 'Dad' material. (Neil is an ass with a cheezy goatee and Liam (no matter the route) is focused on career and not family at all. He has a Dad role to play and keeps dumping shit on Sophia. IMO!

DOH! Earlier I had an attempt at humor of L&P reading a post and starting to think of himself as the second George Lucas (Never ending directors cuts and rewrites). Does this weak male character, weak father story line fall into the same Father issues Lucas is known to have. I am terrified to consider the path forward. Aaarrrggh, I said the word! Soap now! Lifebouy even! :giggle:

And deleted in .....
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: globsis

bayrischman

Well-Known Member
Feb 27, 2021
1,042
1,113
can someone make a story when sophia meets logan and tyler in town and she has wild sex with in tyler,s apartment. and the next day the postman asks her because tyler is his nephew and the apartment belongs to the postman.
 

PietruccioTheHilander

Forum Fanatic
Jul 17, 2019
5,935
15,012
In terms of attractive males of the game based on this file. I would say Liam, Zac, Dylan and Sam. Rest I don't think are good looking at all.
there are a lot of situation where obscene actions could develop. for example the first sauna scene with ellie and patricia; a teasing action could also be developed there.
 

Deleted member 3325933

Engaged Member
Jan 30, 2021
2,734
6,774
If his Paterons want the game changed then either stop supporting the game or make their own game. Insanity how entitled people become when they're donating $5/month....

Happy L&P is open to suggestions - SOMETIMES - but is focused on delivering HIS PROJECT. When you crowdsource things it quickly becomes a clusterfuc* so let the creator, author, artist, and producer continue making his project the way he wants
I agree the marketplace can dump him if he does not meet the needs. However. If they are paying him they have the right to ask for certain things to be done certain ways. It does not mean they get it. They have the right to ask. Then it is their choice whether to continue $$$$ or not.

In a simple example. You pay someone to write a story/script for you. There are certain parameters agreed to as a start. Then you see changes you want made. If the writer wants to keep the job (Play, movie, book series whatever) adjustments to the concepts are made to accomodate the person with the cash. The writer may be aghast at the change of vision but, that is what happens when working for someone else.

The patrons are paying him (Max or min machts nichts). You are absolutely correct they can walk. You are absolutely wrong that they cannot request or demand things. It is the nature of having 'skin' in the game. L&P's decision then is: does he accommodate them, convince them otherwise, or place them on ignore. It is how the market works.

And every six months, roughly, he gets a fresh infusion of patrons that hang about for a bit, some stay longer others bolt sooner. It is the game he is banking. IMO
 
Last edited:

palmtrees89

Engaged Member
Jul 3, 2021
2,039
12,658
Also, I understand that L&P knows English well, and I think he even teaches it or has taught it.
Seeing L&P's grammar and terminology in most of his posts makes this really hard to believe, to say the least. I could see him teaching his little sister some basic English vocabulary to improve her grades in elementary school or something, but an actual English teacher? There's no way, sorry. Don't get me wrong, English aint my first language either, but...no, just no. L&P is/was a student himself before cancelling his college courses to become a full-time game developer according to his Patreon goals, so I really don't see how he'd be teaching people the English language, unless he was actually studying to become a teacher. But that would make it even worse considering the posts L&P comes up with.
 

L&P's Father-in-Law

Well-Known Member
Jun 25, 2017
1,393
6,622
If his Paterons want the game changed then either stop supporting the game or make their own game. Insanity how entitled people become when they're donating $5/month....

Happy L&P is open to suggestions - SOMETIMES - but is focused on delivering HIS PROJECT. When you crowdsource things it quickly becomes a clusterfuc* so let the creator, author, artist, and producer continue making his project the way he wants
And here you have it boys, the goalposts keep moving.

2 years ago it was:
"You're not even a patron, you don't even support the project so just stop talking"
Then it was
"You're just donating what? 1$. What say do you think you have in it?"
Now we are at
" Insanity how entitled people become when they're donating $5/month"

Soon only top 38$ patrons can give their opinion, but only if it's a good opinion, the rest can just pay up and shut up.
 

Dr.SigmundFap

Engaged Member
Apr 23, 2017
2,445
19,478
Seeing L&P's grammar and terminology in most of his posts makes this really hard to believe, to say the least. I could see him teaching his little sister some basic English vocabulary to improve her grades in elementary school or something, but an actual English teacher? There's no way, sorry. Don't get me wrong, English aint my first language either, but...no, just no. L&P is/was a student himself before cancelling his college courses to become a full-time game developer according to his Patreon goals, so I really don't see how he'd be teaching people the English language, unless he was actually studying to become a teacher. But that would make it even worse considering the posts L&P comes up with.
I don't know what degree he teaches at and who he teaches, It could be small children the basics of English, but I agree. His English would not be top-tier college level.

I don't know if you can take his canceling college courses seriously. As many times as he has moved the goal post for the last two tiers.

Current:
1635262004988.png

Unless you have a valid confirmation that he did indeed cancel his courses to work on this full time, I would take this statement with a grain of salt.
 

palmtrees89

Engaged Member
Jul 3, 2021
2,039
12,658
I don't know what degree he teaches at and who he teaches, It could be small children the basics of English, but I agree. His English would not be top-tier college level.

I don't know if you can take his canceling college courses seriously. As many times as he has moved the goal post for the last two tiers.

Current:
View attachment 1469912

Unless you have a valid confirmation that he did indeed cancel his courses to work on this full time, I would take this statement with a grain of salt.
I totally agree. I've always questioned the fulfillment of any Patreon goal L&P has. And we can see why by looking at every single one of them.
 

Dr.SigmundFap

Engaged Member
Apr 23, 2017
2,445
19,478
I totally agree. I've always questioned the fulfillment of any Patreon goal L&P has. And we can see why by looking at every single one of them.
When he had around 1000 Patreon subs, he meet that goal many times. And I say that, because of the monthly reset, but it always went back up.
 
  • Like
Reactions: palmtrees89
3.20 star(s) 508 Votes