VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.215f] [Lust & Passion]

[xxxorro]

The first teaser of the next update has been released by L&P in a post entitled "Here we go again" and, in my opinion, never has the title been more appropriate.
In fact "here we go again" with Sophia once again seeming to have totally misdressed, dressing too sexy to go on her meeting with Aiden to learn the terms of the next task to be performed. But above all "here we go again" with all those posts that fill the pages of this thread, fearing for our heroine at least the repetition of the worst scenarios that so far we have potentially encountered during the game experience: from the humiliation of being forced to undress in front of strangers (already seen in Day 15 with Janitor Clark) to group groping (already seen in Day 12 with the thugs of the subway station).

Spoiler: Day 15 & Day 12

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But how is it possible that out of all the regulars in this thread only I had this dejavu sensation? All this foreboding of catastrophic developments for Sophia's fate filled the pages of this thread already a few months ago.
It was in fact 30 August 2021 and L&P had just published, as the seventh teaser for update 0.150, this post:

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"At the biker bar"
This image (logically) didn't show much of anything (other than Sophia and Patricia arriving at the venue where Sam and his band would be performing), but combined with the fact that Sophia would be wearing (by choice of the L&P Patrons) the infamous boob pocket dress for the occasion,

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was enough to provoke a long series of posts on this thread in which (due to the outfit showing off her goodies) Sophia and her sister were speculated to have some very unpleasant experiences with the bikers and truckers present.
Then, when the update was made available on this thread and we all got to play that event, the result of all that concern for Sophia's fate was this:

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Today, as then, everyone seems to be very concerned about the L&P teaser due to the fact that it shows the (potentially very dangerous) concomitant presence of our heroine (dressed in an "unseemly" way to meet the neighbourhood bully who is tormenting her) and a group of kids and drifters (who seem to be eagerly waiting for her).
But this is a teaser and (just as a good aperitif should stimulate the appetite while waiting for dinner time) its task should be to tickle our imagination while waiting for the next update and make us formulate hypotheses and conjectures about what we will see in a short while.
Unfortunately, however, this is where our problem arises: the chef takes too long to prepare his delicacies and we, in the spasmodic wait to eat something, do nothing but tell ourselves if and how much we liked the previous course or what we would like to eat in the next one. But if, between courses, instead of cleaning our palate with a few sips of fresh water, we overdo it with the deceptive sparkling wine provided by the house as an aperitif, we risk getting drunk (which is even easier when someone hasn't eaten for a long time) and therefore no longer being able to appreciate the chef's cuisine.
It's fun to fantasize and hypothesize scenarios on the basis of what L&P offers us as teasers, but we must remember that the chosen images are presented not only with the logical intent of spoiling as little as possible the next update, but sometimes also with the clear intention of making us imagine developments (negative or positive as they may be) that, when the game will be updated, we will discover to be totally unfounded. So we shouldn't go overboard with speculation, otherwise we risk, on the basis of images taken out of the narrative context, giving rise to wild theories or, worse still, worrying for no reason as we did with the event of Sam's show at the bikers' bar.
So, based on what we've seen in this event, I think it's safe to expect a similar development for this meeting with Aiden too, at least for one big reason: Aiden doesn't want to give up so soon on the toy he's been enjoying so much lately.
Aiden may be pissed off about losing the bet with Andre (and possibly, if Sophia intervened in Jennifer's defense, he might be too for not being able to enjoy the object of winning said bet), but I don't think he wants to punish Sophia for that reason in a way as brutal as any form of group violence could be. Aiden doesn't want this opportunity to "improve" his reputation as a bad boy (which has been coming to him for a few days now in the form of his teacher/mother of one of his victims) to fade so quickly, and such a rapid escalation of events (with Sophia falling prey to his gang of thugs) would be counterproductive to what I think is the main purpose of his tasks for Sophia: to gain the respect of his peers (be they his classmates or his gang members) through the overpowering of an authority figure like his new teacher. Then, as far as I can tell from Sophia's conversation with the policeman who is informed about Aiden's criminal record (Day 16), the police are just waiting for him to be reported for something more serious than the crimes he has committed so far (beating and blackmailing some loser kid) in order to prepare an investigation that will bring him before a court other than the juvenile courts he has attended so far (and where the good and influential uncle lawyer has been able to dominate). Aiden is well aware of his condition and will therefore have every interest in ensuring that the level of the crimes he’s being investigated for is not raised by an allegation of gang rape.
Aiden is the leader of his gang because (despite being a despicable street rat) he's not stupid, or at least he's the smartest (and above all the most protected and wealthy) of the bullying kids he usually surrounds himself with. Therefore, as a leader, I think he will be able to protect his interests from the eventual lusts of his wingmen and will end up driving away all those who are not involved in this affair (as he already did in the previous meeting in the same place on Day 16) in order to continue discussing his business with Sophia.
Also, from the point of view of the future story unfolding, I think that any particularly traumatizing scenario for Sophia is not in line with the idea of the 12 tasks to be passed (if after the fourth task Sophia is so strongly harassed what would the remaining 8 tasks have in store for her?) and with the original purpose for which these tasks were introduced in the story (see this old post of mine about it).
It remains to be explained why Sophia chose to wear such a sexy outfit to go meet that rat Aiden in the open-air dump he uses as his gang's headquarters.
I have my own theory about that...

Spoiler: *Hic*

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I agree with the point you are making, I think there is a distinction to make for Aiden's meeting though. I wasn't around in the thread for the teasers before v130, so please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong with the following.

In the other teasers it was mostly us here in the thread that started speculations about the event turning "dark" or dangerous "in the name of realism" .
Aiden's 3rd task, when this teaser was released,

we went wild with speculations, up to discussing the risk of rape if Sophia agrees to jump on the motorbike without knowing where they were going. This was then addressed in the game.
Similarly, as you correctly mention, Sam's concert had similar discussions first because of the dress that was not paying justice to Sophia and not suitable for a rock concert, and then the context given by the rock bar teaser and the potential danger situation she might be exposed to, especially in that dress. Again those issues have been addressed in the story either by Sophia's inner thoughts or by the barmaid.
The enigmatic teaser for the bonus scene, the "looming" one, was instead the first in which he was hinting at something possibly "dangerous" or dark happening. In hindsight, it was not really about Sophia but more what happened in that room, which adds a more wicked tone to the blackmail path.

Now, and here is my point (DR;TL! ), this teaser about the meeting had a *potentially* red flag even before it came out. Already during the previous events in 0.155 and 0.160 there are explicit signs:

• at the break when Sophia gets "invited" to his hideout later on
  

  ai "Come to our hang-out place later after school!""Sophia didn't like that at all and wondered what he was up to."
  s "Why?"
  ai "There, you'll learn your next task."
  s "And why can't you just tell me now?"
  ai "'Cause I haven't decided yet. I need some time to think, ya know?"
  ai "It's not that easy considering the variety of possible great tasks for you *grin*!"
  s "*Sigh.* Goddammit! OK, but I'll only come if we're alone there! Without your buddies!"
  ai "Sure."
  "Sophia didn't believe Aiden. She knew he'll probably still have his buddies with him because he's too scared to be alone!"
  "Sophia had a queasy feeling about being alone with his gang again."

  She has a queasy feeling about the meeting as she does not believe they will be alone
  
  
• when she dresses to go to the meeting:
  

   "She got dressed for her meeting with Aiden and thought about it."
  "She didn't have a good feeling."

  again, a bad feeling.
• finally, the sentence that accompanies the teaser "She still has the option to listen to her female intuition and get the hell out of there."

So what I'm trying to say is that *this time* (I don't know if it is the first time, though) our discussions was driven there because we had clues and context from before. Actually the teaser only confirmed what we had already discussed in the aftermath of the previous release when we saw that dress. This time we are explicitly led to think towards darker outcomes.
I don't know if this is a classic distinction without a difference but I think it's worth noting.

That being said, I'm with you on the fact that there will be nothing extreme happening because if anything it will be another step up in the corruption but not a big leap. And probably even the "dress issue" will be somehow addressed (he's reading ) as happened before, we will see how convincingly.

What "worries" me most instead, as I said a post on the other thread, is that if there is any exposure/task in front of the other gang member we *risk* to lose that erotic tension that so far has been the most interesting in this path.
I don't see anything but complete humiliation in exposing her in front of the gang, while in the previous tasks, even if the humiliation component was still there, it was paired with a mixture of the "forbidden" and that subtle "game" of exposing herself but without being explicit: first 2 tasks showing the cleavage and the panties but as an accident, 3rd task exposing herself in front of strangers but under the "protection" of a mask, and again exposing herself in the 4th task as an "accident", both with the whole class and especially with Zac, giving him a show trying to avoid others noticing. That's what creates the erotic tension for the reader/player but also for Sophia herself in doing the tasks. Which is also, IMO, what makes this VN so different than the others in general.

 

[Bill_Buttlicker]

Since this is the start of chapter 2, I think L&P would have done better if he had split the update into 2 parts instead of just doing each event separately. Yeah, it would have taken longer to release, but waiting a bit longer would have been better than getting small events that don't provide much content depending on which route you take.

 

[th3pun1sh3r]

ok nothing towards the dev why split in two parts so ealy in to days in game Just seems odd that he'd split it into parts now, I mean I know the game was getting a bit large but if it's meant to be 30 playable days then why not split it at the end of day 15?

 

[CSK92]

This update was very good it demonstrates that future updates will be very hot I also liked the choices you can ask Don Morello for help and you can also help Jennifer in all this.
"But what really intrigued me was Don Morello's word about an upcoming assignment for Sophia I have a chance. Maybe it's one more visit for your brother Larry and things are a little more sexy maybe even have a conjugal room and things can get out of hand but no sex because it's still a little early maybe a blowjob lol
or maybe Sophia will be given some Mafia tasks as an errand lady or she will start to be part of the Mafia or be a Mafia secretary Don Morello's personal there are many things available for Sophia to do in the Mafia let's wait and see what task this will be. I hope it's something exciting and very hot I really liked Sophia in this desk outfit. It's a perfect match

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Sooo, You like em short and sweet.

 

[Alley_Cat]

Too bad Sophia didn't ask Patricia for help with Aiden. Instead of Don Morello. Sophia should take Patricia to meet Aiden

Except that she did - on day 16. It's Carl and Patricia that are helping Sophia with Aiden if you refuse Aiden's tasks right from the beginning.

 

[Bill_Buttlicker]

Just a fact : Day 19 - from 11 sept. 2020 to 20 nov. 2021 >>>> 435 days of dev
Do you really want one update every 7 months (~217 days) ?
So, you don't play the next updates when it comes out and you resume the game in November.

I meant just for this one since it's the beginning of a new chapter. I'd prefer just to get the entire day released instead of several tiny updates through the year. However, he's shown how slow he can be with entire playable days and I doubt he's going to change in his production speed.

 

[CSK92]

Agree. L&P HAS been guilty of a few howlers (Alyssa's stupid sex machine being one, Dylan jacking off in the yoga shower room scene, another) but going down the route of poor taste and face-palm parody, I hope not.

Ill vehemently disagree here. The Alyssa/Antonio scene is one of the best fap scenes to date. The thought of Sophia/Alyssa together with others is giving me a boner now. Alyssa is probably the hottest women in this game or as close you can get to Sophia.

FYI. Can someone just start an Alyssa stand alone game for me. 2 years between events is way too long.

 

[Poser_Voyeur]

Too bad Sophia didn't ask Patricia for help with Aiden. Instead of Don Morello. Sophia should take Patricia to meet Aiden

I still think there is at least a chance that Patricia is hiding round the corner from the gang hideout, her Desert Eagle locked and loaded!!

 

[ancienregimele]

Agree. L&P HAS been guilty of a few howlers (Alyssa's stupid sex machine being one, Dylan jacking off in the yoga shower room scene, another) but going down the route of poor taste and face-palm parody, I hope not.

Although I quite liked the Antonio scene, I think AWAM is at its' best when it doesn't go directly down the well-worn worn paths. Thinking about it, at least there's an element of 'realism' with the naughty nurse costume that I said looked like it came from a sex products catalogue. That's probably how the two old malingerers spotted & ordered it. There's a question of why on Earth would Sophia wear it for them? Usually these old folk scenarios involve a lost bet, or game forfeit. I assume it must be 'corruption'!

 

[Alley_Cat]

If Patrica were a real idiot
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They have a few animals at the Turner mansion and Patricia being a lady of leisure might have picked up a bit of falconry.

I don't think it'd be that dumb either. I imagine getting attacked by one of them would be rather scary, and even if Aiden stood his ground, I doubt he could come out of it unscathed. And a funny as hell story for Sophia to tell the next school day.

 

[follardo]

The first teaser of the next update has been released by L&P in a post entitled "Here we go again" and, in my opinion, never has the title been more appropriate.
In fact "here we go again" with Sophia once again seeming to have totally misdressed, dressing too sexy to go on her meeting with Aiden to learn the terms of the next task to be performed. But above all "here we go again" with all those posts that fill the pages of this thread, fearing for our heroine at least the repetition of the worst scenarios that so far we have potentially encountered during the game experience: from the humiliation of being forced to undress in front of strangers (already seen in Day 15 with Janitor Clark) to group groping (already seen in Day 12 with the thugs of the subway station).

Spoiler: Day 15 & Day 12

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But how is it possible that out of all the regulars in this thread only I had this dejavu sensation? All this foreboding of catastrophic developments for Sophia's fate filled the pages of this thread already a few months ago.
It was in fact 30 August 2021 and L&P had just published, as the seventh teaser for update 0.150, this post:

View attachment 1781555​

"At the biker bar"
This image (logically) didn't show much of anything (other than Sophia and Patricia arriving at the venue where Sam and his band would be performing), but combined with the fact that Sophia would be wearing (by choice of the L&P Patrons) the infamous boob pocket dress for the occasion,

View attachment 1781557​

was enough to provoke a long series of posts on this thread in which (due to the outfit showing off her goodies) Sophia and her sister were speculated to have some very unpleasant experiences with the bikers and truckers present.
Then, when the update was made available on this thread and we all got to play that event, the result of all that concern for Sophia's fate was this:

View attachment 1781560​

Today, as then, everyone seems to be very concerned about the L&P teaser due to the fact that it shows the (potentially very dangerous) concomitant presence of our heroine (dressed in an "unseemly" way to meet the neighbourhood bully who is tormenting her) and a group of kids and drifters (who seem to be eagerly waiting for her).
But this is a teaser and (just as a good aperitif should stimulate the appetite while waiting for dinner time) its task should be to tickle our imagination while waiting for the next update and make us formulate hypotheses and conjectures about what we will see in a short while.
Unfortunately, however, this is where our problem arises: the chef takes too long to prepare his delicacies and we, in the spasmodic wait to eat something, do nothing but tell ourselves if and how much we liked the previous course or what we would like to eat in the next one. But if, between courses, instead of cleaning our palate with a few sips of fresh water, we overdo it with the deceptive sparkling wine provided by the house as an aperitif, we risk getting drunk (which is even easier when someone hasn't eaten for a long time) and therefore no longer being able to appreciate the chef's cuisine.
It's fun to fantasize and hypothesize scenarios on the basis of what L&P offers us as teasers, but we must remember that the chosen images are presented not only with the logical intent of spoiling as little as possible the next update, but sometimes also with the clear intention of making us imagine developments (negative or positive as they may be) that, when the game will be updated, we will discover to be totally unfounded. So we shouldn't go overboard with speculation, otherwise we risk, on the basis of images taken out of the narrative context, giving rise to wild theories or, worse still, worrying for no reason as we did with the event of Sam's show at the bikers' bar.
So, based on what we've seen in this event, I think it's safe to expect a similar development for this meeting with Aiden too, at least for one big reason: Aiden doesn't want to give up so soon on the toy he's been enjoying so much lately.
Aiden may be pissed off about losing the bet with Andre (and possibly, if Sophia intervened in Jennifer's defense, he might be too for not being able to enjoy the object of winning said bet), but I don't think he wants to punish Sophia for that reason in a way as brutal as any form of group violence could be. Aiden doesn't want this opportunity to "improve" his reputation as a bad boy (which has been coming to him for a few days now in the form of his teacher/mother of one of his victims) to fade so quickly, and such a rapid escalation of events (with Sophia falling prey to his gang of thugs) would be counterproductive to what I think is the main purpose of his tasks for Sophia: to gain the respect of his peers (be they his classmates or his gang members) through the overpowering of an authority figure like his new teacher. Then, as far as I can tell from Sophia's conversation with the policeman who is informed about Aiden's criminal record (Day 16), the police are just waiting for him to be reported for something more serious than the crimes he has committed so far (beating and blackmailing some loser kid) in order to prepare an investigation that will bring him before a court other than the juvenile courts he has attended so far (and where the good and influential uncle lawyer has been able to dominate). Aiden is well aware of his condition and will therefore have every interest in ensuring that the level of the crimes he’s being investigated for is not raised by an allegation of gang rape.
Aiden is the leader of his gang because (despite being a despicable street rat) he's not stupid, or at least he's the smartest (and above all the most protected and wealthy) of the bullying kids he usually surrounds himself with. Therefore, as a leader, I think he will be able to protect his interests from the eventual lusts of his wingmen and will end up driving away all those who are not involved in this affair (as he already did in the previous meeting in the same place on Day 16) in order to continue discussing his business with Sophia.
Also, from the point of view of the future story unfolding, I think that any particularly traumatizing scenario for Sophia is not in line with the idea of the 12 tasks to be passed (if after the fourth task Sophia is so strongly harassed what would the remaining 8 tasks have in store for her?) and with the original purpose for which these tasks were introduced in the story (see this old post of mine about it).
It remains to be explained why Sophia chose to wear such a sexy outfit to go meet that rat Aiden in the open-air dump he uses as his gang's headquarters.
I have my own theory about that...

Spoiler: *Hic*

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Nice Post

I think pepper spray doesn't make much sense. Aiden seems pretty sneaky and he never forced her to do dirty things. Sophia always had the choice to accept or not Aiden's tasks. Aiden has the trump card to to blackmail her by threaten Dylan. So, no need violence to get he wants of her.


About sexy outfit to meet Aiden I have my own theory about that.
Look at this screenshots about Sophia's feelings:

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These screenshots prove that Sophia is having fun with Aiden's tasks. She misses dressing sexy. Sophia gets horny to think about teenagers masturbating thinking about her. She liked posing half-naked in front of 7 teenages and she felt poweful by giving them a big boner. She likes Aiden's cock. Being blackmailed and humiliated by Aiden makes her horny.

The game has been giving reasons too feel logical to see Sophia wearing a sexy outfit to meet Aiden and her teenagers friends.

More things about realism and how to solve Dylan can go further with his mom. Aiden could blackmail Sophia to the point that she has to be naked and tied up blindfolded. And then Aiden call Dylans to swap role.


Sorry my english.

 

[ancienregimele]

Nice Post

I think pepper spray doesn't make much sense. Aiden seems pretty sneaky and he never forced her to do dirty things. Sophia always had the choice to accept or not Aiden's tasks. Aiden has the trump card to to blackmail her by threaten Dylan. So, no need violence to get he wants of her.


About sexy outfit to meet Aiden I have my own theory about that.
Look at this screenshots about Sophia's feelings:

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These screenshots prove that Sophia is having fun with Aiden's tasks. She misses dressing sexy. Sophia gets horny to think about teenagers masturbating thinking about her. She liked posing half-naked in front of 7 teenages and she felt poweful by giving them a big boner. She likes Aiden's cock. Being blackmailed and humiliated by Aiden makes her horny.


The game has been giving reasons too feel logical to see Sophia wearing a sexy outfit to meet Aiden and her teenagers friends.

Sorry my english.

Given the direction that the game/VN has been taken by the Dev, there is sound logic to what you write. It could turn out to be the correct interpretation, having been flagged up several times. So far L&P has crafted a very fine balance between coercion, eroticism & Sophia's partial sexual liberation & even enjoyment of the tasks.

This doesn't work in every instance, however, bearing in mind that she is not an intellectually challenged person but a well-educated, accomplished & sophisticated lady, all factors which have made the task route so entertaining. Turning up to a meeting which she has already correctly surmised will include more than one dangerous person, having inner qualms & dressed in the manner illustrated, is not realism. It just appears to be possibly the stupidest thing she's ever done IMO. I've guessed that she might have received further information &/or a dictat from Aiden but that would surely only serve to make the meeting & it's true purpose appear even more fraught.

Bearing in mind that in San Alejo time only a handful of days have passed since the first mild task, it seems to be a quantum leap to now have the 'real' MC decide to go to the gang's hangout dressed so provocatively, whatever levels the state of her frustration, or awoken desires might be.

If indeed viewers are asked to accept such actions, this will mark, for me, another hammer blow to the concept of realism that was so important in establishing AWAM's position amongst the surfeit of available sex stories in 3D form.

All that we can be virtually certain of, is that the meeting won't be as dramatic as it probably would have been in RL. That is, of course true only of the route with no Don Morello involvement. Fans who opted for Mafia assistance should expect something which is literally "game changing", depending on Morello's men definitely turning up & realism still being important.

 

[Sadowdark]

Nice Post

I think pepper spray doesn't make much sense. Aiden seems pretty sneaky and he never forced her to do dirty things. Sophia always had the choice to accept or not Aiden's tasks. Aiden has the trump card to to blackmail her by threaten Dylan. So, no need violence to get he wants of her.


About sexy outfit to meet Aiden I have my own theory about that.
Look at this screenshots about Sophia's feelings:

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These screenshots prove that Sophia is having fun with Aiden's tasks. She misses dressing sexy. Sophia gets horny to think about teenagers masturbating thinking about her. She liked posing half-naked in front of 7 teenages and she felt poweful by giving them a big boner. She likes Aiden's cock. Being blackmailed and humiliated by Aiden makes her horny.

The game has been giving reasons too feel logical to see Sophia wearing a sexy outfit to meet Aiden and her teenagers friends.

More things about realism and how to solve Dylan can go further with his mom. Aiden could blackmail Sophia to the point that she has to be naked and tied up blindfolded. And then Aiden call Dylans to swap role.
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Sorry my english.

So what does Sophie like Aiden's tasks and humiliation? Somehow I don't buy it. It would be more appropriate that Sophia was excited about the tasks because she had boring and bad sex with her husband and was looking for new sensations.

 

[jamdan]

You can't have complete realism in a game like this. In a perfectly realistic scenario, Sophia wouldn't be doing nearly as much as she has done. Nobody goes from a sheltered housewife to a "filthy wife" in the span of 3 weeks.

As far as Aiden's tasks, I think it makes sense that she will eventually start to like them, but maintain a dislike of Aiden himself. Why? Because her liking her tasks makes her corrupted. And her being corrupted is the entire plot of this game. It's basically a love-hate relationship between her and Aiden.

The same for her outfit, does it make any logical sense for her to dress like that while she is going to meet her blackmailer? Nope. But again, corruption is the plot of the game. Her wearing sluttier outfits makes her more corrupted.

The porn logic and suspension of belief in this game isn't as strong as other games, but it's still there. And we're going to get more of it sooner rather than later.

It's just an issue that slower paced, erotic games have. When you start very low, speeding up can be pretty jarring. That's the stage we're in now.

 

[follardo]

You can't have complete realism in a game like this. In a perfectly realistic scenario, Sophia wouldn't be doing nearly as much as she has done. Nobody goes from a sheltered housewife to a "filthy wife" in the span of 3 weeks.

As far as Aiden's tasks, I think it makes sense that she will eventually start to like them, but maintain a dislike of Aiden himself. Why? Because her liking her tasks makes her corrupted. And her being corrupted is the entire plot of this game. It's basically a love-hate relationship between her and Aiden.

The same for her outfit, does it make any logical sense for her to dress like that while she is going to meet her blackmailer? Nope. But again, corruption is the plot of the game. Her wearing sluttier outfits makes her more corrupted.

The porn logic and suspension of belief in this game isn't as strong as other games, but it's still there. And we're going to get more of it sooner rather than later.

It's just an issue that slower paced, erotic games have. When you start very low, speeding up can be pretty jarring. That's the stage we're in now.

Exactly. It is very difficult to make an attractive erotic novel if there is not some depravity. How can you ask for 100% realism in a 3D erotic visual novel?. I don't think the average user in this forum are looking for that.

 

[ancienregimele]

You can't have complete realism in a game like this. In a perfectly realistic scenario, Sophia wouldn't be doing nearly as much as she has done. Nobody goes from a sheltered housewife to a "filthy wife" in the span of 3 weeks.

As far as Aiden's tasks, I think it makes sense that she will eventually start to like them, but maintain a dislike of Aiden himself. Why? Because her liking her tasks makes her corrupted. And her being corrupted is the entire plot of this game. It's basically a love-hate relationship between her and Aiden.

The same for her outfit, does it make any logical sense for her to dress like that while she is going to meet her blackmailer? Nope. But again, corruption is the plot of the game. Her wearing sluttier outfits makes her more corrupted.

The porn logic and suspension of belief in this game isn't as strong as other games, but it's still there. And we're going to get more of it sooner rather than later.

It's just an issue that slower paced, erotic games have. When you start very low, speeding up can be pretty jarring. That's the stage we're in now.

It isn't an issue of whether complete realism should be available or not. It never was, right from the start, when a suburban housewife with 2 kids acted as though she lived life as part of a strict puritanical order. Necessary compression of events & development is another factor, which was made worse by the restriction to 30 playable days, regardless of the study in slowness that is the actual pace of updates.

Wearing more revealing clothing is almost always a sign in these games/VNs that the protagonist has become more corrupted, or sluttier, depending on definitions. That is also not the issue, although it does, IMO, place AWAM in a less elevated category of tale. As for the tasks, Sophia liked aspects of them from the start, so there's no need for the author to ram home the point, as it's been successfully conveyed every time.

Speeding up is, as you rightly say, jarring but that is also an unavoidable feature of such stories. My issue is not the necessary suspension of disbelief but rather the taking of disbelief, putting it in a tied sack & throwing it in the canal, that from my POV would be Sophia voluntarily going to the meeting dressed for a party, knowing what she knows. This, after all, is not itself one of the tasks.

I've played several corruption games over the years. My preference would be for this one to be better than the others, (although some were enjoyable & I played to the end(s)) & which now doesn't seem to be as rock-solid certain as it once was. Don't get me wrong, I'm well aware that I expected far too much from this VN but I still don't see why it keeps taking incremental steps to becoming standard fare.

 

[follardo]

It isn't an issue of whether complete realism should be available or not. It never was, right from the start, when a suburban housewife with 2 kids acted as though she lived life as part of a strict puritanical order. Necessary compression of events & development is another factor, which was made worse by the restriction to 30 playable days, regardless of the study in slowness that is the actual pace of updates.

Wearing more revealing clothing is almost always a sign in these games/VNs that the protagonist has become more corrupted, or sluttier, depending on definitions. That is also not the issue, although it does, IMO, place AWAM in a less elevated category of tale. As for the tasks, Sophia liked aspects of them from the start, so there's no need for the author to ram home the point, as it's been successfully conveyed every time.

Speeding up is, as you rightly say, jarring but that is also an unavoidable feature of such stories. My issue is not the necessary suspension of disbelief but rather the taking of disbelief, putting it in a tied sack & throwing it in the canal, that from my POV would be Sophia voluntarily going to the meeting dressed for a party, knowing what she knows. This, after all, is not itself one of the tasks.

I've played several corruption games over the years. My preference would be for this one to be better than the others, (although some were enjoyable & I played to the end(s)) & which now doesn't seem to be as rock-solid certain as it once was. Don't get me wrong, I'm well aware that I expected far too much from this VN but I still don't see why it keeps taking incremental steps to becoming standard fare.

I don't understand how for some of the forum the tipping point of Sophia's sanity is the outfit she is going to choose to meet Aiden. As if she hadn't done some crazier stuff before that.

 

[ancienregimele]

I don't understand how for some of the forum the tipping point of Sophia's sanity is the outfit she is going to choose to meet Aiden. As if she hadn't done some crazier stuff before that.

It's because the choice of clothing sends a message to everyone seeing it about who & what you are, or who & what you think you are. Clothing for most people is not an afterthought, despite what they might say. You can't keep that signal in your head, or mask it from other people. Sophia always picks her outfits after due consideration. Attending a meeting with a dangerous gang, who have made it clear that they're not bound by normal codes of behaviour, whose interest in Sophia has been confirmed as sexually motivated, along with the power factor being crystal clear, wearing an outfit that's both sexy & accessible is the epitome of insanity.

At least it would be in RL, unless the message being conveyed was an invitation. This isn't about a woman's, (or a man's), freedom to wear what they choose without being in jeopardy. It's about the above factors. If L&P chooses to do something that makes it all semi-believable we won't know for quite a while yet but I certainly hope he tries.

 

[Alley_Cat]

I don't understand how for some of the forum the tipping point of Sophia's sanity is the outfit she is going to choose to meet Aiden. As if she hadn't done some crazier stuff before that.

The tipping point on the Aiden route from what I can tell is letting Dylan sit on Sophia's lap. It's illegal, dangerous and stupid, considering it's just as easy for Carl to bring another car along.

Accepting Aiden's tasks itself and allowing herself to be coerced by a teenager is stupid. It takes very little discussion with her friends and family to come up with a solution.

At least on the Ellie route the two showering together, the odd behaviour is normalised. Ellie mentions that Christine showers with her Mom, so it's not that odd.

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

The porn logic and suspension of belief in this game isn't as strong as other games, but it's still there. And we're going to get more of it sooner rather than later.

Not to be a bitch, but a minor correction. It's "suspension of disbelief" because you are suspending your mind's urge to disbelieve what you're seeing. So you suspend that urge so that you can go along with the game. If you suspended your belief you wouldn't believe anything.

Ok grammar Nazi time is over.

The challenge isn't so much that realism is being sacrificed, it's that the rules the game established are being ignored. The rules, as they were established, set the expectations of how things would progress. Yes, corruption would make Sophia do things that were impossible at the beginning, but that corruption should fall within the framework of the established rules.

But honestly, I'm kinda over it. A game needs to be fun, and this game with it's painfully slow development, isn't fun anymore. While no one wants a fuckfest, I find myself painting my nails while slowly working my way through the game now. At this point, I'm all for breaking the rules and throwing out all the established world building out if it gets us something that's actually fun. This game takes itself so serious that I just want to yell at L&P to lighten up and have a little fun.