VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.215f] [Lust & Passion]

[Bane71]

A savvy restauranteur in that situation, who was profitable, would look to improve service, no?

I do not know why you do not understand this, but people have different approaches to conducting their affairs. Someone does not change anything for years, they only make plans for the future, someone, on the contrary, is constantly changing something.
But if we continue this analogy, then L&P has quite a lot of visitors who leisurely enjoy its cuisine, observing the hustle and bustle of some strange, but regular visitors, who restlessly make some pretensions and demands on the extravagant owner of this unusual restaurant.

In any case, I wish everyone to enjoy the cuisine. It just seems to me that if visitors do not bring negativity into the institution, then it will be much more pleasant and comfortable for them to be here.

 

[L&P's Father-in-Law]

-Waiter, please give me this, this and this dish and this drink. And quickly!
-Damn it, where is the damn waiter, why is it taking so long?
-Call the manager to me!
-What, he's not here? Hand me the complaint book!

This forum reminds me of the complaint book of a restaurant in which the head, chef, bartender, waiter and cleaner are represented by one person! And despite the fact that visitors know this perfectly well and understand the reason that they have to wait for their dish for a long time, they come back again and again and again, make an entry in the complaint book.

Even 5* restaurants & chefs accept suggestions. What they don't have is other clients telling complaining clients to shut up

Your (and not only yours) crusade of trying to shut people up here is starting to be pathetic.
Stop trying to police the thread in your favour. If you don't accept other opinions, then go somewhere else, last time I checked people can say whatever they want in here, within the rules.

 

[L&P's Father-in-Law]

You will have to wait and see what the big surprise is or the sense of it I should say
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In his previous message:

"So, I very much hope this works out the way I planned then you will already see the result in the next update"

So, we're seeing the result in the next update or after the next update?

 

[hzjujk]

Nah. This will never be finished and Bane will still be running over here and defending him.

No, he objects. He certainly agrees with his critics on a number of points. But that is mostly ignored and only the point or points are picked out that look like a red rag for the critics. And that he contradicts again and again is due to the fact that if you follow this thread this would not mean a contradiction, that his critics would run amok and incite themselves to ever new heights of accusations and insults.

 

[Deleted member 3325933]

I might point out that we don't have freedom of speech here. And even in my cuntry Australia we don't. Hell, I might get into shit for calling it cuntry.

There are plenty of times I've wanted to call people out for bullshit, but I've held my tongue, because it's too close to breaking rule 1.1

Not complaining, but them's the rules

Freedom of speech here is qualified yes. But, as long as you don't worry about getting deleted you can be fairly honest as long as you are not profane or threatening.

Granted, I am working on a helmet, based on a metal colander, that allows me to derive the GPS location, to 10 digits, of those that cross me.

 

[lockerxx]

You will have to wait and see what the big surprise is or the sense of it I should say
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the "Surprise event" i got nothing

 

[Talcum Powder]

I do not know why you do not understand this, but people have different approaches to conducting their affairs. Someone does not change anything for years, they only make plans for the future, someone, on the contrary, is constantly changing something.
But if we continue this analogy, then L&P has quite a lot of visitors who leisurely enjoy its cuisine, observing the hustle and bustle of some strange, but regular visitors, who restlessly make some pretensions and demands on the extravagant owner of this unusual restaurant.

In any case, I wish everyone to enjoy the cuisine. It just seems to me that if visitors do not bring negativity into the institution, then it will be much more pleasant and comfortable for them to be here.

I do not know why you think I don't understand. Of course I understand, your analogy is not bad but it is off. You are presenting it as if the restauranteur is troubled by this or the complaints book is a problem for him. If the restauranteur wants the complaints to stop then they should address the complaints through improved service. If the restauranteur does not intend to address the complaints then the restauranteur should not be concerned with them at all.

The analogy is off, in that the complaint book is not inside the restaurant and complaints are not being solicited by the restauranteur, it's outside the restaurant on a public online forum.

If the restauranteur is within their rights to ignore the external complaints book, which they are, and they are ignoring the external complaints book, and this one definitely is, surely someone who is perusing the public forum refuting the complaints and defending the restauranteur who has demonstrated, for years now, that they have no intention of addressing the complaint book, is serving a function with as much utility as un-funny comic releif.

 

[Deleted member 3325933]

A savvy restauranteur in that situation, who was profitable, would look to improve service, no?

Well, he would or the creditors would be in his face. no?

 

[Talcum Powder]

Well, he would or the creditors would be in his face. no?

IRL, investors and creditors would definitely not want to be associated with a lot of negative press. But this scenario is really not applicable: Patreon and similar platforms exist precisely to provide creative freedom to creators. Instead of relying on a very small number of high-dollar investors their backing is spread across hundreds and thousands of individuals who have no effective means of coalescing power and influence - and that's a good thing for the creative world.

You could point to the forum on the Patreon site I suppose, as a place where supporters can coalesce. If I'm not mistaken (I might be) the owner of the Patreon site has full discretion on the site, and can mask or delete posts and entire sub-threads. If that assumption is correct then it would completely undercut the notion that there is genuine free discussion there. Even if the site-owner isn't curating the chat, and I don't know if L&P does and I'm not suggesting he does, the ability to do so undercuts the credibility of that forum.

Just so we're 100% clear on that last point, a conversation that can be moderated by the subject of the conversation is inherently suspect, even if it is, in actuality, free, open and honest.

 

[Journey95]

This is basically blueballing the game..really don't get why people pay for it. There is a lot of potential here, I like that the MC doesn't become a slut that fast but its been 4+ years now and the pacing is just unbearable.

There should be a balance here

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

It seems to me that it's not what people expect from the game and what kind of fetish they are interested in, but the fact that they lack basic patience!
Rudeness and accusations against L&P are caused precisely by a lack of patience, I think so.

I don't think it's fair, or accurate, in any way to accuse any regular member of this thread as "impatient". No one is demanding Sophia have sex in the next update, or even in the next Playable Day. As an extension, no one is asking for sex in the next year, even if updates were released quicker. Everyone here knows the deal, we know this is a slow burn and that it's geared more towards eroticism than pornography. Every single thread-regular knows this. Many of the regulars have played this game for years and some supported L&P on Patreon.

The point is, it is dismissive and reductive to brush aside criticism by accusing critics of being impatient. I don't think anyone who waits months for an update can fairly be accused of impatience.

Speaking for myself, I'm fine with the delay itself, my problem is purely in the communication. I've always figured we'd get the next update in late January. The holidays are crazy, and I don't have a problem with any dev taking time off to spend with family. If he had said that I wouldn't have commented at all.

But he didn't. He went off on a vague discussion about new hardware.

The fundamental question is this: do you think his announcement was satisfactory? If you think it was then there's really nothing for us to discuss because I can't fathom how anyone could find it anything but extremely unsatisfactory. I look at the devs I support on Patreon, and none communicate like L&P.

If you don't see his approach to communications as fundamentally poor, and if you aren't troubled by the patterns we're seeing, then we may as well just ignore one another. We're just too far apart on this issue and I don't think any amount of direct discussion will slide that gap. I hope we aren't that far apart.

You used the word "patience" to dismiss criticism, but I think the word you really should have used was "faith". You are clearly dedicated to this game and to L&P's vision of it. I suspect that you assume he's acting in good faith in every matter, so when her says he has something big planned you trust him. I don't share that faith.

 

[hzjujk]

I don't think it's fair, or accurate, in any way to accuse any regular member of this thread as "impatient". No one is demanding Sophia have sex in the next update, or even in the next Playable Day. As an extension, no one is asking for sex in the next year, even if updates were released quicker. Everyone here knows the deal, we know this is a slow burn and that it's geared more towards eroticism than pornography. Every single thread-regular knows this. Many of the regulars have played this game for years and some supported L&P on Patreon.

The point is, it is dismissive and reductive to brush aside criticism by accusing critics of being impatient. I don't think anyone who waits months for an update can fairly be accused of impatience.

Speaking for myself, I'm fine with the delay itself, my problem is purely in the communication. I've always figured we'd get the next update in late January. The holidays are crazy, and I don't have a problem with any dev taking time off to spend with family. If he had said that I wouldn't have commented at all.

But he didn't. He went off on a vague discussion about new hardware.

The fundamental question is this: do you think his announcement was satisfactory? If you think it was then there's really nothing for us to discuss because I can't fathom how anyone could find it anything but extremely unsatisfactory. I look at the devs I support on Patreon, and none communicate like L&P.

If you don't see his approach to communications as fundamentally poor, and if you aren't troubled by the patterns we're seeing, then we may as well just ignore one another. We're just too far apart on this issue and I don't think any amount of direct discussion will slide that gap. I hope we aren't that far apart.

You used the word "patience" to dismiss criticism, but I think the word you really should have used was "faith". You are clearly dedicated to this game and to L&P's vision of it. I suspect that you assume he's acting in good faith in every matter, so when her says he has something big planned you trust him. I don't share that faith.

This whole discussion is completely pointless. We are no longer just discussing and commenting on the game and the developer's communication problem, no, we are now beginning - again - to deal with ourselves. Discuss what is his opinion and what is not, excite us with the word "patience" that says nothing more "Let's wait a little longer and then judge" and turn it into a crusade. Let's step back a little and see what we're arguing about - a porn game. No high art, no political or social issue. Right now I can understand abram1 post who just laughs and scoffs at us.

 

[Deleted member 3325933]

I don't think it's fair, or accurate, in any way to accuse any regular member of this thread as "impatient". No one is demanding Sophia have sex in the next update, or even in the next Playable Day. As an extension, no one is asking for sex in the next year, even if updates were released quicker. Everyone here knows the deal, we know this is a slow burn and that it's geared more towards eroticism than pornography. Every single thread-regular knows this. Many of the regulars have played this game for years and some supported L&P on Patreon.

The point is, it is dismissive and reductive to brush aside criticism by accusing critics of being impatient. I don't think anyone who waits months for an update can fairly be accused of impatience.

Speaking for myself, I'm fine with the delay itself, my problem is purely in the communication. I've always figured we'd get the next update in late January. The holidays are crazy, and I don't have a problem with any dev taking time off to spend with family. If he had said that I wouldn't have commented at all.

But he didn't. He went off on a vague discussion about new hardware.

The fundamental question is this: do you think his announcement was satisfactory? If you think it was then there's really nothing for us to discuss because I can't fathom how anyone could find it anything but extremely unsatisfactory. I look at the devs I support on Patreon, and none communicate like L&P.

If you don't see his approach to communications as fundamentally poor, and if you aren't troubled by the patterns we're seeing, then we may as well just ignore one another. We're just too far apart on this issue and I don't think any amount of direct discussion will slide that gap. I hope we aren't that far apart.

You used the word "patience" to dismiss criticism, but I think the word you really should have used was "faith". You are clearly dedicated to this game and to L&P's vision of it. I suspect that you assume he's acting in good faith in every matter, so when her says he has something big planned you trust him. I don't share that faith.

What she said!

 

[pcaf]

They go to a restaurant and order food, they don't like it and think it was really bad, they create a ruckus, make their complaint be known and then leave only to come back next day insult the restaurant again then shamelessly order food there itself, eat it, get the same taste, complain about it and the cycle goes on for them.

Just wanna point out that people keep coming back because they do like the food. What they complain about is the services around it and despite the restaurant promising it will improve, it hasn't. And there's genuine worry that eventually they might not be able to enjoy their favorite food any longer in the future. That's closer to how I would describe this whole mess but IMO this is not a very good analogy to start with.

 

[lockerxx]

this is why they come back:

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ass and tits

 

[Sabertooth__]

Just wanna point out that people keep coming back because they do like the food. What they complain about is the services around it and despite the restaurant promising it will improve, it hasn't. And there's genuine worry that eventually they might not be able to enjoy their favorite food any longer in the future. That's closer to how I would describe this whole mess but IMO this is not a very good analogy to start with.

You have 1000's of restaurants to choose from. Infact the others provide the "gourmet" that most complain about not being here. This isn't the only restaurant available you see. There are some real big players out there. Also when the service is not good and the manager rude to you, would you still want to sit there and eat. Secondly continuing this further the manager has stopped listening to anyone's complaints or suggestions here because 90% percent of them are just driven by hatred and not to provide anything constructive to the topic.

Let alone all of this. I have clearly mentioned, people who genuinely worry and know how to express a grievance are also here. And I have no issues with them There are issues, they should also be discussed but not with a tone and words that is disrespectful to the very person making this game. But the people this message is aimed at are the trolls, the ones who only come in here to slander, who only want to mock at every opportunity they get. Spread false information, create animosity. Who keep saying the same thing again and again like a record on loop even though they are aware that nothing will change because of it since they have already driven away the person who could implement those suggestions.

You can tell by the messages themselves who actually worries about the game and who is here just to pass negative statements. Not just the development pace or the developer but everything from the content, the renders, everything has been made a mockery of. All this thread can successfully do with these messages is get L&P to stop working on this game all together if he follows what is written here. This kind of toxicity is mentally unhealthy for any person creating something.

 

[oshikuru]

this is why they come back:

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ass and tits

I wanna see her with a full bush.

 

[PietruccioTheHilander]

no progress today?

 

[Hlextor]

no progress today?

People ... were to rest every seventh day (Ex. 23:10-12)

 

[lockerxx]

no progress today?

maybe later.i miss the "is moving"