VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.220] [Lust & Passion]

[hzjujk]

I think points 1-3 are definitely interesting, we don't know if he already has the 12 tasks completely defined or as you suggest he already planned to drop them at some point in the story.

For me your point 4 is the most important and interesting, though. So far it *seems* that the motivation is mostly driven by the humiliation of the "power figure" of the teacher, rather than just pure lust. It makes sense given the character background and the context. But I think it would benefit the story to know a little bit more from his background. We had brief hint during the 3rd task when they talked about the "special" program and Xavier but he cut the explanation short.

Knowing a little bit more about the past could help to have a more dynamic arc in this path and even for the character himself. I don't know which narrative device can be used to achieve that, but as I said in a previous post I doubt that there will be so many tasks inside the classroom, as it is a limited environment especially if we want to keep the story "believable". So alternating classroom with out-of-school tasks could be exploited to learn a little bit more about him, his motivations and possibly evolving the character during the tasks.
And here it comes the role of a good writer, if he ever manage to get a good writer to help him that could be one of the (many) aspects worth to better explore.

As I said, Aiden and Xavier know each other. For me it means that as a behavioral (and criminal) teenager, Aiden had to attend a course with Xavier. Whether Xavier was corrupted by Aiden remains to be seen. In any case, Aiden is known to the police and I think he has something like "probation". Even if his uncle protects him, he cannot act with Sophia as he would like.
As far as the commitment of a good writer is concerned, I am skeptical whether this would change anything about the Aiden Route. Maybe the content of the dialogue and a few inner monologues. But I think the Aiden Route in particular is pretty well worked out because this path seems to be a central point for the whole story. A new author wouldn't change that.

 

[PietruccioTheHilander]

Any idea what's on next update?

nothing

 

[Talcum Powder]

So much good convo today!
Even those espousing an opinion on Aiden's motivation and what his ultimate goal is are non-committal. We get a fair amount of "I think it's not lust but rather domination/humiliation" but the fact that even those invested in the Aiden route can't nail down why he's doing this is a sort of failing from L&P - not a major failure, but still a shortcoming. We know what Aiden is doing and the effect it has on Sophia but we really don't know why he's motivated to do this.

Let's step back and ask ourselves, on what planet does it occur to a 17/18 year old, who has just decided they want to sexually humiliate/dominate their teacher, that the best way to accomplish that is to beat up her son and then attempt to extort her into performing a bunch of individualized tasks in public.

And, I like what GingerSweetGirl said about the school events feeling disconnected from the rest of the story, not that I think it's a problem but more of a missed opportunity.

 

[nexer]

I think the big question on Aiden's route is whether Sophia succumbs? And if so, when?

If it's too soon we'll have a sex slave which can be boring. And the moment doesn't seem to be too close judging by Sophia's upset after her 3rd task.

In the inner mechanics of sexual blackmail, I think the blackmailer wants the victim to admit to feeling pleasure, to make her admit to it.

What I mean by this is that I expect Aiden's tasks to put Sophia in a position to either admit or react unequivocally. Saying it on words I think will come later, but for Sophia to react driven by desire, sooner.

 

[Eglise]

the problem is not L & P, the problem is that you have lost control. even with 20 people he cannot fulfill your wishes.

 

[Alley_Cat]

Sophia growing to enjoy the tasks is a natural outcome of the storyline. Since this is a game of corruption, it only makes sense that she will embrace her corruption as the game goes on. I know that sucks for fans of blackmail, but what other choice is there? If the tasks continue to get more extreme, and she continues to hate them, you start to get into a murky area around consent- and L&P has said that he won't include assault or rape content. So that means that Sophia has to begin to enjoy the tasks and willingly embrace them.

But this does leave the game in a weird place story wise. The conflict with Aiden has been well established, so to turn it 180 degrees will be jarring. The only way it works is if it's slow, and if it's slow then that means the tasks can't be very extreme. In fact they almost need to be mundane or repetitive, or in a safe environment. How many times can Aiden make her dress inappropriately to work before the audience is bored? And since much of the storyline's eroticism comes from the in-school environment, I don't think constantly having Sophia and Aiden meet outside of school is a good solution.

So what should L&P do?

1. The first thing I would do is recon the idea of 15 tasks and make the number undefined. You could still do 15 tasks, but give yourself a way out if you can't think of more than 5 good tasks.

2. If you do cut the tasks down, it leaves room for a new storyline with Aiden. A new storyline with Aiden could give L&P the flexibility to do new things with the character.

3. Use this new storyline to better integrate Aiden and school into the rest of the story. To me, Aiden and Sophia's job at the school have felt unnecessarily isolated from the rest of the story. I'd like to see them integrated into the rest of the story with more interactions with Zack, Dylan, and Ellie at school. Sophia's time at the school is a really big part of her life, so I'd like to see it incorporated in bigger ways to connect more of the characters. Specifically with Aiden, he could be used as a true antagonist towards Dylan and Zack. There is definitely a fetish out there if Sophia is sleeping with her son's bully.

4. Let's define Aiden and his motivation. I'd like to get a better sense of what motivates Aiden and his end game with Sophia. If he's better incorporated into the broader story, I think that gives L&P more time to develop his character and make him more interesting.

That's how I would tweak Aiden's story for the better.

The problem integrating Ellie into any school storyline involving Dylan and co is that she goes to a completely different school.

 

[Hlextor]

I think the big question on Aiden's route is whether Sophia succumbs? And if so, when?

If it's too soon we'll have a sex slave which can be boring. And the moment doesn't seem to be too close judging by Sophia's upset after her 3rd task.

In the inner mechanics of sexual blackmail, I think the blackmailer wants the victim to admit to feeling pleasure, to make her admit to it.

What I mean by this is that I expect Aiden's tasks to put Sophia in a position to either admit or react unequivocally. Saying it on words I think will come later, but for Sophia to react driven by desire, sooner.

Right off the bat with the next update, we'll find out why we (even those of us less interested in Aiden's path) will be interested in the development of Aiden's path. I think L&P has a well thought out story here. Anyway, there should be an understandable reason why I click "continue with the task".

I just wonder... if Dylan will soon no longer be the reason for blackmailing... will Sophia only do the tasks out of sheer horniness? Then it's not blackmailing anymore. The more she succumbs, Aiden won't have to force/ask her to do it anymore. She will do it gladly. Blackmailing?

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

The problem integrating Ellie into any school storyline involving Dylan and co is that she goes to a completely different school.

I was wondering about that because you never hear Ellie referenced as going to the same school. But I can't remember what the excuse was because she should go to the same school.

 

[VanDarkBalls]

Right off the bat with the next update, we'll find out why we (even those of us less interested in Aiden's path) will be interested in the development of Aiden's path. I think L&P has a well thought out story here. Anyway, there should be an understandable reason why I click "continue with the task".

I just wonder... if Dylan will soon no longer be the reason for blackmailing... will Sophia only do the tasks out of sheer horniness? Then it's not blackmailing anymore. The more she succumbs, Aiden won't have to force/ask her to do it anymore. She will do it gladly. Blackmailing?

It seems quite natural to me to show how she smoothly becomes a depraved and interested in sex woman, this is, after all, a story about falling, if you follow the routes of corruption, on the other hand, even on these routes you may not agree to do something, which is also funny, I stopped Sam on my route, I chose the option over the fence.
It all depends on what we want to get, what kind of erotic adventure we end up getting.

 

[xxxorro]

i play awam and don,t have cuckold with me. how do i get the way . please answer.

There are no scenes about cuckold, at least not yet. You can get the points as I explained in the post but, as of 0.150, there is only that dialogue about Mr Murray the postman that explicitly uses that variable. We don't know what those points will lead to in the future.

So much good convo today!
Even those espousing an opinion on Aiden's motivation and what his ultimate goal is are non-committal. We get a fair amount of "I think it's not lust but rather domination/humiliation" but the fact that even those invested in the Aiden route can't nail down why he's doing this is a sort of failing from L&P - not a major failure, but still a shortcoming. We know what Aiden is doing and the effect it has on Sophia but we really don't know why he's motivated to do this.

Speaking for myself, I said "it seems" to be humiliation because we only had 3 tasks so far and that's the idea they convey (even if the 3rd task is a bit borderline with the groping). We don't know how things will evolve in the next tasks, so I'd keep the door open. If the game had to stop here (god forbid! ) I'd admit and agree that something would be missing in this sense. Let's see where the next one will take us.

Let's step back and ask ourselves, on what planet does it occur to a 17/18 year old, who has just decided they want to sexually humiliate/dominate their teacher, that the best way to accomplish that is to beat up her son and then attempt to extort her into performing a bunch of individualized tasks in public.

I get your point and I partially agree. The only thing that I'd note is that he's not a "typical" 17/18 yo, he has a kind of criminal background and so it is not so completely "unrealistic" to have such behaviour. And, once more, that's why IMO it would be interesting to develop a little bit more the character with his past background: it could be a chance to better describe his actions and motivation and make it more "believable" (although we are still talking about fiction).
(incidentally, IIRC since the removal of The Twist when he beat up Dylan he didn't know that he was Sophia's son, so it was not part of the plan)

 

[kewlbigdan]

Sophia growing to enjoy the tasks is a natural outcome of the storyline. Since this is a game of corruption, it only makes sense that she will embrace her corruption as the game goes on. I know that sucks for fans of blackmail, but what other choice is there? If the tasks continue to get more extreme, and she continues to hate them, you start to get into a murky area around consent- and L&P has said that he won't include assault or rape content. So that means that Sophia has to begin to enjoy the tasks and willingly embrace them.

But this does leave the game in a weird place story wise. The conflict with Aiden has been well established, so to turn it 180 degrees will be jarring. The only way it works is if it's slow, and if it's slow then that means the tasks can't be very extreme. In fact they almost need to be mundane or repetitive, or in a safe environment. How many times can Aiden make her dress inappropriately to work before the audience is bored? And since much of the storyline's eroticism comes from the in-school environment, I don't think constantly having Sophia and Aiden meet outside of school is a good solution.

So what should L&P do?

1. The first thing I would do is recon the idea of 15 tasks and make the number undefined. You could still do 15 tasks, but give yourself a way out if you can't think of more than 5 good tasks.

2. If you do cut the tasks down, it leaves room for a new storyline with Aiden. A new storyline with Aiden could give L&P the flexibility to do new things with the character.

3. Use this new storyline to better integrate Aiden and school into the rest of the story. To me, Aiden and Sophia's job at the school have felt unnecessarily isolated from the rest of the story. I'd like to see them integrated into the rest of the story with more interactions with Zack, Dylan, and Ellie at school. Sophia's time at the school is a really big part of her life, so I'd like to see it incorporated in bigger ways to connect more of the characters. Specifically with Aiden, he could be used as a true antagonist towards Dylan and Zack. There is definitely a fetish out there if Sophia is sleeping with her son's bully.

4. Let's define Aiden and his motivation. I'd like to get a better sense of what motivates Aiden and his end game with Sophia. If he's better incorporated into the broader story, I think that gives L&P more time to develop his character and make him more interesting.

That's how I would tweak Aiden's story for the better.

Best way to handle Aiden's storyline is with the delete button.

 

[Bibifoc]

Is the gallery glitched? because even though I saw the gym shower and the massage scenes they didn't unlock. I know I can view them either way but it bugs me a bit that I saw them in my playthrough but they're still locked.

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On which platform do you play?
Can you post your "persistent" file?

 

[nexer]

Right off the bat with the next update, we'll find out why we (even those of us less interested in Aiden's path) will be interested in the development of Aiden's path. I think L&P has a well thought out story here. Anyway, there should be an understandable reason why I click "continue with the task".

I just wonder... if Dylan will soon no longer be the reason for blackmailing... will Sophia only do the tasks out of sheer horniness? Then it's not blackmailing anymore. The more she succumbs, Aiden won't have to force/ask her to do it anymore. She will do it gladly. Blackmailing?

Dylan will no longer be the reason, no blackmail, if we choose to ask Morello for help, and in order to do that it's mandatory that she show Larry her ass. It's a little weird, it means the less prude Sophia is, the easier it is to get rid of Aiden. I'd even go so far as to say the sluttier she is the easier she gets rid of Aiden.

 

[Hlextor]

Dylan will no longer be the reason, no blackmail, if we choose to ask Morello for help, and in order to do that it's mandatory that she show Larry her ass. It's a little weird, it means the less prude Sophia is, the easier it is to get rid of Aiden. I'd even go so far as to say the sluttier she is the easier she gets rid of Aiden.

She will most likely use Morello to finish the tasks in a "comfortable way," as L&P once called it. But she apparently has to make a thoughtful decision to do so. Larry? Could be.

What I'm getting at is, if she/we continues the tasks, Dylan may still be the reason in the 4th or 5th task. She will say that to herself as an alibi... but the more she succumbs to Aiden, Dylan no longer makes sense to see him as the reason for blackmailing her. She is then so depraved, that she loves to do the tasks.

 

[roro]

I was wondering about that because you never hear Ellie referenced as going to the same school. But I can't remember what the excuse was because she should go to the same school.

If I remember correctly, they tried to register Dylan to the same school with Ellie, but his grades were bad and he didn't qualify. I believe it is told during the game's introduction, when they're sitting in the airplane on their way to San-Alejo.

 

[hzjujk]

She will most likely use Morello to finish the tasks in a "comfortable way," as L&P once called it. But she apparently has to make a thoughtful decision to do so. Larry? Could be.

What I'm getting at is, if she/we continues the tasks, Dylan may still be the reason in the 4th or 5th task. She will say that to herself as an alibi... but the more she succumbs to Aiden, Dylan no longer makes sense to see him as the reason for blackmailing her. She is then so depraved, that she loves to do the tasks.

"She is then so depraved, that she loves to do the tasks."

Guys, I love it when someone writes sentences like that. The woman is blackmailed, she feels polluted and humiliated at the moment. My / our decisions have brought Sophia this far and will continue to do so. But now someone writes she is "depraved" because at some point she enjoys the sex that has to be done during the chores. We don't want to see that Sophia resists, that's why we lead her deeper and deeper into the rabbit hole, and if she is exactly the person we always wanted and fulfills our wishes then we call the woman "depraved". Folks, I know that this is not a forum that fights for the rights of women but when I read such sentences I throw up - and disagree.

 

[Atton563]

If I remember correctly, they tried to register Dylan to the same school with Ellie, but his grades were bad and he didn't qualify. I believe it is told during the game's introduction, when they're sitting in the airplane on their way to San-Alejo.

I thought it was because Ellie was a cheerleader and her school has the best team in the city.

 

[Kronos405]

On which platform do you play?
Can you post your "persistent" file?

I use PC and I honestly don't know what the persistent file is. Is that just the log where the .exe is?

 

[Bibifoc]

I use PC and I honestly don't know what the persistent file is. Is that just the log where the .exe is?

Just a file named "persistent" you'll find in your "saves" folder.

 

[Alley_Cat]

I thought it was because Ellie was a cheerleader and her school has the best team in the city.

I believe in the scene with Patricia in the park it's mentioned that in terms of athleticism, it's Ellie, then Sophia, Patricia, Dylan then Liam.

So her skills as a cheerleader also were a factor in getting into the ideal school