VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.215f] [Lust & Passion]

[Notretsam]

At some point we have to be ok with something happening. Ok, maybe the action with Natalie happened a bit suddenly, but not by the standards of erotica. We can't complain that we get no action, AND also complain that what action we get happens too quickly. Natalie had been previously established in three scenes as someone that would push Sophia's buttons, so IMO it was time to pull the trigger. Did I expect it to go as far as it did? No, but a spark had been well established.

Also, why would the jacuzzi scene make more sense with Dylan than Sam? Sam is also well established as someone that Sophia has sparks with. And, let's not forget that the game has made it painfully clear that incest with Dylan is not something it's going to rush into. If anyone here still expect Dylan to have sex with Sophia any time soon, I'm sorry but you're living a fantasy. Very clearly, Sophia has more walls up towards incest with Dylan than any other character. It would make no sense in her characterization to go for Dylan first before Sam. Dylan is set to make major progress in PD13, but he's still her son and L&P is going to stretch that relationship out as long as possible.

really? so Sophia didn't let Dylan jerk off to her or show him her boobs, or let him change in the same room as Dylan, or let Dylan jerk off in the shower, while she was in the bath. Sam got caught spying, part of a bikini show with Dylan and one musician lesson, anything else Dylan was there for.

sorry but your logic is flawed, you're right about more walls towards Dylan but the walls are already well and truly down, we've seen Sophia battle with that many times, but still allow Dylan to get what he wants. Dylan is much more further along with Sophia than Sam ever was, granted the last update has changed that but with Dylan, the arc was a jog, the last update had Sam's arc sprinting to catch up but you're correct about sparks with Sam.

And yes I can complain about it being a bit sudden if I choose to, especially when I'm right. I did however say, the scenes were good but just with the wrong characters. Maid and Sam needed at least 2 more individual teasing scenes before what we saw in the last update. After all, that would fit with what AWAM has always been, a tease, something I personally liked about AWAM.

I do think it's time to pull the trigger but with the right characters, maid and Sam were not the right characters, although I must admit they are now due to the last update and that does widen the playing field, which is probably a good thing for AWAM but it comes at the cost of the last update, which personally I thought was one of the worst.(edit* when I say worst, I mean from a story perspective only)

However, maybe there had to be that one update that needed to push things along much quicker, so L&P can bridge the gap quicker between what he wants to do and what the majority of fans of AWAM want.

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

really? so Sophia didn't let Dylan jerk off to her or show him her boobs, or let him change in the same room as Dylan, or let Dylan jerk off in the shower, while she was in the bath. Sam got caught spying, part of a bikini show with Dylan and one musician lesson, anything else Dylan was there for.

sorry but your logic is flawed, you're right about more walls towards Dylan but the walls are already well and truly down, we've seen Sophia battle with that many times, but still allow Dylan to get what he wants. Dylan is much more further along with Sophia than Sam ever was, granted the last update has changed that but with Dylan, the arc was a jog, the last update had Sam's arc sprinting to catch up but you're correct about sparks with Sam.

And yes I can complain about it being a bit sudden if I choose to, especially when I'm right. I did however say, the scenes were good but just with the wrong characters. Maid and Sam needed at least 2 more individual teasing scenes before what we saw in the last update. After all, that would fit with what AWAM has always been, a tease, something I personally liked about AWAM.

I do think it's time to pull the trigger but with the right characters, maid and Sam were not the right characters, although I must admit they are now due to the last update and that does widen the playing field, which is probably a good thing for AWAM but it comes at the cost of the last update, which personally I thought was one of the worst.(edit* when I say worst, I mean from a story perspective only)

However, maybe there had to be that one update that needed to push things along much quicker, so L&P can bridge the gap quicker between what he wants to do and what the majority of fans of AWAM want.

I don't know what to tell you. If you think Dylan is going to have sex with Sophia before Sam, or before Natalie, I think you're in for a bad time. You can think Dylan is the logical and obvious choice, but it isn't going to happen. Dylan is going to be teased to players until the very end because he's the ultimate avatar for most players, and L&P isn't going to cash that in until the bitter end. Everyone else in this game pretty much exists to corrupt Sophia to a point where she'll have sex with her son, so they have to come first. Pun intended.

 

[MGUltimate]

How does anyone think this is OK? Nothing but teasing, and teasing sucks and is boring. Lots of yakking, no H scenes. This one could not possibly be worse than it is now. Dev doesn't care, he seems to think this should be a nun simulator. He certainly doesn't care what F95 thinks as he said we are "all leeches", but he doesn't even care what patrons think, even when they leave. I think those he still has, it's kind of like a cult. It's honestly a bad game - all Yakking no sex for 3 - 4 years in. If you think there's ever going to be anything good, you got your brain washed bad.

 

[darji]

How does anyone think this is OK? Nothing but teasing, and teasing sucks and is boring. Lots of yakking, no H scenes. This one could not possibly be worse than it is now. Dev doesn't care, he seems to think this should be a nun simulator. He certainly doesn't care what F95 thinks as he said we are "all leeches", but he doesn't even care what patrons think, even when they leave. I think those he still has, it's kind of like a cult. It's honestly a bad game - all Yakking no sex for 3 - 4 years in. If you think there's ever going to be anything good, you got your brain washed bad.

why does every game needs to be the same? For me personally the reason why I support it is because it is different. I always say this is not like Porn but more like a Emmanuelle Movie. The buildup is great. And if people would play the whole game and story at once it would have a total different impact.

But this is how this genre is working. You always play work in progress games so for many to stay entertained it needs to have new sex scenes every Month or so. Or people here call it dead.

And giving the comments on patreon. They like they way the story progresses. If that is not for you? Cool there are TONS of other games with tons of other fetishes, scenes, updates you can try or play.

 

[Notretsam]

I don't know what to tell you. If you think Dylan is going to have sex with Sophia before Sam, or before Natalie, I think you're in for a bad time. You can think Dylan is the logical and obvious choice, but it isn't going to happen. Dylan is going to be teased to players until the very end because he's the ultimate avatar for most players, and L&P isn't going to cash that in until the bitter end. Everyone else in this game pretty much exists to corrupt Sophia to a point where she'll have sex with her son, so they have to come first. Pun intended.

you seem to be grouping me in with people who like incest and want that only, that is not me.

appears u didn't even read my post or you just completely ignored what I posted. I didn't once say anything about who would have sex with Sophia in my first post, I said the specific scenes didn't make sense with the characters in them and made more sense with others, it was you who brought up who have sex with Sophia first. In my reply to you, yet again I didn't state anything about who I thought or who I wanted to have sex with Sophia first., no idea why you keep griping about the same point and a point I never even brought up.

 

[Alley_Cat]

you seem to be grouping me in with people who like incest and want that only, that is not me.

appears u didn't even read my post or you just completely ignored what I posted. I didn't once say anything about who would have sex with Sophia in my first post, I said the specific scenes didn't make sense with the characters in them and made more sense with others, it was you who brought up who have sex with Sophia first. In my reply to you, yet again I didn't state anything about who I thought or who I wanted to have sex with Sophia first., no idea why you keep griping about the same point and a point I never even brought up.

Only someone with an invested interest in incest could think that Dylan would make a better choice for the event than Sam. Sam plays to many of Sophia's weaknesses, but Dylan only plays to fans of incest. That clearly shows when the first chance for Dylan points comes up before we even get to know his character, only that he is Sophia's son.

So the assumption that you're an ardent Dylan and/or incest fan isn't unwarranted, even if completely wrong

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

you seem to be grouping me in with people who like incest and want that only, that is not me.

appears u didn't even read my post or you just completely ignored what I posted. I didn't once say anything about who would have sex with Sophia in my first post, I said the specific scenes didn't make sense with the characters in them and made more sense with others, it was you who brought up who have sex with Sophia first. In my reply to you, yet again I didn't state anything about who I thought or who I wanted to have sex with Sophia first., no idea why you keep griping about the same point and a point I never even brought up.

I'm not griping, I was genuinely trying to have a discussion with you. My point was simply that, even if Dylan makes more logical sense than Sam, my read of the situation is that L&P is going to hold off on him and Sophia until the very end of the game. While Sophia has interacted with Dylan in ways that are certainly inappropriate in the past, it wasn't until the jog in the park that she viewed him as something more than her son. Meanwhile she has viewed Natalie and Sam (especially Natalie) with a certain degree of romantic interest from the very beginning. So to me, from a strictly narrative standpoint, it makes more sense that Natalie and Sam would progress further and more quickly than Dylan. Furthermore, from a strictly brass tax standpoint, the advancement of Dylan and Sophia's relationship will continue to be held back because it's the center of the game- once it's achieved the game has little else to offer the player.

I've never had a problem with you before, but this conversation has turned very unpleasant very quickly. If I misunderstood your opinion it was accidental, but I really don't want to clutter this thread with back-and-forths. You will probably have a reply, and that's fine, but I dislike it when other members have tit for tat disagreements and I don't want to engage in one of my own. The last word is yours, I really don't want to engage with you further.

 

[Rohanxxx]

walkthrough for v.150 ?

 

[jamdan]

I think Sam will get a "real" scene first. And by that I mean Sophia will actively, and purposely do lewd things with him. Not necessarily a sex scene, probably more like an enhanced and sober version of the hot tub scene. I can see Sam confess his love during their next event, Sophia being touched by him (literally and figuratively) and they end up making out again where she let's him grope her and gropes him back. Before, because of course, someone else shows up and Sam goes diving out the window.

That isn't to say Dylan isn't making progress. He's saw more of Sophia than Sam has overall and done the most lewd non-alcohol induced act at the beach. He's gotten to the point where he can grope her more or less whenever he wants too. I think their next important scene will happen in the bathroom, similar to Ellie's events. I don't have any real reason to think that, but the bathroom seems like a convenient place for some lewd progression.

 

[Notretsam]

Only someone with an invested interest in incest could think that Dylan would make a better choice for the event than Sam. Sam plays to many of Sophia's weaknesses, but Dylan only plays to fans of incest. That clearly shows when the first chance for Dylan points comes up before we even get to know his character, only that he is Sophia's son.

So the assumption that you're an ardent Dylan and/or incest fan isn't unwarranted, even if completely wrong

that is the thing though, I never said anything about who I wanted Sophia to have sex with, so there was nothing to assume regarding that.

I'm not griping, I was genuinely trying to have a discussion with you. My point was simply that, even if Dylan makes more logical sense than Sam, my read of the situation is that L&P is going to hold off on him and Sophia until the very end of the game. While Sophia has interacted with Dylan in ways that are certainly inappropriate in the past, it wasn't until the jog in the park that she viewed him as something more than her son. Meanwhile she has viewed Natalie and Sam (especially Natalie) with a certain degree of romantic interest from the very beginning. So to me, from a strictly narrative standpoint, it makes more sense that Natalie and Sam would progress further and more quickly than Dylan. Furthermore, from a strictly brass tax standpoint, the advancement of Dylan and Sophia's relationship will continue to be held back because it's the center of the game- once it's achieved the game has little else to offer the player.

I've never had a problem with you before, but this conversation has turned very unpleasant very quickly. If I misunderstood your opinion it was accidental, but I really don't want to clutter this thread with back-and-forths. You will probably have a reply, and that's fine, but I dislike it when other members have tit for tat disagreements and I don't want to engage in one of my own. The last word is yours, I really don't want to engage with you further.

didn't seem you were discussing what I was talking about, you for some strange reason focused on who would have sex with Sophia first and presumed I thought Dylan would when I never even said anything, I just corrected that.

End of the day, I don't really care who has sex with Sophia first, it's who doesn't that interests me more.

 

[Sabertooth__]

Only someone with an invested interest in incest could think that Dylan would make a better choice for the event than Sam. Sam plays to many of Sophia's weaknesses, but Dylan only plays to fans of incest. That clearly shows when the first chance for Dylan points comes up before we even get to know his character, only that he is Sophia's son.

So the assumption that you're an ardent Dylan and/or incest fan isn't unwarranted, even if completely wrong

Now this isn't in support of Notretsam's argument but I disagree with your assessment here of Dylan that he only has any meaning because of incest and nothing without it.

Sophia already has a strong affection for Dylan, all that needs to be done is twist that affection into one filled with sexual desire. For Sam this very affection had to be developed. Hence a reason had to be given for why Sophia would even be remotely interested in Sam. Music was chosen in this regard.
And honestly the only thing that Sam really has is the fact that he is in a rock band which is Sophia's weakness. Other than that he too isn't anything special.

And since you said it makes no sense for Dylan other than for the sake of incest. I would like to raise the question, how does it makes sense for Ellie other than for sake of incest. She has Alyssa, Nathalie, Patricia, Vicky, Marie. From mature women to young women, she has them all as options.

Hence why my opinion.

Most of the times for the Hetero route everyone has one of the 3 choices. Dylan, Sam, Zac. Since their routes are more or less similar, different approaches but still the same. For almost every person either one appeals to them while the other two seem like rivals.

 

[Alley_Cat]

I think Sam will get a "real" scene first. And by that I mean Sophia will actively, and purposely do lewd things with him. Not necessarily a sex scene, probably more like an enhanced and sober version of the hot tub scene. I can see Sam confess his love during their next event, Sophia being touched by him (literally and figuratively) and they end up making out again where she let's him grope her and gropes him back. Before, because of course, someone else shows up and Sam goes diving out the window.

That isn't to say Dylan isn't making progress. He's saw more of Sophia than Sam has overall and done the most lewd non-alcohol induced act at the beach. He's gotten to the point where he can grope her more or less whenever he wants too. I think their next important scene will happen in the bathroom, similar to Ellie's events. I don't have any real reason to think that, but the bathroom seems like a convenient place for some lewd progression.

The bathroom does have a lock for a reason

 

[Old Dog]

I actually think the present hairstyle is perfect. To me that hairstyle has become synonymous with Sophia.
Most creators really wish that they can add features or some distinct traits to a make character recognisable to anyone. That's what the hairstyle does for me in respect of Sophia.
So I would be sad if he changes her hairstyle

There will be a choice to keep the current hairstyle

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

There will be a choice to keep the current hairstyle

A poll like that should require a high threshold to overturn the status quo. Sometimes a plurality of votes is ok, but sometimes a poll needs an absolute majority. But in the case of changing something like Sophia's hair, I think it should require a sweeping majority (like 65%+). It's the kind of thing where "if it ain't broke, don't fix it." Unless the vast majority of players dislike something like Sophia's hair, you shouldn't even consider changing it. So the first poll would be:

"Should we change Sophia's hair?"
Yes
No

If 65% of voters choose "Yes", then you run a second poll that offers different styles. If no single option gets 50% of the vote, then you go to a runoff of the top two choices.

That's how I would conduct it at least.

 

[darji]

The bathroom does have a lock for a reason

this bathroom never had a lock because Liam never fixed it XD

 

[Old Dog]

A poll like that should require a high threshold to overturn the status quo. Sometimes a plurality of votes is ok, but sometimes a poll needs an absolute majority. But in the case of changing something like Sophia's hair, I think it should require a sweeping majority (like 65%+). It's the kind of thing where "if it ain't broke, don't fix it." Unless the vast majority of players dislike something like Sophia's hair, you shouldn't even consider changing it. So the first poll would be:

"Should we change Sophia's hair?"
Yes
No

If 65% of voters choose "Yes", then you run a second poll that offers different styles. If no single option gets 50% of the vote, then you go to a runoff of the top two choices.

That's how I would conduct it at least.

I would also make it for high tier patrons only unless L&P picks wisely

 

[Old Dog]

this bathroom never had a lock because Liam never fixed it XD

The lock was fixed by Liam

 

[darji]

The lock was fixed by Liam

not in my game

 

[Old Dog]

not in my game

Why,what would be the point of not fixing the lock?

 

[darji]

No matter what play through you are on, the lock is fixed. On day 18 by Liam which you will see either after the Yoga event or the Alyssa event.

I have not seen Liam in a long time I think XD