VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.215f] [Lust & Passion]

[ashitanojoe]

Apparently their community guidelines fuck you if you dont follow them outside of patron too lmao. That's some cyber police shit.

To be fair with Patreon, they aren't a customer platform, the devs earn money in Patreon for things they do outside the platform too, for example, youtube videos, spotify podcasts, instagram photos, etc. If something that one dev is doing violates their guidelines, they are in the right to ban him, even if that material is not sharing in Patreon itself. Not always a dev or an artist receives earnings through Patreon exclusively for the things shared there, they need to taking into account the material sharing outside too. There are artists that have never shared any material in Patreon and still they have a lot of patrons.

 

[hmc15]

To be fair with Patreon, they aren't a customer platform, the devs earn money in Patreon for things they do outside the platform too, for example, youtube videos, spotify podcasts, instagram photos, etc. There are artsist that never have share any material in Patreon and still they have a lot of patrons. If something that one dev is doing violates their guidelines, they are in the right to ban him, even if that material is not sharing in Patreon itself. Not always a dev or an artist receive earnings through Patreon exclusively for the things shared there, they need to taking into account the material sharing outside too.

Right but Patreon is now policing what people do OUTSIDE of PATREON. Devs DO NOT earn money outside of platform as they SHARE THEIR WORK THROUGH Patreon. Some Devs use Patreon and SubscribeStar or various other platforms but its insanity that any individual platform thinks they can control what creators do WHEN NOT ON PATREON.

I'll never contribute a dime to Patreon again...that'll show 'em (kidding) but seriously I'm done with the platform.

 

[ashitanojoe]

Right but Patreon is now policing what people do OUTSIDE of PATREON. Devs DO NOT earn money outside of platform as they SHARE THEIR WORK THROUGH Patreon. Some Devs use Patreon and SubscribeStar or various other platforms but its insanity that any individual platform thinks they can control what creators do WHEN NOT ON PATREON.

I'll never contribute a dime to Patreon again...that'll show 'em (kidding) but seriously I'm done with the platform.

Patreon has always policing what people do outside the platform, precisely because the most of the earnings comes from material uploaded and shared in other platforms: youtube, spotify, instagram, mega and any website.

The devs always have ways to create material forbidden in Patreon and remain in the platform: change their nicknames when they create that material. Otherwise, it seems that they are taking advantage of Patreon, because their fans give them support in Patreon for material that is forbidden there.

 

[Sabertooth__]

What research was that? Au Naturel wasnt present on patreon. They demanded PS to remove it from his library everywhere else or change the content of the comic to not have incest, even though it was outside of patreon. It's as simple as that. What do you think happens if Patreon finds out LP is using their platform to distribute forbidden content according to their rules?

And please dont give me a smooth brain answer on how DoL doesnt break any rules, I'm not in the mood of wasting time to teach basic stuff.

I have already read this. I even went far enough to read other discussion threads on the patreon policy matters.
Does it bother me ? NO. This is something L&P needs to see and decide what he wants to do. And it's not just L&P. Almost half of this adult game industry here would be barred from patreon use. Incest Patches don't save you from policy guidelines either.

 

[Sabertooth__]

I still can't, after the many posts I've made on the subject, get my head round him not wanting to fuck her. Aiden is a 17-18 heterosexual lad, who's also a nasty piece of work. Ask yourself what men want & what they think about every minute of every day, especially when they're young. What thought appeared in the head of every hetero student the first day that Sophia walked into the class, assuming realism was present?

Now, Aiden has some power over a beautiful, sophisticated older woman. It's a fantasy come true, regardless, or perhaps because of, the evil methods he employs. If he didn't want to fuck her, he would, IMO, be one of the strangest hetero male characters in any game I've ever played. That he does want to do more than just have her obey him in a robot-like manner has already been shown in task 3.

Folks, it's easy & has been referred to in several posts. If you don't like coercion & blackmail in your games, just hit the delete button as recommended above, or use the get-out option associated with task 4. If you decide to stay, expect things to escalate & don't feel guilty about the choice. Sophia will get some enjoyment from the tasks, unlike the situation in some other games. As I've said before, I read murder mysteries but I don't think it makes me admire or wish to emulate the perpetrator.

I don't like a lot of things in games or stories. If it becomes too much, I stop playing, or find a way round them as I do with the incest in AWAM. Alternatively, I just ignore it & play forward.

It's not necessary that a teenager will want to have sex with Sophia. Aiden gets sex from Jenny, we can more or less assume that. Not every teenager is into fucking a woman more than twice his age. Everyone has their preferences. Sophia may be hot but the age gap is quite a lot. Ofcourse if Aiden was deprived of any female contact all his life then it would make absolutely no sense in not wanting to do it Sophia but he seems like a satisfied teen.

Also I'm not ruling out the possibility of sex, it may happen and it won't bother me way too much unless it is very poorly done but I would just prefer that it does not reach that. It is just how I see humiliation and if you would like I can explain it better in private chat. For me it is more humiliating if Sophia has to perform sexual acts on others on Aiden's instructions than on Aiden himself.

 

[Sabertooth__]

So much good convo today!
Even those espousing an opinion on Aiden's motivation and what his ultimate goal is are non-committal. We get a fair amount of "I think it's not lust but rather domination/humiliation" but the fact that even those invested in the Aiden route can't nail down why he's doing this is a sort of failing from L&P - not a major failure, but still a shortcoming. We know what Aiden is doing and the effect it has on Sophia but we really don't know why he's motivated to do this.

Let's step back and ask ourselves, on what planet does it occur to a 17/18 year old, who has just decided they want to sexually humiliate/dominate their teacher, that the best way to accomplish that is to beat up her son and then attempt to extort her into performing a bunch of individualized tasks in public.

And, I like what GingerSweetGirl said about the school events feeling disconnected from the rest of the story, not that I think it's a problem but more of a missed opportunity.

You've got it wrong. Things happened the other way round. Dylan and Zac attacked Aiden and then after that when Sophia asked them to stop this happened.

I can understand Aiden's motivation but it is difficult to put into words. Ofcourse a more clearer reason can be presented by L&P. Aiden likes things his way.

Power in itself is intoxicating. Having other people at you beck and call is what people craving power desire most. As of now he was excercising his power on his group of boys now he has an actual authoritative figure, a hot woman who will follow his whim.

We should not forget that in the very first class Sophia tried assert her position in the class even scolding Aiden if i remember correctly. Now asserting his control over her will most definitely be satisfying for Aiden. To show Sophia who is boss.

Controlling someone who is supposed to have control over you is hot in itself, known as power exchange. This very idea can be a driving force itself. If Aiden has a thing for humiliation which is he does based on how after every task he does something to kind make Sophia disgusted or feel humiliated, this power exchange only heightens the factor of humiliation.

Also if I were in Aiden's position I too would take it slow. You wouldn't want to give something too extreme and have her freak out and leave. The gradual shift to extreme stuff is what is needed in this situation. That is actually being intelligent and understanding of the scenario rather than rushing in like a horny teenager and trying to push your luck way to far.

 

[ancienregimele]

Aiden gets sex from Jenny, we can more or less assume that. Not every teenager is into fucking a woman more than twice his age. Everyone has their preferences. Sophia may be hot but the age gap is quite a lot. Ofcourse if Aiden was deprived of any female contact all his life then it would make absolutely no sense in not wanting to do it Sophia but he seems like a satisfied teen.

I always take his existing relationship into account. As far as we know, he's probably not the sexually frustrated type. That's also one logical reason why he is taking things steadily with the tasks. What I consider is the need to experiment at the age he's at. Always wanting to try new things can be a state of mind for some & in the task route Aiden is presented with multiple possibilities. Chances that might not come again might seem within reach. So, the first two tasks were basic teen stuff & required very little thinking on his part but the third task took planning, collaboration, timetabling & expenditure. He must fancy his teacher because she's gorgeous & it wouldn't be credible, IMO, for him not to but the evidence is there in the overtly sexual content of what happens & his in-task & after-task remarks. I don't discount the possibilty of Sophia performing sex acts with others for Aiden's pleasure but surely he would also want something similar for himself?

If all he wanted to do was humiliate Sophia, he could just plant a custard pie on her face & tell her to lick it. There's no sexual thrill for either party, (or the fans), in something like that. He wants to see her corrupted on his terms by the power of his will but is hopefully savvy enough not to take things too far, too fast. That could be a reason that there are twelve tasks but it remains to be seen how many will actually be completed.

 

[Deleted member 3325933]

Right but Patreon is now policing what people do OUTSIDE of PATREON. Devs DO NOT earn money outside of platform as they SHARE THEIR WORK THROUGH Patreon. Some Devs use Patreon and SubscribeStar or various other platforms but its insanity that any individual platform thinks they can control what creators do WHEN NOT ON PATREON.

I'll never contribute a dime to Patreon again...that'll show 'em (kidding) but seriously I'm done with the platform.

Ultimately the issue is cash $$$$$$. Patreon has seen the pressures that were placed on several sites such as pornhub to police their site. This had politicians involved but, the real pressure was the threats from Credit card and other pay sources that said they would lock out access. Even a download (I am blanking on the name ?nopay?) site was shut down this last year by that method. So the fear Patreon has is real and ergo they must react or get the horns. The same will be true for subscribestar if this process moves forward.

 

[Deleted member 3325933]

I always take his existing relationship into account. As far as we know, he's probably not the sexually frustrated type. That's also one logical reason why he is taking things steadily with the tasks. What I consider is the need to experiment at the age he's at. Always wanting to try new things can be a state of mind for some & in the task route Aiden is presented with multiple possibilities. Chances that might not come again might seem within reach. So, the first two tasks were basic teen stuff & required very little thinking on his part but the third task took planning, collaboration, timetabling & expenditure. He must fancy his teacher because she's gorgeous & it wouldn't be credible, IMO, for him not to but the evidence is there in the overtly sexual content of what happens & his in-task & after-task remarks. I don't discount the possibilty of Sophia performing sex acts with others for Aiden's pleasure but surely he would also want something similar for himself?

If all he wanted to do was humiliate Sophia, he could just plant a custard pie on her face & tell her to lick it. There's no sexual thrill for either party, (or the fans), in something like that. He wants to see her corrupted on his terms by the power of his will but is hopefully savvy enough not to take things too far, too fast. That could be a reason that there are twelve tasks but it remains to be seen how many will actually be completed.

As is true for the entire VN. How much will be completed?

 

[chiropvt]

How to translate this game into mother tongue. Can anyone guide me?

 

[ancienregimele]

As is true for the entire VN. How much will be completed?

Well, I live in hopes but I really don't expect to get much past playable day 23 with the way things are going. We're all accustomed to the big delays beween updates & I'm guessing a majority don't like them but they've become par for the course. Taking up to 30 years to finish the story, however, was never & will never be realistic. [During the 30 years war, in L&P's part of the world, a whole new generation of generals & soldiers had taken over by the end, fashions had changed out of recognition etc.]. So, we're all aware of the situation & what it might mean but now comes a new threat & it's arguably bigger because it could just be the start.

If credit card companies are able to control Patreon, which then reaches out to enforce the dictats of the new Puritanism, there's no telling where it might stop. It could be that creative ways to avoid overbearing control are found & I certainly hope so but it all sounds like extra work & stress for Devs. BTW that was Nopey that ceased to be & TBH my first thought was, "I'm glad I don't use them." Then the realisation of what was happening started to really sink in with the PS affair & thoughts got gloomy....

 

[hooopla308]

probably asked a bunch but will the future update downloads from the launcher be available to download separately here? (instead of having to download the whole game again)

 

[Jude6]

I still can't, after the many posts I've made on the subject, get my head round him not wanting to fuck her...

Agreed.

My thinking on Aiden's intent so far has been that he's definitely going to have sex with Sophia at some point, he just (borrowing a very misogynistic phrase here) 'wants to break the horse before he rides her'.

Plus him being detached from the early tasks (not putting his hands on her until #3 and only then by surprise) is just his way of easing Sophia into things.

 

[nexer]

It's not necessary that a teenager will want to have sex with Sophia. Aiden gets sex from Jenny, we can more or less assume that. Not every teenager is into fucking a woman more than twice his age. Everyone has their preferences. Sophia may be hot but the age gap is quite a lot. Ofcourse if Aiden was deprived of any female contact all his life then it would make absolutely no sense in not wanting to do it Sophia but he seems like a satisfied teen.

Also I'm not ruling out the possibility of sex, it may happen and it won't bother me way too much unless it is very poorly done but I would just prefer that it does not reach that. It is just how I see humiliation and if you would like I can explain it better in private chat. For me it is more humiliating if Sophia has to perform sexual acts on others on Aiden's instructions than on Aiden himself.

It's impossible to rule out Aiden's desire to fuck Sophia.
If he wasn't interested the scene with Ares wouldn't have happened, and another detail Aiden didn't have any underwear on. He wanted any kind of physical contact with Sophia before the scene was set up, even a small one, hence the lack of panties. He hoped his penis would touch Sophia even for a little while.
I'd say no, Aiden's shaking... waiting for the moment

 

[Lezgin]

Imagine the situation, the maid got sick and was cleaning the house, Sofia suddenly got stuck under the sofa. What suddenly draws the attention of a friend of her husband who went for salt and took advantage of Sofia.

 

[nexer]

What research was that? Au Naturel wasnt present on patreon. They demanded PS to remove it from his library everywhere else or change the content of the comic to not have incest, even though it was outside of patreon. It's as simple as that. What do you think happens if Patreon finds out LP is using their platform to distribute forbidden content according to their rules?

And please dont give me a smooth brain answer on how DoL doesnt break any rules, I'm not in the mood of wasting time to teach basic stuff.

The threat comes from payment platforms and it is serious. The Pornhub case is an example.
As for this game, mandatory to change the name of the game (already done: DoL) and even the names of the characters in DoL. And the other game should not have any connection (internal links) with Patreon.
The risk is there, but it would mean that the payment platforms would become patrons and get the login.

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

All this talk about Aiden and his plans for Sophia makes me wonder if Jenny is going to play a role in the future. I can see a scenario where he brings Jenny into the mix as a way to further corrupt and humiliate Sophia. Perhaps it's a voyeuristic thing, maybe it's sex, but I think it makes a lot of sense that this won't start strictly between Sophia and Aiden.

 

[hzjujk]

I would hate it so much that I'd stop playing the route. Better to end it via the Don. Dominatrix-lite is something I hope we never see with Sophia. "Feisty" women have been a cinematic trope for 30+ years & it's become predictable, badly-written, charmless & boring. It feels obligatory & a way of compensating for the previous 70 years, IMO. (I had my doubts on this score when she got to keep the bike leathers but I suppose some role-play with Liam wouldn't "hurt" too much).

Those who want Sophia to be less on the receiving end of other people's attentions could find a way forward if she were to be the one initiating a relationship, or a development in an existing one. Sophia choosing when to be more assertive seems more in keeping with the realism aspect to me. There are already hints of this in the narrative.

I just wonder how Sophia gets from here to there.


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How is that supposed to work that Sophia "enjoys" tasks actively involved in the Aiden without breaking her will. Corruption alone? Nice idea, but also an immature fantasy.

When I speak of a dominant Sophia I mean something like this. Aiden forces Sophia to do a lap dance in a bar. Aiden puts himself in a position where he believes he is 100% the beneficiary. Sophia also begins with Aiden, does not allow himself to be touched by him, but then continues with a randomly chosen person and allows this person to be touched.
It's not about the whip-wielding dominatrix, it's just about Sophia having to feel like she has to outsmart her blackmailer in order to enjoy the event and to be curious about the next task.

 

[nexer]

All this talk about Aiden and his plans for Sophia makes me wonder if Jenny is going to play a role in the future. I can see a scenario where he brings Jenny into the mix as a way to further corrupt and humiliate Sophia. Perhaps it's a voyeuristic thing, maybe it's sex, but I think it makes a lot of sense that this won't start strictly between Sophia and Aiden.

Yeap, I see the possibility of Sophia witnessing very erotic or sexual scenes out of Aiden's desire to wring confirmation from Sophia that she likes and even enjoys the situations he puts her in.
Anyone around Aiden could be involved. Let's not forget that Jenny wants to marry a rich man, which is said in front of the class with Aiden present. Their relationship could be .... complex.

 

[nexer]

I just wonder how Sophia gets from here to there.

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How is that supposed to work that Sophia "enjoys" tasks actively involved in the Aiden without breaking her will. Corruption alone? Nice idea, but also an immature fantasy.

When I speak of a dominant Sophia I mean something like this. Aiden forces Sophia to do a lap dance in a bar. Aiden puts himself in a position where he believes he is 100% the beneficiary. Sophia also begins with Aiden, does not allow himself to be touched by him, but then continues with a randomly chosen person and allows this person to be touched.
It's not about the whip-wielding dominatrix, it's just about Sophia having to feel like she has to outsmart her blackmailer in order to enjoy the event and to be curious about the next task.

Sophia's reaction is still strong, but it's the first time he's touched her. After the second touch, that is after the 4th task, we'll see