VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.220] [Lust & Passion]

[ancienregimele]

Sam is just a 16 year old guy, so I think it's perfectly normal for him to not have had sex with anyone. His looks could get him in a relationship but maybe he just does not have it in him to actually maintain the relationship. He was pretty cringy in his interaction with Sophia as well. Also not evey girl just gives into getting intimately close to a guy. Maybe his former gf was conservative about this. Or Maybe his relationship didn't last long. There could be numerous factors that could be a cause for him not having had a proper passionate kiss before.

Yes, I can accept that a 16 year old might not have had full sex & that relationships might not last too long but isn't Sam more like 17? Anyway, the exact age is not important here. What I can't believe is that someone like Sam hasn't kissed a girl properly at his stage of life. Surprisingly, given his kissing tally, he goes for a French kiss with Sophia, which he initiates, never having mastered ordinary kissing. [Myself: 1st kiss age 6 (long off-topic story), 1st French kiss age 13 (we taught each other) & I wasn't cookie-cutter handsome like Sam, (Not that I was ugly!)].

Since I am constantly in touch with teenagers, I can tell you that they sure have a lot of confidence. Sam's confidence was primarily because of a successful performance infront of an audience like the bikers.

Again, I understand how confident (& overconfident) teenagers can be & that the concert was the reason for Sam being "full of himself," & it's understandable. I still doubt that this would sufficiently empower him to follow the course he did. This is where, for me, the necessary suspension of disbelief became overused.

I don't think Sam's breast handling skills or sucking skills were supremely praised at all in the scene. Also I think that only happened when Liam was talking with Sophia and so Sophia couldn't immediately stop him. The immorality of the situation could be a reason for the turn on and not the very action by Sam.

He took to his task like a duck to a hot tub & Sophia's reactions were enough to convince the audience that he was no fumbling boy but rather someone who seemed to know exactly what he was doing.

Most important is that Sophia has constantly been teased and edged and then left just like that. Her body will feel good with touches like these and her longing because of being denied starts Playing a huge factor. Add to that the wine which was also mentioned as a cause for what is happening.

This I can believe up to a point but it takes two to tango & the use of wine/alcohol is becoming a trademark for an adult who seems to have near-zero tolerance for the stuff. She knows what it does but carries on anyway.

The things that happened in the scene can be considered more than expected. And I believe towards the end I was feeling that maybe this is going a little overboard and should stop

This was my whole point & I entirely agree. It now falls to Sophia to put an end to this 'secret affair' or knowingly take it further. Now that's what I call awkward.

She put her hand in between and kept Liam's face to the other side, plus with water and from where Liam was standing I can give the benefit of doubt that Sam may not be seen. especially because Liam has no reason to suspect that someone will be in there with Sophia and so wouldn't try to look inside or have any suspicions.

Again, this is where I couldn't really believe it, because Sam is not small & the tub was bathed in light but even accepting the scene, (which we had to do), it was a stretch. What was a massive stretch, however, was the fact that Sam chose this moment to work Sophia's bikini bottoms, rather than curling into the tightest ball he could manage & just concentrating on not moving & holding his breath. That's why I say this lad is incredible.

You mentioned that it resembles nothing like when you were a teenager. Please don't take this negatively, I absolutely mean no disrespect with this but maybe things have changed and it is now a possibility.

I don't take it negatively at all because each generation is different from the previous one & much has changed in half a century. What hasn't changed is that every new generation still thinks that they invented sex & the dynamics between the sexes. If Sam has not even kissed a girl that could be the only semi-logical reason why he still believes everything is possible.

 

[Old Dog]

Yes, I can accept that a 16 year old might not have had full sex & that relationships might not last too long but isn't Sam more like 17? Anyway, the exact age is not important here. What I can't believe is that someone like Sam hasn't kissed a girl properly at his stage of life. Surprisingly, given his kissing tally, he goes for a French kiss with Sophia, which he initiates, never having mastered ordinary kissing. [Myself: 1st kiss age 6 (long off-topic story), 1st French kiss age 13 (we taught each other) & I wasn't cookie-cutter handsome like Sam, (Not that I was ugly!)].




This was my whole point & I entirely agree. It now falls to Sophia to put an end to this 'secret affair' or knowingly take it further. Now that's what I call awkward.

Again, this is where I couldn't really believe it, because Sam is not small & the tub was bathed in light but even accepting the scene, (which we had to do), it was a stretch. What was a massive stretch, however, was the fact that Sam chose this moment to work Sophia's bikini bottoms, rather than curling into the tightest ball he could manage & just concentrating on not moving & holding his breath. That's why I say this lad is incredible.

I don't take it negatively at all because each generation is different from the previous one & much has changed in half a century. What hasn't changed is that every new generation still thinks that they invented sex & the dynamics between the sexes. If Sam has not even kissed a girl that could be the only semi-logical reason why he still believes everything is possible.

Unless it is a very small scene then Sophia maybe will talk to Sam about the hot tub incident in the afternoon and not in the morning like she thought,which is why I think that Zac maybe involved in the bonus scene but I am probably way off the mark here.

 

[Alley_Cat]

Yes, I can accept that a 16 year old might not have had full sex & that relationships might not last too long but isn't Sam more like 17? Anyway, the exact age is not important here. What I can't believe is that someone like Sam hasn't kissed a girl properly at his stage of life. Surprisingly, given his kissing tally, he goes for a French kiss with Sophia, which he initiates, never having mastered ordinary kissing. [Myself: 1st kiss age 6 (long off-topic story), 1st French kiss age 13 (we taught each other) & I wasn't cookie-cutter handsome like Sam, (Not that I was ugly!)].




This was my whole point & I entirely agree. It now falls to Sophia to put an end to this 'secret affair' or knowingly take it further. Now that's what I call awkward.

Again, this is where I couldn't really believe it, because Sam is not small & the tub was bathed in light but even accepting the scene, (which we had to do), it was a stretch. What was a massive stretch, however, was the fact that Sam chose this moment to work Sophia's bikini bottoms, rather than curling into the tightest ball he could manage & just concentrating on not moving & holding his breath. That's why I say this lad is incredible.

I don't take it negatively at all because each generation is different from the previous one & much has changed in half a century. What hasn't changed is that every new generation still thinks that they invented sex & the dynamics between the sexes. If Sam has not even kissed a girl that could be the only semi-logical reason why he still believes everything is possible.

Where is this information that Sam has never kissed a girl before coming from? I know he's definitely had girlfriends before, his last was five months ago. So him not kissing a girl before sounds odd.

Jules, I understand, since she's still pretty much in the closet. Sam, not so much.

 

[Old Dog]

Sam got as far as walking the girl to her front door and that is it nothing more

 

[hzjujk]

I believe Logan, Sam and Jules will be the three branches of the Ellie route, so each will get their chance with Ellie. Dylan, I don't believe so, and that the bonus storyline is more about setting Dylan up with Christine.

As I've said before, in the Ellie route there hasn't been any cooling of her disdain for Dylan, and I don't see that changing soon. And I don't see L&P possibly risking his Patron income by introducing an incest scene before any Sophia/Dylan scene

In my opinion, the event with Christine was primarily aimed at improving the relationship with Elli. Only when Elli's friends start accepting Dylan can Dylan leave the valley of Ellis' contempt more quickly. The following events, of which we have so far known, suggest that there might be a sexual component between Dylan and Elli. A good relationship between brother and sister is also necessary if the other is to accept the love affair with Sophia. That's why I don't see the sexual path between Dylan and Elli as yet proven.
In my opinion, the experience with Christine also serves the purpose of removing Dylan's total fixation on his mother. For the first time in his life, Dylan experiences that several girls, a little older but almost his age, seem to be interested in him. Although Christine only played with him when she flirted with Dylan, it wasn't that she didn't enjoy and accept his admiration. Dylan was then able to "bid" his mother down without the usual whining and haggling over a compensation event.
It is quite possible that Sophia will trigger her son at the upcoming event at the hairdresser's appointment, this time actively to focus more on her again.

 

[Old Dog]

In my opinion, the event with Christine was primarily aimed at improving the relationship with Elli. Only when Elli's friends start accepting Dylan can Dylan leave the valley of Ellis' contempt more quickly. The following events, of which we have so far known, suggest that there might be a sexual component between Dylan and Elli. A good relationship between brother and sister is also necessary if the other is to accept the love affair with Sophia. That's why I don't see the sexual path between Dylan and Elli as yet proven.
In my opinion, the experience with Christine also serves the purpose of removing Dylan's total fixation on his mother. For the first time in his life, Dylan experiences that several girls, a little older but almost his age, seem to be interested in him. Although Christine only played with him when she flirted with Dylan, it wasn't that she didn't enjoy and accept his admiration. Dylan was then able to "bid" his mother down without the usual whining and haggling over a compensation event.
It is quite possible that Sophia will trigger her son at the upcoming event at the hairdresser's appointment, this time actively to focus more on her again.

I also don't see the sexual path between Dylan and Elli but that is just my personal opinion.
I think that branching will be Logan/Ellie and Sophia playing a part

 

[ancienregimele]

Where is this information that Sam has never kissed a girl before coming from? I know he's definitely had girlfriends before, his last was five months ago. So him not kissing a girl before sounds odd.

Jules, I understand, since she's still pretty much in the closet. Sam, not so much.

It's information Sophia extracts from him in the hot tub conversation & Sam admits that what has happened with him so far resembles the "confidence booster" kiss Sophia gave him before the bar gig.

 

[Alley_Cat]

In my opinion, the event with Christine was primarily aimed at improving the relationship with Elli. Only when Elli's friends start accepting Dylan can Dylan leave the valley of Ellis' contempt more quickly. The following events, of which we have so far known, suggest that there might be a sexual component between Dylan and Elli. A good relationship between brother and sister is also necessary if the other is to accept the love affair with Sophia. That's why I don't see the sexual path between Dylan and Elli as yet proven.
In my opinion, the experience with Christine also serves the purpose of removing Dylan's total fixation on his mother. For the first time in his life, Dylan experiences that several girls, a little older but almost his age, seem to be interested in him. Although Christine only played with him when she flirted with Dylan, it wasn't that she didn't enjoy and accept his admiration. Dylan was then able to "bid" his mother down without the usual whining and haggling over a compensation event.
It is quite possible that Sophia will trigger her son at the upcoming event at the hairdresser's appointment, this time actively to focus more on her again.

I believe the salon event on playable day 13 will be about Dylan/Marie. Especially since Marie considers Dylan a "cutie". And that the only way for her not to is for Dylan to be a complete "moron" (Patricia's word) during their initial conversation.

 

[ancienregimele]

Firstly, I never thought her breasts were too big and I don’t understand those who don’t like it.

Then you'll never understand me because I hate it. What I particularly detest is the way she went from having a proportionate figure to growing into the shape of the typical gaming MILF stereotype. Why tamper with perfection? My enjoyment of this VN has declined proportionately with the several changes to the MC's bust size.

I've posted so much on this, even I'm tired of it. She told the movers she was a 36b, which was true back then. That is NOT small but it seems that her nicely ample breasts were not suiting some folks? Was it the Dev, the fans, both & again we'll never know. IMO AWAM took a step away from realism into becoming just another tweenagers porn game. What should ideally happen is for the movers scene to be altered & have them informed of how she's a 44DD.

Big-busted women who are also games teachers are very believable to me because there were two at my school. One of them was for some time my form/class teacher & all us boy tweenagers fancied her like crazy. Sophia, however practices sports that tend to decrease bust size, offspring notwithstanding. Basketball, swimming, jogging, yoga, on their own might have little effect but together, regularly?? Check out some speed swimmers, track stars, women footballers etc.

I could write another essay on this but I'll leave it there & just say that I'm well aware of how beautiful big breasted women can be because I went out with some but we're talking about a specific character, who, IMO, is now top-heavy.

 

[Alley_Cat]

Then you'll never understand me because I hate it. What I particularly detest is the way she went from having a proportionate figure to growing into the shape of the typical gaming MILF stereotype. Why tamper with perfection? My enjoyment of this VN has declined proportionately with the several changes to the MC's bust size.

I've posted so much on this, even I'm tired of it. She told the movers she was a 36b, which was true back then. That is NOT small but it seems that her nicely ample breasts were not suiting some folks? Was it the Dev, the fans, both & again we'll never know. IMO AWAM took a step away from realism into becoming just another tweenagers porn game. What should ideally happen is for the movers scene to be altered & have them informed of how she's a 44DD.

Big-busted women who are also games teachers are very believable to me because there were two at my school. One of them was for some time my form/class teacher & all us boy tweenagers fancied her like crazy. Sophia, however practices sports that tend to decrease bust size, offspring notwithstanding. Basketball, swimming, jogging, yoga, on their own might have little effect but together, regularly?? Check out some speed swimmers, track stars, women footballers etc.

I could write another essay on this but I'll leave it there & just say that I'm well aware of how beautiful big breasted women can be because I went out with some but we're talking about a specific character, who, IMO, is now top-heavy.

Sophia told the movers (and Ellie) she's 36D, not B. And from memory Ellie is 32C

 

[Old Dog]

Then you'll never understand me because I hate it. What I particularly detest is the way she went from having a proportionate figure to growing into the shape of the typical gaming MILF stereotype. Why tamper with perfection? My enjoyment of this VN has declined proportionately with the several changes to the MC's bust size.

I've posted so much on this, even I'm tired of it. She told the movers she was a 36b, which was true back then. That is NOT small but it seems that her nicely ample breasts were not suiting some folks? Was it the Dev, the fans, both & again we'll never know. IMO AWAM took a step away from realism into becoming just another tweenagers porn game. What should ideally happen is for the movers scene to be altered & have them informed of how she's a 44DD.

Big-busted women who are also games teachers are very believable to me because there were two at my school. One of them was for some time my form/class teacher & all us boy tweenagers fancied her like crazy. Sophia, however practices sports that tend to decrease bust size, offspring notwithstanding. Basketball, swimming, jogging, yoga, on their own might have little effect but together, regularly?? Check out some speed swimmers, track stars, women footballers etc.

I could write another essay on this but I'll leave it there & just say that I'm well aware of how beautiful big breasted women can be because I went out with some but we're talking about a specific character, who, IMO, is now top-heavy.

I agree with you that AwAm is turning into just another run of the mill porn/VN game.
AwAm was a great game but it has lost its way and that is sad.

 

[Bane71]

Then you'll never understand me because I hate it. What I particularly detest is the way she went from having a proportionate figure to growing into the shape of the typical gaming MILF stereotype. Why tamper with perfection? My enjoyment of this VN has declined proportionately with the several changes to the MC's bust size.

I've posted so much on this, even I'm tired of it. She told the movers she was a 36b, which was true back then. That is NOT small but it seems that her nicely ample breasts were not suiting some folks? Was it the Dev, the fans, both & again we'll never know. IMO AWAM took a step away from realism into becoming just another tweenagers porn game. What should ideally happen is for the movers scene to be altered & have them informed of how she's a 44DD.

Big-busted women who are also games teachers are very believable to me because there were two at my school. One of them was for some time my form/class teacher & all us boy tweenagers fancied her like crazy. Sophia, however practices sports that tend to decrease bust size, offspring notwithstanding. Basketball, swimming, jogging, yoga, on their own might have little effect but together, regularly?? Check out some speed swimmers, track stars, women footballers etc.

I could write another essay on this but I'll leave it there & just say that I'm well aware of how beautiful big breasted women can be because I went out with some but we're talking about a specific character, who, IMO, is now top-heavy.

I can understand you, my friend, but it seems to me that you should not take the game too seriously, expect realism from it.
I think L&P should not have voiced its thesis about striving for realism.
He could do it with this aspiration in his head, but not to voice it. Now, this greatly harms him and the players, they have an inflated expectation. But it's impossible, it's just a game.

But in the photo the woman has very beautiful breasts, I hope you agree with me?

 

[Lio.k01]

I believe Logan, Sam and Jules will be the three branches of the Ellie route, so each will get their chance with Ellie. Dylan, I don't believe so, and that the bonus storyline is more about setting Dylan up with Christine.

As I've said before, in the Ellie route there hasn't been any cooling of her disdain for Dylan, and I don't see that changing soon. And I don't see L&P possibly risking his Patron income by introducing an incest scene before any Sophia/Dylan scene

in other words, Ellie will always hate Dylan, yeah! Why is she so interesting? Doesn't this sheep understand that he is her brother ... even if everyone spreads Sophia's legs ... Ellie and the relationship with Dylan will not change. it sucks ... even Ellie will be raped, Dylan won't save her ... right ?! personally, I would not save a sister like that .. what do you think?

 

[hzjujk]

I believe the salon event on playable day 13 will be about Dylan/Marie. Especially since Marie considers Dylan a "cutie". And that the only way for her not to is for Dylan to be a complete "moron" (Patricia's word) during their initial conversation.

Yes, you could be right. Something like Christine and Dylan's basketball event. For me it would be dead boring or only interesting if Marie gave Dylan a hand job so that he could concentrate on martial arts, and Sophia happened to watch it. But I also hope not a pure Sophia / Marie event. Better something like "The Choice of Paris" with Dylan in the role of Paris. With three women who want to show their best side. And no matter what Dylan does or which woman wins, he's the big loser.

 

[Old Dog]

So Dylan could be a very busy boy on Playable day 13 with him coming home from boarding school( If sent away,Noon event) and the salon event(Afternoon)how will he cope?
Sam/Sophia event is before the Sophia/Claire/Maria/Dylan event so I wonder how much of an affect the Sam could have on Sophia?

 

[PietruccioTheHilander]

But in the photo the woman has very beautiful breasts, I hope you agree with me?

the woman is probably breastfeeding the baby, so the breasts are more swollen

 

[nexer]

So Dylan could be a very busy boy on Playable day 13 with him coming home from boarding school( If sent away,Noon event) and the salon event(Afternoon)how will he cope?
Sam/Sophia event is before the Sophia/Claire/Maria/Dylan event so I wonder how much of an affect the Sam could have on Sophia?

That's the highest compliment you can pay Dylan.
And I like the sound of it: "very busy boy". The expression doesn't say much if you take it out of context. But context is for kings

 

[Alley_Cat]

in other words, Ellie will always hate Dylan, yeah! Why is she so interesting? Doesn't this sheep understand that he is her brother ... even if everyone spreads Sophia's legs ... Ellie and the relationship with Dylan will not change. it sucks ... even Ellie will be raped, Dylan won't save her ... right ?! personally, I would not save a sister like that .. what do you think?

I never said that Ellie will always hate Dylan. I would actually like to see their relationship improve. I just don't see it ending up in a sexual relationship. Especially since if you're playing the Ellie route, she's having far more fun with Jules.

I just believe it will take longer for their relationship to get to amicable levels before the bonus storyline is due to finish on playable day 16. On the bonus storyline route she does attempt to poison him after all.

Yes, you could be right. Something like Christine and Dylan's basketball event. For me it would be dead boring or only interesting if Marie gave Dylan a hand job so that he could concentrate on martial arts, and Sophia happened to watch it. But I also hope not a pure Sophia / Marie event. Better something like "The Choice of Paris" with Dylan in the role of Paris. With three women who want to show their best side. And no matter what Dylan does or which woman wins, he's the big loser.

A handjob at the salon? I don't think that's likely, especially if you consider that for those that played the Alyssa event, Marie hasn't even met Dylan yet. And there's the path where Dylan didn't answer Marie's questions properly.

So considering there's three different versions of the event, I think the event itself will be small, but all setting up for Dylan to be on good terms with Marie, so that in a future event, possibly even on Saturday, then they can get up to mischief. Sophia's going to be out of the house for the museum date after all.

 

[Deleted member 3325933]

There are going to be 10 updates in PD 13, so it's more like 1/3 day to 1/10.

If the updates are around 150 renders, then progress should be about 5% per day

Ultimately the graphs are nice. However, as I believe we all know, the proof that matters is the change in actual production rate. Will he get to a PD per year or better. I think Alley_Cat reference to 1/10th is, unfortunately, going to be way too accurate. This very update (as a significant percentage of the day) will be the precursor. By the end of February all the concerns, or attitudes, will be answered.

 

[Sabertooth__]

Yes, I can accept that a 16 year old might not have had full sex & that relationships might not last too long but isn't Sam more like 17? Anyway, the exact age is not important here. What I can't believe is that someone like Sam hasn't kissed a girl properly at his stage of life. Surprisingly, given his kissing tally, he goes for a French kiss with Sophia, which he initiates, never having mastered ordinary kissing. [Myself: 1st kiss age 6 (long off-topic story), 1st French kiss age 13 (we taught each other) & I wasn't cookie-cutter handsome like Sam, (Not that I was ugly!)].




This was my whole point & I entirely agree. It now falls to Sophia to put an end to this 'secret affair' or knowingly take it further. Now that's what I call awkward.

I don't take it negatively at all because each generation is different from the previous one & much has changed in half a century. What hasn't changed is that every new generation still thinks that they invented sex & the dynamics between the sexes. If Sam has not even kissed a girl that could be the only semi-logical reason why he still believes everything is possible.

I can just tell you that when I was 16 the only kiss I had ever gotten was on the cheek. Similar was the case with most of my friends back then. So I don't have any problem believing that, infact it is more relatable to me.

For Sam this could be a once in a lifetime kiss for him with Sophia, the woman he desires. Will he really care about his inadequacies. He will do everything he has heard or seen. French kisses are common these days. Similarly popularized are kisses on the neck. So a teen of his age who has seen all of this will try it definitely. That's how I see it. It was never said that Sam is an expert kisser either. So it's all about doing whatever he can. His other actions also support this notion as he tries to fondle her, kiss her all over, suck on her breasts. He tried to do everything he could. Which to me is the most normal thing a teen would do when given an opportunity like this with his most desired woman.

This was my whole point & I entirely agree. It now falls to Sophia to put an end to this 'secret affair' or knowingly take it further. Now that's what I call awkward.

What will happen in the next scene will decide whether it will be logical or not. As of now I am just happy that the fear of almost being caught made her wish she never did any of it. Which was realistic to me.

Again, this is where I couldn't really believe it, because Sam is not small & the tub was bathed in light but even accepting the scene, (which we had to do), it was a stretch. What was a massive stretch, however, was the fact that Sam chose this moment to work Sophia's bikini bottoms, rather than curling into the tightest ball he could manage & just concentrating on not moving & holding his breath. That's why I say this lad is incredible.

The edge was quite thick honestly, there is seating space plus the thickness of the tub. Sam was beyond that and stuck as close as possible to Sophia as well, he had to keep his head low anyways, plus you are playing a erotic novel ofcourse if his head is there he will try something. Add to that that Liam's view was completely blocked and as he is released from the kiss he was immediately pushed back to get the phone


There is no way for Liam to see anything here



This render is an in motion render whose description says that "Sophia pushes away Liam and tells him to get her phone" ( you can verify this by extracting the image and seeing what it is named as ) thereby not giving Liam time to look in the tub, as the kiss breaks he is sent away, if this were in a video format might have been much easier to accept I believe, plus no reason to suspect any person inside the tub, also refraction could be playing an additional factor, and Sophia hurrying him to get her phone. I can easily accept this and not make a huge deal out of it.