Yes, and some loyal supporters come here on this very pirate forum and loudly claim that they are honest and will not leak L&P's work. But at the same time they allow themselves to download the leaked work of other developers for free.
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Okay, I actually really enjoyed playing this game and even supported the dev, but USD $63.50 for a little animation--let alone a preview of one--is beyond ridiculous. I find it irrational to think that such a decision is fair to the consumer base.
he refunds you the money. It is still legends tier
Right now I am supporting 10 games on Patreon. I mostly use this to actually get in introduction and the games I feel are woth supporint getting supported. I also said that I do not mind sharing as long the developer does not say he does not want it since there will be a public release like 2 weeks later etc.
I use this Forum for Discussion since I do not really like discrod. But as I said before this is the only game or thread that is different because of how they not only threat the deveoper but ridicule everything.
Sometimes it seems that people do not try to get off by the game but by the shitposting here.
As someone mentioned here before that the developer and this forum has a history and that mostly t are always two sides responsible for this kind of enviroment but I also never saw the other side so maybe it is time for some people to let it go and stop making this miserable for everyone reading this thread.
Critiscm is fine and needed but this has often not anything to do with criticsim anymore.
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Well the animation is supposed to out do anything any other dev is doing, supposedly mind blowing, and you know what for a mere 50 euros I don't blame him for charging so much because you know, I think he has earned that right as a self respected dev such as L&P whom has never missed a deadline, has always been honest and up front and never insulted any of his patrons and would never lie.......ok if you can't read the sarcasm in any of that then I don't know what to tell ya.
Now I did say some weeks ago that I wouldn't post comments, or interact with the thread, until after the next update, (whenever that is....) but I'll make this one exception, in the light of the current discussion & because you raise a point, which I think needs a reply in the form of a counter-point, or rather a question.
It's this, namely, how many fans came to this thread in order to to create a toxic atmosphere? I've no idea myself but I'm guessing that most arrived with the intention of discussing aspects of the VN. Why then has it degenerated? That's an open question but I'm absolutely certain, having been here for over 4 years, that it wasn't all down to the fans.
It would be tedious to list the many & varied reasons that it wasn't solely the fan's fault. We've heard them all before in any case. No-one likes to receive continuous negative criticism & it's obvious the Dev is no exception. If we accept that L&P does what he likes, at a time of his choosing, without any really concrete obligations to paying Patrons, (let alone "rats" & "trolls" as we pirates are endearingly named by the Dev) & if you accept that stated aims & release dates are simply amongst a number of possibilities, rather than probabilities......then the need for any toxic atmosphere & negative criticism goes away.
See you after the update.
- Jul 21, 2018
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As I said I am pretty sure in the end both sides did something to create an hostile atmosphere. However there is a difference here. L&P mostly moved on and stopped communicating with this Forum the people here did not move on. And this is why it is shitty to still do this even you are not interested anymore. Even through they are not supporrting the game anymore or have any real interest in the game anymore
There are some people here that try to kill EVERY Conversation of this game. I really love this idea and concept of the game. The Renders are fantastic and still one of the best I have seen so far. And I wish I could talk more about this game. But everytime you get here you see the same few people shitting on EVERYTHING he does do or not do. And honestly it is so annyoing that I hardly visit this thread anymore.
This kind of shit is worse than some developer suddendly but some NTR in this game.
The reason you never saw much of L&P´s side of the discussion here is because most of his posts were deleted by the moderators because of the frothing rage and insults thrown around by L&P! That is one thing the dear Mister L&P is not advertising loudly, especially since this was at a time when the athmosphere in the thread was vastly better and most members went "Dude, what the hell is wrong with you?" And this did not happen just once, but several times L&P truly lost it and coupled with the fact that he never(!) kept a promise he made, sudden delays and obvious lies did lay the foundation for this.
The only thing he managed was alienating most of the fanbase here and feeding the real trolls really well. Then it spiralled down.
If you look over the various game threads here on F95, few are as toxic as this one and there are reasons why this is so.
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So he is selling the animation preview at EUR 50 and v0.16 will be available at EUR 30.
As I said before. Someone told me about L&P and what he wrote here etc. And at that time it was certainly both sides fault. But the difference is that he basically moved on while the angry people that are not even interested anymore in this game are still here trying to make this thread as miserable as possible even after I do now know years this did happen.
So why are these people still doing this? Why is that so important to make this thread such a shitshow and not let ANYONE enjoy the actual game. You can still criticize him that is not the point but some few people here and I do not want to name them yet are not interested in anything other that hostility. It ils like they are still mad that their lx did leave them a few years ago.
Oh and I did not call the Forum toxic I call a few people her toxic and hostile. The foru overall is great this thread and some people here however are not.
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On the toxic atmosphere of this thread, while I agree that this thread is very toxic, I also think the toxicity is due to LP himself.
Pretty much the only ways threads become toxic are:
- People disliking the developer for whatever reason. Accusations of milking. Being as ass. Lying. Repeated missed deadlines.
- Fetish wars, which is usually pro-NTR and anti-NTR people fighting each other.
We don't really have fetish wars here, so the reason for the thread toxicity is due to the developer actions.
I also agree with the idea that, in this thread specifically, the toxicity comes from a few posters. And those are both anti-LP people and his defenders.
But again, this all comes down to LP himself. The anti-LP people wouldn't have anything to say if LP wasn't so...you know. And the white-knights wouldn't need to defend him either if he wasn't so...you know.
There are no "sides" here. It's fans of the game fighting each other because of the actions, or lack thereof, of the developer.
Pretty much the only ways threads become toxic are:
- People disliking the developer for whatever reason. Accusations of milking. Being as ass. Lying. Repeated missed deadlines.
- Fetish wars, which is usually pro-NTR and anti-NTR people fighting each other.
We don't really have fetish wars here, so the reason for the thread toxicity is due to the developer actions.
I also agree with the idea that, in this thread specifically, the toxicity comes from a few posters. And those are both anti-LP people and his defenders.
But again, this all comes down to LP himself. The anti-LP people wouldn't have anything to say if LP wasn't so...you know. And the white-knights wouldn't need to defend him either if he wasn't so...you know.
There are no "sides" here. It's fans of the game fighting each other because of the actions, or lack thereof, of the developer.
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Tell me, if i wrongly abuse you or accuse of something because I didnt read or understand something you said and your friend or in general a good person defends you, whose fault is it. Your fault ? Based on your analysis that is the conclusion, but is it really your fault, are your actions to be blamed or is it the insolence of the person who misunderstood or intentionally attacked you
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I think the proof here is in the pudding. The post I refer to as the first sex scene being on PD 19 being deleted was because L&P was angry, spiteful, and regretted what he said. The only reason it's still available is because it was quoted.
So yeah, as much as how awesome the game is, L&P doesn't deal with people well.
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To alleviate confusion
I think what darji is trying to say by repeating "He refunds you the money" is such:
If you are on the €30 tier then upgrade to the €50 tier - you would then only be charged for the €20 difference of the more expensive tier, not charged 50 in addition to the 30.
Because I'm pretty sure Patreon don't refund you anything for dropping down to a less expensive tier.
I think what darji is trying to say by repeating "He refunds you the money" is such:
If you are on the €30 tier then upgrade to the €50 tier - you would then only be charged for the €20 difference of the more expensive tier, not charged 50 in addition to the 30.
Because I'm pretty sure Patreon don't refund you anything for dropping down to a less expensive tier.
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I recently finished this game, and I genuinely think it's the best I've played. Perfect pacing. Amazing graphics. Insanely hot. Can't wait for the next updates.
I'd probably put Jessica O'Neil's Hard News second. Anyone else have recommendations for similar games?
I'd probably put Jessica O'Neil's Hard News second. Anyone else have recommendations for similar games?
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He's just trying to drag this out as long as possible with one pointless event after another.
Yep, it's called milking.
Case in point.
So long as L&P has the patron numbers he currently does (dude is almost at 1900 patrons), he'll milk as much money out of people as he can for a few more years at least.
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