GingerSweetGirl

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I believe in the scene with Patricia in the park it's mentioned that in terms of athleticism, it's Ellie, then Sophia, Patricia, Dylan then Liam.

So her skills as a cheerleader also were a factor in getting into the ideal school
I wonder if, in hindsight, it was a missed opportunity for L&P to send Ellie to a different school. I don't mean this as another complaint, just a 20/20 hindsight sort of thing.
 

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lol this is probably annoying for you but it's not letting me post it here or do I just gotta compress it using 7zip to send it here?
Damn you're right. An extension is required. You can add a .txt extension for example or you can zip it.
 

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"She is then so depraved, that she loves to do the tasks."

Guys, I love it when someone writes sentences like that. The woman is blackmailed, she feels polluted and humiliated at the moment. My / our decisions have brought Sophia this far and will continue to do so. But now someone writes she is "depraved" because at some point she enjoys the sex that has to be done during the chores. We don't want to see that Sophia resists, that's why we lead her deeper and deeper into the rabbit hole, and if she is exactly the person we always wanted and fulfills our wishes then we call the woman "depraved". Folks, I know that this is not a forum that fights for the rights of women but when I read such sentences I throw up - and disagree.
Hey, bleib mal locker Landsmann! That's just a guess. You seem to have forgotten that I'm not writing the story. It's just my personal reflection on how things might go with Sophia. Du kannst aufhören zu kotzen.
 

ancienregimele

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The other choice is that Sophia increasingly actually enjoys the tasks and takes control of how the tasks run and who she interacts with. Sophia is not dominated, she dominates. But that's also something that blackmail fans won't like.
I would hate it so much that I'd stop playing the route. Better to end it via the Don. Dominatrix-lite is something I hope we never see with Sophia. "Feisty" women have been a cinematic trope for 30+ years & it's become predictable, badly-written, charmless & boring. It feels obligatory & a way of compensating for the previous 70 years, IMO. (I had my doubts on this score when she got to keep the bike leathers but I suppose some role-play with Liam wouldn't "hurt" too much).

Those who want Sophia to be less on the receiving end of other people's attentions could find a way forward if she were to be the one initiating a relationship, or a development in an existing one. Sophia choosing when to be more assertive seems more in keeping with the realism aspect to me. There are already hints of this in the narrative.
 

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And, I like what @GingerSweetGirl said about the school events feeling disconnected from the rest of the story
It's not completely disconnected. If you play the scene with Sophia & Alyssa in the cafe, Alyssa informs Sophia that Zac has told her about her friend's braless look in class. Sophia's reaction is nice.
 
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It's not completely disconnected. If you play the scene with Sophia & Alyssa in the cafe, Alyssa informs Sophia that Zac has told her about her friend's braless look in class. Sophia's reaction is nice.
I was thinking more like events at the school could be more tied into the daily lives of others rather than referred to outside of it and after.

And it’s a fair point about Ellie going to a different school - totally unnecessary. Just put her in the “Honors Program” which many American High Schools feature, especially those having more upper middle class students. Hell, put the soccer team and the cheerleading squad at the same school too: shots of Ellie annoyed that she has to cheer when Dylan scores or something. (I know that American soccer teams, school based or otherwise, don’t usually have cheerleaders at the games, but nor do Americans tune in for Super Bowl Saturday so whatever).
 

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His goal is to dominate her, not necessary to fuck her. He can get off on the power of control, make her do what he wants without even touching her.
I still can't, after the many posts I've made on the subject, get my head round him not wanting to fuck her. Aiden is a 17-18 heterosexual lad, who's also a nasty piece of work. Ask yourself what men want & what they think about every minute of every day, especially when they're young. What thought appeared in the head of every hetero student the first day that Sophia walked into the class, assuming realism was present?

Now, Aiden has some power over a beautiful, sophisticated older woman. It's a fantasy come true, regardless, or perhaps because of, the evil methods he employs. If he didn't want to fuck her, he would, IMO, be one of the strangest hetero male characters in any game I've ever played. That he does want to do more than just have her obey him in a robot-like manner has already been shown in task 3.

Folks, it's easy & has been referred to in several posts. If you don't like coercion & blackmail in your games, just hit the delete button as recommended above, or use the get-out option associated with task 4. If you decide to stay, expect things to escalate & don't feel guilty about the choice. Sophia will get some enjoyment from the tasks, unlike the situation in some other games. As I've said before, I read murder mysteries but I don't think it makes me admire or wish to emulate the perpetrator.

I don't like a lot of things in games or stories. If it becomes too much, I stop playing, or find a way round them as I do with the incest in AWAM. Alternatively, I just ignore it & play forward.
 

L&P's Father-in-Law

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Cool. nexer did the research. So he has stated in his post what exactly happened.
What research was that? Au Naturel wasnt present on patreon. They demanded PS to remove it from his library everywhere else or change the content of the comic to not have incest, even though it was outside of patreon. It's as simple as that. What do you think happens if Patreon finds out LP is using their platform to distribute forbidden content according to their rules?

And please dont give me a smooth brain answer on how DoL doesnt break any rules, I'm not in the mood of wasting time to teach basic stuff.
 
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Apparently their community guidelines fuck you if you dont follow them outside of patron too lmao. That's some cyber police shit.
To be fair with Patreon, they aren't a customer platform, the devs earn money in Patreon for things they do outside the platform too, for example, youtube videos, spotify podcasts, instagram photos, etc. If something that one dev is doing violates their guidelines, they are in the right to ban him, even if that material is not sharing in Patreon itself. Not always a dev or an artist receives earnings through Patreon exclusively for the things shared there, they need to taking into account the material sharing outside too. There are artists that have never shared any material in Patreon and still they have a lot of patrons.
 
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To be fair with Patreon, they aren't a customer platform, the devs earn money in Patreon for things they do outside the platform too, for example, youtube videos, spotify podcasts, instagram photos, etc. There are artsist that never have share any material in Patreon and still they have a lot of patrons. If something that one dev is doing violates their guidelines, they are in the right to ban him, even if that material is not sharing in Patreon itself. Not always a dev or an artist receive earnings through Patreon exclusively for the things shared there, they need to taking into account the material sharing outside too.
Right but Patreon is now policing what people do OUTSIDE of PATREON. Devs DO NOT earn money outside of platform as they SHARE THEIR WORK THROUGH Patreon. Some Devs use Patreon and SubscribeStar or various other platforms but its insanity that any individual platform thinks they can control what creators do WHEN NOT ON PATREON.

I'll never contribute a dime to Patreon again...that'll show 'em (kidding) but seriously I'm done with the platform.
 

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Right but Patreon is now policing what people do OUTSIDE of PATREON. Devs DO NOT earn money outside of platform as they SHARE THEIR WORK THROUGH Patreon. Some Devs use Patreon and SubscribeStar or various other platforms but its insanity that any individual platform thinks they can control what creators do WHEN NOT ON PATREON.

I'll never contribute a dime to Patreon again...that'll show 'em (kidding) but seriously I'm done with the platform.
Patreon has always policing what people do outside the platform, precisely because the most of the earnings comes from material uploaded and shared in other platforms: youtube, spotify, instagram, mega and any website.

The devs always have ways to create material forbidden in Patreon and remain in the platform: change their nicknames when they create that material. Otherwise, it seems that they are taking advantage of Patreon, because their fans give them support in Patreon for material that is forbidden there.
 
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What research was that? Au Naturel wasnt present on patreon. They demanded PS to remove it from his library everywhere else or change the content of the comic to not have incest, even though it was outside of patreon. It's as simple as that. What do you think happens if Patreon finds out LP is using their platform to distribute forbidden content according to their rules?

And please dont give me a smooth brain answer on how DoL doesnt break any rules, I'm not in the mood of wasting time to teach basic stuff.
I have already read this. I even went far enough to read other discussion threads on the patreon policy matters.
Does it bother me ? NO. This is something L&P needs to see and decide what he wants to do. And it's not just L&P. Almost half of this adult game industry here would be barred from patreon use. Incest Patches don't save you from policy guidelines either.
 

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I still can't, after the many posts I've made on the subject, get my head round him not wanting to fuck her. Aiden is a 17-18 heterosexual lad, who's also a nasty piece of work. Ask yourself what men want & what they think about every minute of every day, especially when they're young. What thought appeared in the head of every hetero student the first day that Sophia walked into the class, assuming realism was present?

Now, Aiden has some power over a beautiful, sophisticated older woman. It's a fantasy come true, regardless, or perhaps because of, the evil methods he employs. If he didn't want to fuck her, he would, IMO, be one of the strangest hetero male characters in any game I've ever played. That he does want to do more than just have her obey him in a robot-like manner has already been shown in task 3.

Folks, it's easy & has been referred to in several posts. If you don't like coercion & blackmail in your games, just hit the delete button as recommended above, or use the get-out option associated with task 4. If you decide to stay, expect things to escalate & don't feel guilty about the choice. Sophia will get some enjoyment from the tasks, unlike the situation in some other games. As I've said before, I read murder mysteries but I don't think it makes me admire or wish to emulate the perpetrator.

I don't like a lot of things in games or stories. If it becomes too much, I stop playing, or find a way round them as I do with the incest in AWAM. Alternatively, I just ignore it & play forward.
It's not necessary that a teenager will want to have sex with Sophia. Aiden gets sex from Jenny, we can more or less assume that. Not every teenager is into fucking a woman more than twice his age. Everyone has their preferences. Sophia may be hot but the age gap is quite a lot. Ofcourse if Aiden was deprived of any female contact all his life then it would make absolutely no sense in not wanting to do it Sophia but he seems like a satisfied teen.

Also I'm not ruling out the possibility of sex, it may happen and it won't bother me way too much unless it is very poorly done but I would just prefer that it does not reach that. It is just how I see humiliation and if you would like I can explain it better in private chat. For me it is more humiliating if Sophia has to perform sexual acts on others on Aiden's instructions than on Aiden himself.
 

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So much good convo today!
Even those espousing an opinion on Aiden's motivation and what his ultimate goal is are non-committal. We get a fair amount of "I think it's not lust but rather domination/humiliation" but the fact that even those invested in the Aiden route can't nail down why he's doing this is a sort of failing from L&P - not a major failure, but still a shortcoming. We know what Aiden is doing and the effect it has on Sophia but we really don't know why he's motivated to do this.

Let's step back and ask ourselves, on what planet does it occur to a 17/18 year old, who has just decided they want to sexually humiliate/dominate their teacher, that the best way to accomplish that is to beat up her son and then attempt to extort her into performing a bunch of individualized tasks in public.

And, I like what GingerSweetGirl said about the school events feeling disconnected from the rest of the story, not that I think it's a problem but more of a missed opportunity.
You've got it wrong. Things happened the other way round. Dylan and Zac attacked Aiden and then after that when Sophia asked them to stop this happened.

I can understand Aiden's motivation but it is difficult to put into words. Ofcourse a more clearer reason can be presented by L&P. Aiden likes things his way.

Power in itself is intoxicating. Having other people at you beck and call is what people craving power desire most. As of now he was excercising his power on his group of boys now he has an actual authoritative figure, a hot woman who will follow his whim.

We should not forget that in the very first class Sophia tried assert her position in the class even scolding Aiden if i remember correctly. Now asserting his control over her will most definitely be satisfying for Aiden. To show Sophia who is boss.

Controlling someone who is supposed to have control over you is hot in itself, known as power exchange. This very idea can be a driving force itself. If Aiden has a thing for humiliation which is he does based on how after every task he does something to kind make Sophia disgusted or feel humiliated, this power exchange only heightens the factor of humiliation.

Also if I were in Aiden's position I too would take it slow. You wouldn't want to give something too extreme and have her freak out and leave. The gradual shift to extreme stuff is what is needed in this situation. That is actually being intelligent and understanding of the scenario rather than rushing in like a horny teenager and trying to push your luck way to far.
 
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ancienregimele

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Aiden gets sex from Jenny, we can more or less assume that. Not every teenager is into fucking a woman more than twice his age. Everyone has their preferences. Sophia may be hot but the age gap is quite a lot. Ofcourse if Aiden was deprived of any female contact all his life then it would make absolutely no sense in not wanting to do it Sophia but he seems like a satisfied teen.
I always take his existing relationship into account. As far as we know, he's probably not the sexually frustrated type. That's also one logical reason why he is taking things steadily with the tasks. What I consider is the need to experiment at the age he's at. Always wanting to try new things can be a state of mind for some & in the task route Aiden is presented with multiple possibilities. Chances that might not come again might seem within reach. So, the first two tasks were basic teen stuff & required very little thinking on his part but the third task took planning, collaboration, timetabling & expenditure. He must fancy his teacher because she's gorgeous & it wouldn't be credible, IMO, for him not to but the evidence is there in the overtly sexual content of what happens & his in-task & after-task remarks. I don't discount the possibilty of Sophia performing sex acts with others for Aiden's pleasure but surely he would also want something similar for himself?

If all he wanted to do was humiliate Sophia, he could just plant a custard pie on her face & tell her to lick it. There's no sexual thrill for either party, (or the fans), in something like that. He wants to see her corrupted on his terms by the power of his will but is hopefully savvy enough not to take things too far, too fast. That could be a reason that there are twelve tasks but it remains to be seen how many will actually be completed.
 
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