VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.215f] [Lust & Passion]

[sheatfish]

when release?
Art 35%=5 х 7 days (2 november) ; programming 100%= 5 х 20 days (22 november); + 3 days for test (25 november);
reply 25 - 28 november

 

[Deleted member 3325933]

No worries, I am cool.
And you are free to think that all he has is a single sheet of notes with who fuck who ;-

I think it is much more than that, and the "meat" of the story is all laid out allready.
This doesn't mean he has everything ironed out in all the small details. It never works this way. He certainly doesnt have entire dialogues pre-written. It would have been stupid. When you woring on something, small details are always shifting. Some things you didn't consider at first come out after looking at it back after a lot of time.

I do believe the story is pre-written all right, but by the time the game is finished (10-15years ;-) ), it will probably change drasticaly from what it was at the start, some parts re-written, some deleted, others much expanded upon.

This is norm of every creative process.

Try to be positive about it.
At least he is not going back to the days he allready finished re-writing them, and making "A Wife and A Mother Reloaded".
A lot of Authors get caught in the loop of always trying to improve of what they allready done, and it can turn ugly.

At least it is moving forth ;-

"At least he is not going back to the days he allready finished re-writing them"

Is that a George Lucas shot? Hmmmm, I don't think it is a good idea to put that in this forum. L&P may read it and then start seeing himself as the second Lucas and we get never ending Director's cuts. This would slow progress to a crawl and... Never mind. We are already looking at longer than the first three Star wars movies just to get to... . Where is it we are getting to?

And off topic in ...

 

[Lether]

Aiden path > Don morello path

 

[r0rschack]

Is moving in the wrong direction!!!!

	Pct Complete	Factor	Pct of Update
Created Scenes	100%	55%	55.00%
Rendered Scenes	100%	25%	25.00%
Art edited with PS	65%	5%	3.25%
Programming & Translation	0%	15%	0.00%
Total Pct of Update Completed			83.25%
Start Date			7/5/2021
Days of Production			112
Estimated Completion Date			11/16/2021

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When do you think us plebs will get to play it though if the game completion is in mid November? Early December?

 

[Deleted member 2183629]

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[globsis]

I have a question. based on this document:
https://attachments.f95zone.to/2019/04/294575_Character_Directory.pdf
Which male hero is the most attractive? (from your point of view).
thanks.

 

[DIRTY FILTHY Animal]

I have a question. based on this document:
https://attachments.f95zone.to/2019/04/294575_Character_Directory.pdf
Which male hero is the most attractive? (from your point of view).
thanks.

I want to see Sophia & Zac and then Allysa joins in the 3some

 

[Notretsam]

Glad that you got it all sorted.
Do you have a save on the choice?

Nah, not got the save before the specific choice but it's fine, got your save and to be honest, thought the jogging event was a little unbelievable personally, didn't buy it, although the animation of Sophia jogging was fun.

 

[McZoy]

when release?
Art 35%=5 х 7 days (2 november) ; programming 100%= 5 х 20 days (22 november); + 3 days for test (25 november);
reply 25 - 28 november

20 days for programming!!

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

He could definitely use a proofreader. He could get better suggestions. Like in the last update v0.130 I was unhappy with the writing as I felt inconsistencies in it and also it being very unconvincing. Maybe it was because he was already off schedule so he rushed with the dialogues. But pretty much every scene had something about its writing that upset me. A proofreader could ensure the consistency in the vocabulary used by characters as well as ensure an overall better written scene.

I don't know how he could feel rushed with the dialogues. It took him 23 days for P&T on v1.30, which had more scenes than this upcoming version, which is one week shy of an entire month to complete.

PS - 5.11.21 - 5.21.21 > 11 Days = 100%
P&T - 5.21.21 - 6.12.21 > 23 Days = 100%
V1.30 released - 6.14.21 > 2 Days of Testing before the release.

L&P was working with a translator (proofreader), which I believe was 6-8 hours or around that, in a different time zone, and he stated that he worked between 8-11 hours a day for v1.30. On average, he was translating roughly 2.5 pages a day. And if you take into consideration this statement,



I'm sure he may have to edit some scenes, but if every scene needs editing... Yeah, then he would need a second pair of eyes on his draft. But there are people, and I am one of those people, on this forum who is speculating that he has an outline or idea drafted on paper and not an actual script, and another person on the forums said he worked with L&P once. He would only send him sentences or phrases at a time (I would need to look up what page that person posted on this forum.) This, if true, would cut into the time significantly for P&T and add to the complexity of P&T based on he doesn't want his "Script" in fear that his story could be leaked.

Overall, If he did feel rushed then it may have been a result of poor planning or procrastination?

 

[Sabertooth__]

I don't know how he could feel rushed with the dialogues. It took him 23 days for P&T on v1.30, which had more scenes than this upcoming version, which is one week shy of an entire month to complete.

PS - 5.11.21 - 5.21.21 > 11 Days = 100%
P&T - 5.21.21 - 6.12.21 > 23 Days = 100%
V1.30 released - 6.14.21 > 2 Days of Testing before the release.

L&P was working with a translator (proofreader), which I believe was 6-8 hours or around that, in a different time zone, and he stated that he worked between 8-11 hours a day for v1.30. On average, he was translating roughly 2.5 pages a day. And if you take into consideration this statement,

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I'm sure he may have to edit some scenes, but if every scene needs editing... Yeah, then he would need a second pair of eyes on his draft. But there are people, and I am one of those people, on this forum who is speculating that he has an outline or idea drafted on paper and not an actual script, and another person on the forums said he worked with L&P once. He would only send him sentences or phrases at a time (I would need to look up what page that person posted on this forum.) This, if true, would cut into the time significantly for P&T and add to the complexity of P&T based on he doesn't want his "Script" in fear that his story could be leaked.

Overall, If he did feel rushed then it may have been a result of poor planning or procrastination?

Things were pretty heated back then, that update was an absolute collapse of planning and management too. Maybe it's not reason. The only thing I am certain of is that almost every scene in the last update made me feel that the writing is weak. It is inconsistent or the vocabulary doesn't suit the character and many other issues.

So from this update all I really wish for from him is to do good writing.

 

[hmc15]

From what I have heard his Patrons wants the two side jobs dropped as they think that it takes up too much time but we shall see

If his Paterons want the game changed then either stop supporting the game or make their own game. Insanity how entitled people become when they're donating $5/month....

Happy L&P is open to suggestions - SOMETIMES - but is focused on delivering HIS PROJECT. When you crowdsource things it quickly becomes a clusterfuc* so let the creator, author, artist, and producer continue making his project the way he wants

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

I don't know how he could feel rushed with the dialogues. It took him 23 days for P&T on v1.30, which had more scenes than this upcoming version, which is one week shy of an entire month to complete.

PS - 5.11.21 - 5.21.21 > 11 Days = 100%
P&T - 5.21.21 - 6.12.21 > 23 Days = 100%
V1.30 released - 6.14.21 > 2 Days of Testing before the release.

L&P was working with a translator (proofreader), which I believe was 6-8 hours or around that, in a different time zone, and he stated that he worked between 8-11 hours a day for v1.30. On average, he was translating roughly 2.5 pages a day. And if you take into consideration this statement,

View attachment 1469792

I'm sure he may have to edit some scenes, but if every scene needs editing... Yeah, then he would need a second pair of eyes on his draft. But there are people, and I am one of those people, on this forum who is speculating that he has an outline or idea drafted on paper and not an actual script, and another person on the forums said he worked with L&P once. He would only send him sentences or phrases at a time (I would need to look up what page that person posted on this forum.) This, if true, would cut into the time significantly for P&T and add to the complexity of P&T based on he doesn't want his "Script" in fear that his story could be leaked.

Overall, If he did feel rushed then it may have been a result of poor planning or procrastination?

I feel like there was a noticable drop in the quality of the script two updates ago. Isn't that when he lost his former proofer? I feel like that was the first time I noticed Engrish creeping into the game. It wasn't horrible, but there were telltale syntax errors that are common with non-native speaking people. This last update seemed to be better, but that makes sense because I think he had a proofreader.

 

[bayrischman]

I have a question. based on this document:
https://attachments.f95zone.to/2019/04/294575_Character_Directory.pdf
Which male hero is the most attractive? (from your point of view).
thanks.

nr. 1 janitor . nr2 ivan . nr.3 blonde guy in fitness. nr.4 two black guys in fitness. nr. 5 logan. nr. 6 liams boss.

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

I feel like there was a noticable drop in the quality of the script two updates ago. Isn't that when he lost his former proofer? I feel like that was the first time I noticed Engrish creeping into the game. It wasn't horrible, but there were telltale syntax errors that are common with non-native speaking people. This last update seemed to be better, but that makes sense because I think he had a proofreader.

I don't know if he lost or removed his proofer, but yeah, the text was horrible at the start. However, the English sentence structure has improved quite a bit. But Engrish was always around from Day 1 in his novel. I know he corrected it when the next version was released. But if what was said by the other poster that he would only send sentences and phrases at a time, which context and word structure would suffer greatly. Also, I understand that L&P knows English well, and I think he even teaches it or has taught it.

 

[Deleted member 3325933]

I have a question. based on this document:
https://attachments.f95zone.to/2019/04/294575_Character_Directory.pdf
Which male hero is the most attractive? (from your point of view).
thanks.

I opened the document and was immediately confused. None of them fill the role of 'Hero' in my mind. This is a personality thing ultimately, not physical. It is one area in his story that is shallow. None of the males seem to be 'Hero' quality. Not even good 'Dad' material. (Neil is an ass with a cheezy goatee and Liam (no matter the route) is focused on career and not family at all. He has a Dad role to play and keeps dumping shit on Sophia. IMO!

DOH! Earlier I had an attempt at humor of L&P reading a post and starting to think of himself as the second George Lucas (Never ending directors cuts and rewrites). Does this weak male character, weak father story line fall into the same Father issues Lucas is known to have. I am terrified to consider the path forward. Aaarrrggh, I said the word! Soap now! Lifebouy even!

And deleted in .....

 

[bayrischman]

can someone make a story when sophia meets logan and tyler in town and she has wild sex with in tyler,s apartment. and the next day the postman asks her because tyler is his nephew and the apartment belongs to the postman.

 

[PietruccioTheHilander]

In terms of attractive males of the game based on this file. I would say Liam, Zac, Dylan and Sam. Rest I don't think are good looking at all.

there are a lot of situation where obscene actions could develop. for example the first sauna scene with ellie and patricia; a teasing action could also be developed there.

 

[Deleted member 3325933]

If his Paterons want the game changed then either stop supporting the game or make their own game. Insanity how entitled people become when they're donating $5/month....

Happy L&P is open to suggestions - SOMETIMES - but is focused on delivering HIS PROJECT. When you crowdsource things it quickly becomes a clusterfuc* so let the creator, author, artist, and producer continue making his project the way he wants

I agree the marketplace can dump him if he does not meet the needs. However. If they are paying him they have the right to ask for certain things to be done certain ways. It does not mean they get it. They have the right to ask. Then it is their choice whether to continue $$$$ or not.

In a simple example. You pay someone to write a story/script for you. There are certain parameters agreed to as a start. Then you see changes you want made. If the writer wants to keep the job (Play, movie, book series whatever) adjustments to the concepts are made to accomodate the person with the cash. The writer may be aghast at the change of vision but, that is what happens when working for someone else.

The patrons are paying him (Max or min machts nichts). You are absolutely correct they can walk. You are absolutely wrong that they cannot request or demand things. It is the nature of having 'skin' in the game. L&P's decision then is: does he accommodate them, convince them otherwise, or place them on ignore. It is how the market works.

And every six months, roughly, he gets a fresh infusion of patrons that hang about for a bit, some stay longer others bolt sooner. It is the game he is banking. IMO

 

[Talcum Powder]

When do you think us plebs will get to play it though if the game completion is in mid November? Early December?

That’s up to the higher tier Patreons but usually it’s here on F95 in less than 12 hours.