VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.215f] [Lust & Passion]

[tofhdns]

I don't want to defend anyone here but ultimately it is the user who decides how much of this game to let into their head and some have lost their heads. I love this game and the scene with Sophia/Sam was masterful for me and I really enjoyed it. But I have no relationship with L&P and I don't care about his life. He can deliver every day or just once a year, I don't care. My life is good with or without L&P.

Whether the LP milks the sponsors' money is none of your business.
Just because an LP is arrogant and treats their sponsors like slaves and scams them with lies doesn't mean your life is ruined.
There are plenty of porn games like this that are just a few little pictures.

yes?

Many people in the world struggle with things that have nothing to do with themselves.

Men sacrifice their lives for women's rights.
(Although recently, sadly, men have been betrayed but.)
People mourn the death of children who have nothing to do with them.
Some people donate for someone they will never see in their life.

The world changes not because of people like you, but because of people who are different from you.

If LP had held on to the game for 6 years, milk them enough.
Is it too much to ask the LP to stop delaying development and complete the game?
How many games on this site do you think are as old as this one?

It doesn't have to end forever, it doesn't matter if the update period is long, it can milk the sponsors with teasers, and the person who tells you to "turn your attention away from the game".
People who advertise with teasers to recruit more sponsors and demand that the story be plausible.

Who are the real supporters of this game.

Can you counter to the saying that a person who does not keep his promise and finish his job properly is subject to dismissal?
Can you counter the statement that the developer is milking?
Can you counter to the statement that the story is less probable and even the coherence is broken?
Can you counter to the statement that the game is old?

Why are you asking for silence?

I've seen people pretending to be nice but doing nothing and demanding silence from the person next to them. And they do nothing.
At the same time, they only say that they are noisy to those who demand and struggle.

But when things change because of those people, people like you, who demanded silence, are the first to open their hands and shout out.

"give me benefit too."

Always.

Shout out to the developers when you update faster, the story gets polished, and developer get more sponsors.

"The old days were good, let's go back to the old days."

But people like you won't.

Because it's always been like that.

 

[Tkangk]

w the fuck?

 

[Stivler]

what Update Pls. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[roro]

Can you counter to the saying that a person who does not keep his promise and finish his job properly is subject to dismissal?
Can you counter the statement that the developer is milking?
Can you counter to the statement that the story is less probable and even the coherence is broken?
Can you counter to the statement that the game is old?

Those statements can be easily countered.

1. Take almost every politician. Also, what is a promise? Does every statement L&P gives is a promise? If so then you sound like my kids - "but dady, you promised we'll go fishing this sunday" when all I said was maybe. And if by promise you mean the goal tiers, then as far as we can tell he fulfilled them, maybe not to our full satisfaction, but he did (face lift to his rig - twice, quit his side job - probably, otherwise it would have been harder to leave the country, and find helpers - even if you don't believe he has an animations helper, it's obvious he has someone helping with programming and testing, and he has a translator - that's helpers, even if we wanted daz helpers...).
And what about "finish his job properly"? What exactly is, and who decides what's proper? It's subjective - what's proper to my eyes can be improper to your eyes and vice versa. It's each and every Patreon of him to decide whether something is proper.

2. It's not up to me to prove he isn't milking (I can't), but it is up to you to prove he is if you claim he is a milker (unless you know him personally - you can't also). For more information why - read

You must be registered to see the links

. As for why you can't prove it - that's easy. There are many valid answers to the question "why is he so slow" (although there are many slower developers than him, some even earn more money). And if you think he's a milker because he only tease with Sophia, then maybe it's better you read his Patreon page - he said it on day 1 - that's a slow corruption game. He even gave us a roadmap for sex scenes. If you haven't read it - don't blame him.

3. "The story is less probable"? Not in my opinion (the whole promise of an educated character as Sophia having an incest affair(s) is very improbable in my opinion). As for "even the coherence is broken" - it has been already discussed in another post - the story is a work in progress. As long as he'll polish old parts of the VN to be consisted with new parts, I don't see a problem here. whether we like the new changes or not is irrelevant. It's his story to tell and he can change it as much as he want (and as long as the majority of his Patreons are ok with it).

4. "The game is old"? what? why? how is it relevant? If it has enough supporters, and I'll even argue and say - if it has enough fans - than it isn't too old. Interest in this VN is still in the top 10%, so in my definition it isn't old. If someone has a different definition and believe this game is old - good for him. I know what I'll do when this game gets old in my view - I'll just leave it behind, just as I don't play Packman and many other old games anymore.

And just a disclaimer - I don't like L&P's development pace and really wished it was faster.

 

[tofhdns]

Those statements can be easily countered.

1. Take almost every politician. Also, what is a promise? Does every statement L&P gives is a promise? If so then you sound like my kids - "but dady, you promised we'll go fishing this sunday" when all I said was maybe. And if by promise you mean the goal tiers, then as far as we can tell he fulfilled them, maybe not to our full satisfaction, but he did (face lift to his rig - twice, quit his side job - probably, otherwise it would have been harder to leave the country, and find helpers - even if you don't believe he has an animations helper, it's obvious he has someone helping with programming and testing, and he has a translator - that's helpers, even if we wanted daz helpers...).
And what about "finish his job properly"? What exactly is, and who decides what's proper? It's subjective - what's proper to my eyes can be improper to your eyes and vice versa. It's each and every Patreon of him to decide whether something is proper.

2. It's not up to me to prove he isn't milking (I can't), but it is up to you to prove he is if you claim he is a milker (unless you know him personally - you can't also). For more information why - read

You must be registered to see the links

. As for why you can't prove it - that's easy. There are many valid answers to the question "why is he so slow" (although there are many slower developers than him, some even earn more money). And if you think he's a milker because he only tease with Sophia, then maybe it's better you read his Patreon page - he said it on day 1 - that's a slow corruption game. He even gave us a roadmap for sex scenes. If you haven't read it - don't blame him.

3. "The story is less probable"? Not in my opinion (the whole promise of an educated character as Sophia having an incest affair(s) is very improbable in my opinion). As for "even the coherence is broken" - it has been already discussed in another post - the story is a work in progress. As long as he'll polish old parts of the VN to be consisted with new parts, I don't see a problem here. whether we like the new changes or not is irrelevant. It's his story to tell and he can change it as much as he want (and as long as the majority of his Patreons are ok with it).

4. "The game is old"? what? why? how is it relevant? If it has enough supporters, and I'll even argue and say - if it has enough fans - than it isn't too old. Interest in this VN is still in the top 10%, so in my definition it isn't old. If someone has a different definition and believe this game is old - good for him. I know what I'll do when this game gets old in my view - I'll just leave it behind, just as I don't play Packman and many other old games anymore.

And just a disclaimer - I don't like L&P's development pace and really wished it was faster.

When I said "promise" I wasn't talking about someone's satisfaction.
No one expresses satisfaction as a promise.

I can't fire LP.
That's why I don't think it's necessary to explain that the sentence doesn't point to LP, but "example".

Milking isn't about showing off Sophia and threatening for money.
No one writes milking like that.

Taking money little by little while pretending to have something over a long period of time is called milking.
And LP is doing just that.

So far, it has been 6 years, and if the developer announced that it will be completed after 2 years, it will be 8 years. (no one believes.)
In addition, according to the developer, "the game is old", so some of the airplane scenes were replaced.

Do you still say the game isn't old?

And probability of story is a word that comes out because of a magazine.

The developer narrated in the game that Sofia had never worked as a model.




I hope you try harder.

 

[mad_hungarian]

Those statements can be easily countered.

1. Take almost every politician. Also, what is a promise? Does every statement L&P gives is a promise? If so then you sound like my kids - "but dady, you promised we'll go fishing this sunday" when all I said was maybe. And if by promise you mean the goal tiers, then as far as we can tell he fulfilled them, maybe not to our full satisfaction, but he did (face lift to his rig - twice, quit his side job - probably, otherwise it would have been harder to leave the country, and find helpers - even if you don't believe he has an animations helper, it's obvious he has someone helping with programming and testing, and he has a translator - that's helpers, even if we wanted daz helpers...).
And what about "finish his job properly"? What exactly is, and who decides what's proper? It's subjective - what's proper to my eyes can be improper to your eyes and vice versa. It's each and every Patreon of him to decide whether something is proper.

2. It's not up to me to prove he isn't milking (I can't), but it is up to you to prove he is if you claim he is a milker (unless you know him personally - you can't also). For more information why - read

You must be registered to see the links

. As for why you can't prove it - that's easy. There are many valid answers to the question "why is he so slow" (although there are many slower developers than him, some even earn more money). And if you think he's a milker because he only tease with Sophia, then maybe it's better you read his Patreon page - he said it on day 1 - that's a slow corruption game. He even gave us a roadmap for sex scenes. If you haven't read it - don't blame him.

3. "The story is less probable"? Not in my opinion (the whole promise of an educated character as Sophia having an incest affair(s) is very improbable in my opinion). As for "even the coherence is broken" - it has been already discussed in another post - the story is a work in progress. As long as he'll polish old parts of the VN to be consisted with new parts, I don't see a problem here. whether we like the new changes or not is irrelevant. It's his story to tell and he can change it as much as he want (and as long as the majority of his Patreons are ok with it).

4. "The game is old"? what? why? how is it relevant? If it has enough supporters, and I'll even argue and say - if it has enough fans - than it isn't too old. Interest in this VN is still in the top 10%, so in my definition it isn't old. If someone has a different definition and believe this game is old - good for him. I know what I'll do when this game gets old in my view - I'll just leave it behind, just as I don't play Packman and many other old games anymore.

And just a disclaimer - I don't like L&P's development pace and really wished it was faster.

BINGO!

 

[palmtrees89]

The guy developing this game is the biggest parasite out of all his supporters. Guy leeches of popularity in a pirate forum and gets mad when people release his little screenshots full of instagram filters. What an absolute hypocrite. This game is a half ass game with 2017 graphic models, every asset he uses is already outdated and look ugly as hell compared to actual adult games.

I agree with the first part. For the graphics though, one can hardly say that it looks ugly. What you could say is that a bunch of developers are catching up, and there's also quite a few devs out there producing the same quality. Now, my issue is more about L&P saying that he can't possibly work faster without reducing render quality, which that's simply not true.

According to L&P, renders have gotten better since Part02 started, but in reality it's only the excessive use of filters and blur. Without those, his renders would look the same as they did 2 years ago. It's an illusion which causes renders to look more...modern, but the amount of work remains pretty much the same as adding filters and turning up the lighting does not result in more work. It's not like posing, facial expressions, working on clipping of clothing or environment. It's simply filters with certain values added to the render. That does NOT cause a developer to produce 30-40% less renders in a year, but that is exactly what's happening, and it doesn't only apply to Part02 of the game. This has been the case for the past 3+ years, as can be seen looking at the raw numbers. Less renders year after year.

Why? Well, for Part02 some people would argue that it's because of animations, and I tend to agree. Problem is, L&P himself said that animations do not affect his development at all. He's also said that there's some mysterious "animations helper" creating them, and so his workload would remain the same. But then he's also saying that he's got to edit those animations in post, which in itself is contradicting the above statements. In fact, animations have slowed down the development of every single update, which again contradicts above statements.

And so the question remains. Why? Why is it that the development becomes slower year after year? Why is it that L&P constantly manages to contradict himself? Why is he lying for the past 5 years about finding people and ways to increase development speed without it ever happening? Quite the opposite, actually. There's a million question marks to which we'll likely never get a real answer as L&P is guarding this project like Fort Knox.

This game isn't good as his zealots say it to be. It's a 5.6 out of 10 at best. I don't even pay a cent to him and never will. I never understood why people pay him money to do 3D pictures, it's like asking a guy in the street to draw you on a paper some pussy every now and on for 25 bucks. Totally non-sense if you ask me.

I'd give it a 6/10. Gotten worse since Part02 due to event-based releases. Feels very disjointed as we go from one event to another without any in-between imo. The rest of this quote is kinda nonsense, as the game wouldn't exist if it wasn't for the people paying for it. This applies to every major AVN project out there, with some having more support than others. That's just how it works. L&P's Patreon is stagnating for a good year now, so I'd say he's reached his limit of people who don't mind (for now) a ever decreasing development speed.

Unfortunately in his little mind, he thinks this game is better than the ones out there, when we compare hardware, effort, skills, models and etc. His game is average in these days. The only reason I still follow this garbage from time to time, is just to see the act consumation between Dylan and Sophia, I am very likely to lose interest after the first time. He should stop being arrogant, he overvalues himself and his work

Mostly agree here. L&P is full of himself. Sometimes I do wonder if he's the same way IRL, because that must be a pretty darn lonely existence. Anyway, if you want to compare hardware and skills, L&P is way up there. Not many developers have two monster rigs with a total of 4x 3090ti's to work with. His talent for art is also way above the average in the world of AVN's. Saying otherwise would be lying to yourself. Yes, there are other devs on the same level and also a bunch who are catching up, but those are equal in number to some grains of sand on a beach. That's gonna change within the next few years with AI being a thing, though.

Not a fan of the Dylan storyline but if you'll lose interest after Sophia's first sex scene, well, then you're not after a good story anyway. A good game will keep it's players entertained, even after the female MC got her cherry popped. Problem here is more that this hasn't happened in almost 6 years of development, which one would expect from a AVN. But that again comes down to L&P's abysmal development speed and increasingly large single-event updates taking 2+ years for a single PD at this point.

Anyway...Wall of text achieved. Fuck.

 

[Deleted member 4420830]

I agree with the first part. For the graphics though, one can hardly say that it looks ugly. What you could say is that a bunch of developers are catching up, and there's also quite a few devs out there producing the same quality. Now, my issue is more about L&P saying that he can't possibly work faster without reducing render quality, which that's simply not true.

According to L&P, renders have gotten better since Part02 started, but in reality it's only the excessive use of filters and blur. Without those, his renders would look the same as they did 2 years ago. It's an illusion which causes renders to look more...modern, but the amount of work remains pretty much the same as adding filters and turning up the lighting does not result in more work. It's not like posing, facial expressions, working on clipping of clothing or environment. It's simply filters with certain values added to the render. That does NOT cause a developer to produce 30-40% less renders in a year, but that is exactly what's happening, and it doesn't only apply to Part02 of the game. This has been the case for the past 3+ years, as can be seen looking at the raw numbers. Less renders year after year.

Why? Well, for Part02 some people would argue that it's because of animations, and I tend to agree. Problem is, L&P himself said that animations do not affect his development at all. He's also said that there's some mysterious "animations helper" creating them, and so his workload would remain the same. But then he's also saying that he's got to edit those animations in post, which in itself is contradicting the above statements. In fact, animations have slowed down the development of every single update, which again contradicts above statements.

And so the question remains. Why? Why is it that the development becomes slower year after year? Why is it that L&P constantly manages to contradict himself? Why is he lying for the past 5 years about finding people and ways to increase development speed without it ever happening? Quite the opposite, actually. There's a million question marks to which we'll likely never get a real answer as L&P is guarding this project like Fort Knox.


I'd give it a 6/10. Gotten worse since Part02 due to event-based releases. Feels very disjointed as we go from one event to another without any in-between imo. The rest of this quote is kinda nonsense, as the game wouldn't exist if it wasn't for the people paying for it. This applies to every major AVN project out there, with some having more support than others. That's just how it works. L&P's Patreon is stagnating for a good year now, so I'd say he's reached his limit of people who don't mind (for now) a ever decreasing development speed.


Mostly agree here. L&P is full of himself. Sometimes I do wonder if he's the same way IRL, because that must be a pretty darn lonely existence. Anyway, if you want to compare hardware and skills, L&P is way up there. Not many developers have two monster rigs with a total of 4x 3090ti's to work with. His talent for art is also way above the average in the world of AVN's. Saying otherwise would be lying to yourself. Yes, there are other devs on the same level and also a bunch who are catching up, but those are equal in number to some grains of sand on a beach. That's gonna change within the next few years with AI being a thing, though.

Not a fan of the Dylan storyline but if you'll lose interest after Sophia's first sex scene, well, then you're not after a good story anyway. A good game will keep it's players entertained, even after the female MC got her cherry popped. Problem here is more that this hasn't happened in almost 6 years of development, which one would expect from a AVN. But that again comes down to L&P's abysmal development speed and increasingly large single-event updates taking 2+ years for a single PD at this point.

Anyway...Wall of text achieved. Fuck.

4 3090ti? damn, this quality...

 

[Old Dog]

4 3090ti? damn, this quality...

I thimk that may be split between two machines though as you do need a good quality psu

 

[Deleted member 5488877]

Those statements can be easily countered.

1. Take almost every politician. Also, what is a promise? Does every statement L&P gives is a promise? If so then you sound like my kids - "but dady, you promised we'll go fishing this sunday" when all I said was maybe. And if by promise you mean the goal tiers, then as far as we can tell he fulfilled them, maybe not to our full satisfaction, but he did (face lift to his rig - twice, quit his side job - probably, otherwise it would have been harder to leave the country, and find helpers - even if you don't believe he has an animations helper, it's obvious he has someone helping with programming and testing, and he has a translator - that's helpers, even if we wanted daz helpers...).
And what about "finish his job properly"? What exactly is, and who decides what's proper? It's subjective - what's proper to my eyes can be improper to your eyes and vice versa. It's each and every Patreon of him to decide whether something is proper.

2. It's not up to me to prove he isn't milking (I can't), but it is up to you to prove he is if you claim he is a milker (unless you know him personally - you can't also). For more information why - read

You must be registered to see the links

. As for why you can't prove it - that's easy. There are many valid answers to the question "why is he so slow" (although there are many slower developers than him, some even earn more money). And if you think he's a milker because he only tease with Sophia, then maybe it's better you read his Patreon page - he said it on day 1 - that's a slow corruption game. He even gave us a roadmap for sex scenes. If you haven't read it - don't blame him.

3. "The story is less probable"? Not in my opinion (the whole promise of an educated character as Sophia having an incest affair(s) is very improbable in my opinion). As for "even the coherence is broken" - it has been already discussed in another post - the story is a work in progress. As long as he'll polish old parts of the VN to be consisted with new parts, I don't see a problem here. whether we like the new changes or not is irrelevant. It's his story to tell and he can change it as much as he want (and as long as the majority of his Patreons are ok with it).

4. "The game is old"? what? why? how is it relevant? If it has enough supporters, and I'll even argue and say - if it has enough fans - than it isn't too old. Interest in this VN is still in the top 10%, so in my definition it isn't old. If someone has a different definition and believe this game is old - good for him. I know what I'll do when this game gets old in my view - I'll just leave it behind, just as I don't play Packman and many other old games anymore.

And just a disclaimer - I don't like L&P's development pace and really wished it was faster.

He directly lied to me and at least 2 other high tier patreons i know of (with similar questions like mine) just to keep us paying. Not only on patreon, he also replied and lied here on f95 about it. He lied about the anonymous uploaded content, about the main character's inner monologues, about body modifications, and about Sophia's generic corruption or her own accord. Because he is shit-scared he avoids everything dark but makes people believe there is more. He should have went with the Landlady story, because beside the text everything is clean.

 

[Deleted member 4420830]

I thimk that may be split between two machines though as you do need a good quality psu

Poor Doggy only has a 3070

 

[tofhdns]

Gotten worse since Part02 due to event-based releases.
Feels very disjointed as we go from one event to another without any in-between imo.

Not a fan of the Dylan storyline but if you'll lose interest after Sophia's first sex scene, well, then you're not after a good story anyway.
A good game will keep it's players entertained, even after the female MC got her cherry popped.

 

[bayrischman]

the great rat is L&P

 

[Radoslaw Wolf]

 

[hzjujk]

He directly lied to me and at least 2 other high tier patreons i know of (with similar questions like mine) just to keep us paying. Not only on patreon, he also replied and lied here on f95 about it. He lied about the anonymous uploaded content, about the main character's inner monologues, about body modifications, and about Sophia's generic corruption or her own accord. Because he is shit-scared he avoids everything dark but makes people believe there is more. He should have went with the Landlady story, because beside the text everything is clean.

Just out of curiosity - what questions did you ask him that specifically and what did he answer?
Does L&P really discuss the content of the game with high level supporters? That would mean they have more information about the content and future of the story. He certainly didn't just tell them lies.

 

[Serreos]

I lost my phone and my save files.
I want to start the game (part 2) without any save file by using questionnare. How many paths can I get in part 2?
Help me out please.

Phone ?? Play the game on a 50 inch TV.

 

[roro]

When I said "promise" I wasn't talking about someone's satisfaction.
No one expresses satisfaction as a promise.

I can't fire LP.
That's why I don't think it's necessary to explain that the sentence doesn't point to LP, but "example".

Milking isn't about showing off Sophia and threatening for money.
No one writes milking like that.

Taking money little by little while pretending to have something over a long period of time is called milking.
And LP is doing just that.

So far, it has been 6 years, and if the developer announced that it will be completed after 2 years, it will be 8 years. (no one believes.)
In addition, according to the developer, "the game is old", so some of the airplane scenes were replaced.

Do you still say the game isn't old?

And probability of story is a word that comes out because of a magazine.

The developer narrated in the game that Sofia had never worked as a model.




I hope you try harder.

I won't try harder, because there's no need to. It's clear from the quoted text that you never really understood what I was talking about.
Almost all your answers are missing the point. Only the "old" part is somewhere close, but I have already spent a whole paragraph about it, so read it again. The dev is replacing the 1st scene not because it's old, but because it's not within the same standard as most of the renders. By your theory two years from now he would redo scenes he already rendered when the game was 2 years old, just because those scenes will be "old". No way it's going to happen, because scenes he created in 2019 are not less than lets say 95% of the current quality, while the first scenes are way worse.
For the rest - better read my post again.

 

[tofhdns]

I won't try harder, because there's no need to. It's clear from the quoted text that you never really understood what I was talking about.
Almost all your answers are missing the point. Only the "old" part is somewhere close, but I have already spent a whole paragraph about it, so read it again. The dev is replacing the 1st scene not because it's old, but because it's not within the same standard as most of the renders. By your theory two years from now he would redo scenes he already rendered when the game was 2 years old, just because those scenes will be "old". No way it's going to happen, because scenes he created in 2019 are not less than lets say 95% of the current quality, while the first scenes are way worse.
For the rest - better read my post again.

It is already a well-known story in this forum that the video screen in the plane has been changed to the movie Dune.
The reason has already been explained.

If you're going to be useless stubborn, find someone else.

If you change the definition of the word "promise" as you like and play with words, does that change?

I've kindly explained your mistakes, so don't call me if you don't show the same sincerity.
because it's annoying.

 

[roro]

He directly lied to me and at least 2 other high tier patreons i know of (with similar questions like mine) just to keep us paying. Not only on patreon, he also replied and lied here on f95 about it. He lied about the anonymous uploaded content, about the main character's inner monologues, about body modifications, and about Sophia's generic corruption or her own accord. Because he is shit-scared he avoids everything dark but makes people believe there is more. He should have went with the Landlady story, because beside the text everything is clean.

It's not that I don't believe you, but when accusing someone like this (just to keep us paying), you should provide some kind of screenshot or other evidence.

 

[roro]

It is already a well-known story in this forum that the video screen in the plane has been changed to the movie Dune.
The reason has already been explained.

If you're going to be useless stubborn, find someone else.

If you change the definition of the word "promise" as you like and play with words, does that change?

I've kindly explained your mistakes, so don't call me if you don't show the same sincerity.
because it's annoying.

If it annoys you - put me on your ignore list, but I won't ignore your disinformation.

"It is already a well-known story in this forum that the video screen in the plane has been changed to the movie Dune"


And? He can change everything however he likes. It's a work in progress!

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are 5 examples of writers who changed their books after they were published! And this VN isn't finished yet - far from it. You can bet there would be some major changes in the course of 10-20 years.

I didn't change the definition of the word promise, and I'm not playing with words.
If you're so confident he made a promise and didn't keep it - please give us a screenshot of the said promise. Then we can argue if it is a promise and if he intentionally broke it.