VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.215f] [Lust & Passion]

[Old Dog]

As far as I know, Alyssa will have no influence/part with Aiden. Or what do you exactly mean?

I don't know for sure whether Alyssa will play a part in solving the Aiden problem but I think that she has friends who can maybe sort out this problem.

 

[Hlextor]

I don't know for sure whether Alyssa will play a part in solving the Aiden problem but I think that she has friends who can maybe sort out this problem.

I once brought up to L&P that Zac is also in this catch-22 with Aiden. And why should only Sophia have to deal with Aiden? I asked myself this question during the third task. I imagined that maybe Alyssa would also make an appearance here and they would act in pairs. But L&P denied it. She doesn't play a role with Aiden. This is exclusively Sophia's dark path.

 

[Old Dog]

Well that would seem a w

I once brought up to L&P that Zac is also in this catch-22 with Aiden. And why should only Sophia have to deal with Aiden? I asked myself this question during the third task. I imagined that maybe Alyssa would also make an appearance here and they would act in pairs. But L&P denied it. She doesn't play a role with Aiden. This is exclusively Sophia's dark path.

That would seem a waste(to me) of Alyssa.
So Zac/Alyssa are there for corruption points,the same as Vicky/Nat/Julia? So there is really no need for Alyssa to be in the game as other characters could of filled this role.
I don't see how L&P can say that this is a path that this is an exclusively Sophia's dark path since Alyssa/Dylan already know about Aiden and Sophia will ask Morella to deal with Aiden.
The tasks are exclusive to Sophia but the solution is not

 

[Angmir]

And a well written, attractive, male character would hurt this? A woman succumbing to corruption (in part) because of a well written male character that she could (mistakenly) see a future with wouldn't work?

You want a "common housewife finds a prince, and becomes a queen" story,

while this is "A Queen who is allready married to a Prince, degradates herself, and goes fucking arround with lowlifes, old men and kids, cause her prince turned out to be weak in the sack." ;-)

There is a reason why almost all potencial male sexual partners in this game are like that.
It is for the fetish when Beautiful mature sophisticated woman degradates herself and becomes a sexual outlet for men absolutly far below her station.
Look what kind of partners L&P prepared for Sophia - teenage kids, deliquents, decrepid old men, janiotors, hobos - this are all typical for the corruption genre. Sex of georgious successful woman like Sophia with them, is suppose to be humiliating and shocking. The more unqadequate and scandalous they are to her - the better.


I get your frustration, as a woman you clearly have diffrent outlook on those things than L&P and most of male players. Women very much get off from male partners social status, wealth and power, and a vision of life of luxury, security, and happiness, along the man they can be pround of, is probably a bigger turn on than most sexual acts.

I respect that, but unfortunatly - that is not what turns on the male audience, it is not something that is common in those kind of games, and clearly L&P doesn't value it highly eighter. Problem is - not enough women make those games. (And a few I know that make games - are more freaky than most guys ;p - turned on by extreame humiliation, brutal male dominance etc ;p )

But on the brighter side. If you simply looking for atractive respectable male character - there is Don Morelo, and there is also Carl, who I consider most wholesome of the male characters in the game.
Just dont expect cindarella story to happen - I doubt there will be big happy endings.

Cheers ;-)

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

As I remember all Sophia had to do was turn up and Larry would be happy so Sophia didn't have to go that far in the requests from Larry.
As for the no gambling, I still think that Alyssa will have a part to play in solving this,or could this turn into another "Twist"where an event will happen if you only had the debt?
E-mail off L&P concerning the prison visit

Larry is not a new character but just an element on Don Morello's storyline. How happy Sophia will make Larry will play a role later when she thinks about asking Don Morello for help with either Aiden or Bennett. Here, it will be important on how far Sophia went with Larry. She doesn't need to go very far, so that Morello will help her. Because just visiting Larry was already a satisfaction for him. The golar was to make him happy and get rid of the debts.

I don't know how Alyssa will play a role with the First Solution, since she is not supposed to make an appearance until next Tuesday. The First "Comfortable" Solution is tomorrow in the morning. I'm not saying it isn't possible, but right now I would say it's highly unlikely. So I don't know how you can have a "Twist" like episode here. I'm just not seeing it. Sophia does say let me handle this my way first! This could lead to an opening that the Second Solution may involve Alyssa as she follows up with, Otherwise, we do this my way.

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So my expectation is she will go in it alone unless Morello will play a part in it if the casino debt is active on the First Solution. On the Second Solution, I could see Alyssa play a role here.

 

[jason12359]

Well there is 99% probability that the update will come in November.

This will be a real challenge for the non nutters.

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[Old Dog]

I don't know how Alyssa will play a role with the First Solution, since she is not supposed to make an appearance until next Tuesday. The First "Comfortable" Solution is tomorrow in the morning. I'm not saying it isn't possible, but right now I would say it's highly unlikely. So I don't know how you can have a "Twist" like episode here. I'm just not seeing it. Sophia does say let me handle this my way first! This could lead to an opening that the Second Solution may involve Alyssa as she follows up with, Otherwise, we do this my way.

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So my expectation is she will go in it alone unless Morello will play a part in it if the casino debt is active on the First Solution. On the Second Solution, I could see Alyssa play a role here.

After what Hlextor has said it seems that a lot of characters are not really needed including Alyssa/Zac/Vicky/Nat/Hobo's/Mailman/ and the two side jobs.
He could of done this with Amber instead of Alyssa and Sam instead of Zac so dropping Vicky/Nat.
One side job would of done on both routes(refuse/accept Aiden.

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

After what Hlextor has said it seems that a lot of characters are not really needed including Alyssa/Zac/Vicky/Nat/Hobo's/Mailman/ and the two side jobs.
He could of done this with Amber instead of Alyssa and Sam instead of Zac so dropping Vicky/Nat.
One side job would of done on both routes(refuse/accept Aiden.

As I said, most characters are set up to be one-and-done. IMO, that was a waste, but that's how it was set up. Some of them might have a couple more scenes. To me, L&P has three types of groups in his novel.

1. Love Interest (Supporting Cast with Major Plots)
2. Lust (Corruption Builders with some roles to play, Small Plots)
3. One-and-Dones (Corruption Builders, may have two, three, or four scenes at max before they are removed or no longer included)

So... I agree not many characters are not needed as they have only served one purpose.

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

You want a "common housewife finds a prince, and becomes a queen" story,

while this is "A Queen who is allready married to a Prince, degradates herself, and goes fucking arround with lowlifes, old men and kids, cause her prince turned out to be weak in the sack." ;-)

There is a reason why almost all potencial male sexual partners in this game are like that.
It is for the fetish when Beautiful mature sophisticated woman degradates herself and becomes a sexual outlet for men absolutly far below her station.
Look what kind of partners L&P prepared for Sophia - teenage kids, deliquents, decrepid old men, janiotors, hobos - this are all typical for the corruption genre. Sex of georgious successful woman like Sophia with them, is suppose to be humiliating and shocking. The more unqadequate and scandalous they are to her - the better.


I get your frustration, as a woman you clearly have diffrent outlook on those things than L&P and most of male players. Women very much get off from male partners social status, wealth and power, and a vision of life of luxury, security, and happiness, along the man they can be pround of, is probably a bigger turn on than most sexual acts.

I respect that, but unfortunatly - that is not what turns on the male audience, it is not something that is common in those kind of games, and clearly L&P doesn't value it highly eighter. Problem is - not enough women make those games. (And a few I know that make games - are more freaky than most guys ;p - turned on by extreame humiliation, brutal male dominance etc ;p )

But on the brighter side. If you simply looking for atractive respectable male character - there is Don Morelo, and there is also Carl, who I consider most wholesome of the male characters in the game.
Just dont expect cindarella story to happen - I doubt there will be big happy endings.

Cheers ;-)

To be clear, I DO NOT want a "housewife finds a prince" story, in fact I think the FW story will culminate in an extremely dark ending that will leave Sophia with nothing.

And speaking of Don Morello, I think he's the best example of a missed opportunity. He's a male character that hits all the important notes. He's attractive, interesting, and could foreseeable corrupt Sophia in new and interesting ways. You're right that every single corruption game has the same tropes, old men, hobos, blackmail, etc. Why can't one use a good looking, age appropriate, interesting man? Presumably a character like Don Morello could gain a special influence over Sophia that the others couldn't. That's why it's such a shame that he's likely only a minor character. A "indecent proposal" situation would have been fantastic in this game because it could have worked very differently than any of the other corruption storylines. As an example, instead of Sophia inadvertently or reluctantly being corrupted like she is in every other storyline, Sophia could be seduced by Morello's lifestyle and charms. In the process of this seduction, Sophia would overestimate her position, give up more of herself, and in the end receive nothing of comparable value- the whole time damaging her relationship with Liam.

I'm just spitballing an idea. The point is that Morello could have represented an entirely different way to corrupt, degrade, and humiliate Sophia. Where is it written that every single character in these types of games needs to be below the FMC on the social hierarchy in order for the FMC to be corrupted? L&P claims that he wants to do things differently from classic porn games. Well, this was an opportunity to be different and L&P has instead decided that, after months of preparation, the only use for this character is to play a bit part. What a waste.

 

[Hlextor]

What a waste.

We should not throw in the towel with Morello! Let's wait for the next day. I think that there might be another surprising story with him later.

 

[Old Dog]

We should not throw in the towel with Morello! Let's wait for the next day. I think that there might be another surprising story with him later.

You could be right mate,there maybe more to Morello/Larry than just sorting out Aiden/Bennett but I have my doubts.
Unless he throws in a curve ball concerning Liam,who has had to do nothing so far as it has all been on Sophia.

 

[PietruccioTheHilander]

We should not throw in the towel with Morello! Let's wait for the next day. I think that there might be another surprising story with him later.

You could be right mate,there maybe more to Morello/Larry than just sorting out Aiden/Bennett but I have my doubts.
Unless he throws in a curve ball concerning Liam,who has had to do nothing so far as it has all been on Sophia.

we will know everything in 2050

 

[Angmir]

To be clear, I DO NOT want a "housewife finds a prince" story, in fact I think the FW story will culminate in an extremely dark ending that will leave Sophia with nothing.

And speaking of Don Morello, I think he's the best example of a missed opportunity. He's a male character that hits all the important notes. He's attractive, interesting, and could foreseeable corrupt Sophia in new and interesting ways. You're right that every single corruption game has the same tropes, old men, hobos, blackmail, etc. Why can't one use a good looking, age appropriate, interesting man? Presumably a character like Don Morello could gain a special influence over Sophia that the others couldn't. That's why it's such a shame that he's likely only a minor character. A "indecent proposal" situation would have been fantastic in this game because it could have worked very differently than any of the other corruption storylines. As an example, instead of Sophia inadvertently or reluctantly being corrupted like she is in every other storyline, Sophia could be seduced by Morello's lifestyle and charms. In the process of this seduction, Sophia would overestimate her position, give up more of herself, and in the end receive nothing of comparable value- the whole time damaging her relationship with Liam.

I'm just spitballing an idea. The point is that Morello could have represented an entirely different way to corrupt, degrade, and humiliate Sophia. Where is it written that every single character in these types of games needs to be below the FMC on the social hierarchy in order for the FMC to be corrupted? L&P claims that he wants to do things differently from classic porn games. Well, this was an opportunity to be different and L&P has instead decided that, after months of preparation, the only use for this character is to play a bit part. What a waste.

You are right.

But notice that "Indecent Proposal" scenario is mostly female-only fantasy ;-

Man simply dont really dig this trope too much. (well I guess some small number of NTR self-humiliation fans there exist) I personaly am lukewarm to this kind of scenarios. Some men do actualy hate them, as they make them feel inadequate and belitled when confronted by a truely atractive, powerfull and confident man. Seeing the girl with loosers, flawed and ordinary men beeing easier to stomach.

In the end - again - the problem is - this is (like 99,9% of all of them) male audience centered game, made by a man.
;-)

I do feel sorry that it leaves you and other hetero women somewhat dissatisfied, but that's how it is.
Just try to enjoy the corruption parts, and maybe even the Morelo storyline will turn out to be more catered to your tastes. Who knows, maybe it will evolve into a route where Sophia becomes Mistress of the Mafia.

 

[Old Dog]

we will know everything in 2050

Sometime next year we should know the answer

 

[Sabertooth__]

You are right.

But notice that "Indecent Proposal" scenario is mostly female-only fantasy ;-

Man simply dont really dig this trope too much. (well I guess some small number of NTR self-humiliation fans there exist) I personaly am lukewarm to this kind of scenarios. Some men do actualy hate them, as they make them feel inadequate and belitled when confronted by a truely atractive, powerfull and confident man. Seeing the girl with loosers, flawed and ordinary men beeing easier to stomach.

In the end - again - the problem is - this is (like 99,9% of all of them) male audience centered game, made by a man.
;-)

I do feel sorry that it leaves you and other hetero women somewhat dissatisfied, but that's how it is.
Just try to enjoy the corruption parts, and maybe even the Morelo storyline will turn out to be more catered to your tastes. Who knows, maybe it will evolve into a route where Sophia becomes Mistress of the Mafia.

How is an indecent proposal "NTR self humiliation" . I am a guy and have watched tons of such scenarios with debt clearing and mafias involved in porn aspect and I think this idea by GingerSweetGirl is actually great and interesting, a nice take on the scenario. Rather than blackmailing and coercing Sophia to do things to clear the debt it would be better to go with an approach where Sophia gets enamoured by this lifestyle of Morello and misunderstands her position.
You are just projecting your personal likes on the entire male fanbase.

He wants to make this different and much more towards realism. In reality a woman squandering everything just to get dick is something only possible in a porn movie. Every guy to grace the scene will not have an intimate scene with Sophia and this is not your typical corruption game where anything goes.

 

[armion82]

Well there is 99% probability that the update will come in November.

This will be a real challenge for the non nutters.

I doubt that there will be so many sex scenes in the update
Anyone taht want anything going from HJ,BJ,TJ to sex,anal and threesome should check 2 other games that will have an update next month-BADIK and SU.

 

[Angmir]

How is an indecent proposal "NTR self humiliation" . I am a guy and have watched tons of such scenarios with debt clearing and mafias involved in porn aspect and I think this is idea by her is actually great and interesting, a nice take on the scenario. Rather than blackmail it would be better to go with an approach where Sophia misunderstands her position.
You are just projecting your personal likes on a the entire male fanbase.

He wants to make this different and much more towards realism. In reality a woman squandering everything just to get dick is something only possible in a porn movie. Every guy to grace the scene will not have an intimate scene with Sophia and this is not you typical corruption game where anything goes.

Having you wife sell herself to a man that seems superior to you in every way (more successful, handsome, confident, getting away with everything he wants), and seeing how your wife enjoys it - that is super humiliating for any man.

So men who enjoy this type of scenario immersive themself into the husband role are into that.
Ofc you can look at it from 3rd person perspective and not immerse yourself in it. But then it is just one of many NTR scenarios. If that is your thing, then by all means.

I am just saying it is not very popular thing among guys. Especialy those who are not into NTR at all. This kind of people usualy hate good looking, successful men in the games compleatly, if they can't play from the perspective of such man.

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

we will know everything in 2050

That might be too soon. I'm going to go with 2051.

 

[farrah]

That might be too soon. I'm going to go with 2051.

CyberAWAM2077

 

[Angmir]

But who even said about thinking from Liam's perspective. Sophia having sex with street side thugs and old men is also super humiliating if thought from Liam's perspective, even more Dylan's perspective since she is his mother but we don't. It is Sophia's perspective we follow and look at, other people's perspective don't matter in every scene unless L&P explicitly makes a scene showing their perspective, like he did for Dylan and Liam in one event each.

This was about "Immoral Proposition". And kind of men that possibly would like that movie very much.

There seems to be missunderstanding. I just giving up reasons why, the game focuses more on the "ugly bastards"/teen boys than atractive/successful men.